Su26?
 

Hi.

It seems Su26 is not available in the game for some reasons... I'm very very very very very disappointed, and so is all aerobatics fans.
IL2 would already be a very good aerobatic simulator without the slow aileron's reactions (cant reach "full aileron position" instantanetly, even on the ground without air resistance, witch is very important for aerobatics). When I watch videos of COD, this problem seems to have disappeared. I also asked to someone who tried it for me: He confirmed.
So no doubt COD could be the best aerobatic simulator. And we were so much happy about it. Then... I learnt it's not flyable :evil:

Will the Su26 be flyable one day with a patch?

im confused i thought this plane was in the sim for the hell of it and to show off the fm but i geuess this post if true it isnt.

I've learnt it from some french guys who have the beta (legal of course). They told me a patch for this beta version removed the Su26 (1 or 2 days ago).

i also don't understand why the Su-26 was not included

neither nobody said nothing about it :evil:

I just heard it's not Oleg's team who decided it. They had to remove it, for some reasons I dont know.

That's why I'm asking here, to know more from them about this problem.

I expect 1C is the culprit here.

I'm betting the SU 26 will be a pay for add on, as is done in Rise of Flight.

If so, and if CoD follows this business model for all new aircraft, then I am out permanently.

Maybe the company that may not be named have made some rudder linkage used in it? ;)

you're forgetting a little something here, El, what are the chances of Sukhoi pulling a Grumman?

Well said...We should get everything free for the next 10 years to come once we have paid a hard earning $50.00 to this money-making minded people at 1C...
And they better fix this expensive game so it will run top shape on my Super-Expensive PC with cutting-edge technology that I have to upgrade with big $$$ every 2 years...:grin:

Salute !

Sharpe, I suppose that is possible, but somehow I doubt it.

Hehe :mrgreen:

if you know a little bit about Il2 history, you'll know why that isn't funny.

And I would like to know more about this Su26 story :rolleyes:

Holy crap! how many $%$&$%^ conspiracy theories can you guy's come up with in one day? I swear this community is like a bunch of teenage girls denied their cellphones.

hahahaha
+1

Also, blitzpig... You seem to be out every time il2 announces something bad. And yet you come back to complain. Why complain about something you aren't going to buy, why not just do us all a favour and find some other game to complain about.

I don't care about paid content , but only if it goes directly to Oleg ect and not UBI Soft , if my money goes into funding for further developments then they can have as much as they want. I'm a happy paid subscriber to iRacing.com - best online motorsport simulator out.

I have to agree with some posters here. This is one game where I don't think I would mind overly much some paid content....as long as they don't go overboard on the pricing or quantity like ROF. I still haven't gotten that one because it is so cost prohibitive. Which is awful since WW1 aerial combat is what got me into CFSes in the first place.

Why not take a long walk off a short pier pal.

OK? And do us all a favor.

I like this bird...

:mad:

That is precisely why I do find it funny. That or I could cry over it, so whats your pick? :)

IMO, that is the plane I was looking forward the most.

Just because the Russians didn't get it,doesn't mean we won't!

my pick will have to wait until march 31st.

I guess having to wait until mid April in the Western Hemisphere is now not such a bad thing.

*sigh*

I just don't want this to turn into the disappointment I had at the release of RoF, that's all I'm on about.

Been looking forward to this for years, and now it just seems to be like sand slipping through our fingers...

It's not about getting things for free, it's about getting a complete package.

If everything is sold separately, there's no common standard in the online community: two years down the line, there's people with all sorts of different flyables that can't fly some online mission because they don't have the necessary aircraft installed.

I'd much rather pay $50 for a 10 aircraft expansion, even if i only use half of them on a regular basis, rather than have the same total price (ie, $5 per plane, 5x10=50) but with the planes sold individually. If i can buy them separately, i'll most probably buy only the 2-3 that i use the most and so will everyone else, which is what causes the multiplayer discrepancies in the long run.

That's what made IL2 successful in multiplayer, most people had similar content in their games and everyone could join everything. Even with mods, there's some standards and versions.

But when a game is cut down in small little pieces you lose all that. Imagine two years from now where the CoD series will have maybe 50 flyables in total, you join a server only to find out that every second or third mission is using aircraft that you haven't installed and so you have nothing to fly, even if you can still see them flown by the AI and other players. Then you have to wait it out or disconnect, join another server, rinse and repeat.

It's cumbersome, annoying and almost classifies as sabotage to the success of multiplayer in the long run. There's a reason that there's more people flying IL2 multiplayer than other newer sims with itemized aircraft installations (from combat ones like RoF, to civilian ones like FSX): if we don't have the same content, we can't really fly in the same scenarios with ease.


Another reason i dislike the piece by piece model is that it forces developers to only focus on flyable stuff, usually starting with the popular hot-rods.
If this had happened with IL2 we wouldn't have all those wonderful "crap" planes today, the Gladiators, Avias and Fokkers, neither would we have so many different ground objects and ground units to select from. All we would have is 20 versions for each popular fighter and pretty much nothing of the rest, compared with what we have now.

That's why a full expansion is always better: it allows the developer to sell the "supporting cast" (ground units, static objects, etc) that bring life to our ingame world along with the flyables that everyone seems to focus on. If on the other hand all they sell is single aircraft, then that's all they will focus on ;)

Hello Blackdog,
They could release 1 plane every 3 months so we can enjoy it till the next one arrives, or wait 1 year and get a "package " of 4...
Either way, you would have to pay...I understand the "problem" that may occur in multiplayer, but at this point, it would only be a question of logistics...Release the new plane when ready , or plan ahead a 1 year developement package that you could also get only when the 4 planes are ready... ...As an exemple,these single new planes could be excluded from multiplayer setups till the final package is available...
BUt If you add to this complexity the fact that 3rd party planes will also be available for COD, well, multiplayer compatibility argument doen't hold anymore...

Salute !

Just got my copy of CoD, have 3,5 hours by now, and I come here just to see what is been told by dev team about the Su-26 question, I'm also an aerobatic guy thaat expected a lot from this simulator, concretely about Su-26.

I was happy to see some images from the betas regarding Su-26, but got disappointed when it's not present.

I did a serch into simulator folders, and I see there is still a Su-26 thumbnail, but no skin folder.

Aerobatic family wants an official response from dev team about Su-26, remember our aerobatic message from Spain! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxSLNJIoQIU


PD: everything else in the simulator is outstanding, once well configurated :)

+1

I really love aerobatics, was looking forward to do stuff in the SU26 that cannot be done in IL2 or in heavy old warbirds.

But it's a modern competition aerobatic aircraft....not exactly relevant to the Battle of britain.......I can live without it, I can always fly fsx if I want to go fly anything modern and civilian........or is that just too preposterous an idea?

the problem.

the problem is that the SU26 was plan to the people who like to do acrobatic fly. because il2 had is a good simulator... FSX excuse me is more an environnemental sim... but the question is not here.

the fact is why get out this plane out of the game? problem of modelisation ok... but if it is to sell it separatly it is a shame!

with il2 sturmovik..we had pay addons with map, news planes etc;.. it is a good thing.

if now we must buy plane like ROF.. .lot of people will get out of this sims. the SU26 was plan in the release.... not like an addon. it was an ask of community.

i just hope that the fact that SU26 will be external plane byable is just a rumor.

My guess is, that it was removed, because anyone enough skilled would find out there are serious flaws in the flight model... ;) - just my opinion, don't jump on me...

Btw... if they will go the way of ROF, it is their sudden death...

Hi,

we do not know the real reason yet, but I am personally really affraid, that this might be a legal issue and that Suchoj asked OM to remove Su26.

Su26 family of aircraft is still in production and I can imagine Olegs virtual model of this type being so perfect (do you remember Luthier metioning for example that the COD engines simulation is simulation within simulation?), that someone at Suchoj company might consider that there is a lot of sensitive data inside, being released to public (well encoded, but still ...).

I hope that this is only construction of my vivid imagination and that I am completely, utterly wrong.. :(.

O.

+ 1.

in your oppinion what exactly are those flaws?

Well, surely, dev tem is very busy with other aspects of the simulator like performance, we know, no problem, we just wait, but please, just an official word about what happened with Su-26 and which plans has 1C for it might be nice.

Just that, we'll wait. :)

There is no exact evidence as there is not a plane like Su-26, where you can compare... how many people can fly in real Spit, Hurri or Bf? One from million? How many people can fly in Su-26?

The missing Su-26 is almost certainly a licensing issue.

Tiger Moth is still in flight, there's a possible pilot comparison. As far as I remember, it is one of the planes you can fly in Duxford airshow if you pay some money... but of course I seriously doubt that the pilot would leave the controls to anybody ;)

That would be terrible... :(

Let's wait for an official confirm...

in 2001 that is exactly what I was doing, I was taking fare paying customers for rides in the Tiger Moth and letting them have a go, the thing is the original DeHaviland company does not exist any more so it doesn't matter that there are tigers flying, there is no manufacturers licensing issue to worry about.

Do you fly Tiger Moths? I'm gealous about that! :) Won't you feel interesting to comment in a new post about FM's behaviour in CoD in respect to reality? Would be nice to hear yout thougths on that subject...


Apart of that, Messerschmitt is still existing into MBB/Eurocopter/EADS I think, and Hawker into BaE, or somewhat like that. Legal issues could come from any rights owner, not only Sukhoi. Anyway there are Sukhois in Il-2.. Su-2 at least :)

The Junkers case is different, they build home heaters by now. ;)

but there are no WW2 aircraft in production, restoring them to fly is not the same, the Su26 is still a production aircraft.

I am waiting for the patch so I can play well enough to be able to say anything

Why would you be out permanently? I bought Rise of Flight when it came out and each time they release an addon plane that has to be payed for, I look forward. I think that kind of business model keeps you interested in the first place and you don't have to wait years to get new content. Actually, that's a concern I have for this sim, it needs to be uptimised and I'm sure it will but what about new planes in new area's? it can last years before we'll be flying a P51 over germany or shooting Zero's with a P40.

~S~

yep, with IL2 it was kind of modular, FB, PF etc before it was all rolled into one with 1946, I bought the lot

I dont understand this why whining about 1 SINGLE airplane? Did you noticed that there are ALOT airplanes missing like : FW190, P51, P47, LAGG3 and so on and so on ...

but i agree aswell if they go with some kind of PAY for Airplane addon iam definetly out of IL2COD and not only me. I see alot ppl will jump off if they have to pay for more content !

Ilya said on russian forums that SU-26 WILL be available in some special edition of the game.

probably because they didn't participate in the Battle of britain

exactly... FW190 P51 P47 Etc... don't make the BOB. the SU26 neither but it was in the game during devlopement because community of acrobatic flyer ask an acrobatic plane...

and 2 days before release...the SU26 is out of game... we can ask why.

FW190 , P51, P47, etc...was not in the game and not even plan (happilly..... americans was still looking europe fight alone and be eat by german)

ouch...some SPECIAL edition? you mean like a bonus? if i understand well... the other with single edition of game...or COLLECTOR will have to pay for it. or i'm wrong?


mode ironic = on

ho yes! the SU26 will be release in special edition...in fact the final version of game...now we have the beta :) hum...alpha in fact! :D

mode ironic = off

It would be far nicer to see this aircraft in CoD than the Su which is as fitting as a Leopard tank in a Medieval Total War game.
http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-conten...16_he59_00.jpg
http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/q...e-59C-2_02.jpg
more seen here http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/storm-of-...s-januar-2009/
But I guess planes that where involved in the real BoB are no so important to the game as some modern planes, that give so much to CoD?
That plane is as neccesary as that Spitfire marked as "Heartbreaker" :rolleyes:

Probably, somwhere you must have gotten the point that we were referring to future addons.

~S~

Honestly no I didn't, all I saw was you saying these were missing from the game, if I am yet again being completely wrong and have caused someone some form of upset I am sorry (I get that feeling when the reply is about getting the point)

Why do you guys go on speculating about all this conspiracy theories?

If i remember corectly, during the show in Moskow, the Su26 didn't have any gauges working. We all know what happened in the last few months, with the unforeseen antiepilepsy filter thing, thrown in their lap.

I'm pretty sure they didn't have any time to get it done and tested. It is not vital for the game at release so it can wait until they get the game actually working right.
Just my 2 cents.

I just hope you are right and that's the only problem :)

hi everyone!

someone here to bet with me that the Su-26 will be released with other featured airplanes as an payware special package? (COD "Oleg Maddox Spécial edition" could be a good name ) :grin:

see you in the virtual skies

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I'm not betting, as there's a high probability to actually happen.

Yet, if IL2 CoD will follow RoF path, asking you to pay, even if only 2 USD (it's 8 USD for RoF) for each new flayable airplane/cockpit, I think I'll never buy anything else from them.

I'm willing to pay around 15-20 euro for an addon at each 6-12 months, but it will need to contain at least 20 new flyable planes, beside game code improvements. Otherwise, it's just rip-off and it is not for me.

Do you even realize how much it costs to model a plane to the level present in this sim? I know a simple single engine plane in Il-2 was around $2000-$3000$.

For this sim, I'm expectin the models alone to cost around 5000 euros. Twenty planes will cost around eighty to a hundred thousand euros.
Who on earth, in this day, will do all that and sell it for 15 bucks?

....And do all that in six to 12 months.:rolleyes:

Do you even realize what your expectations are?
It would be awesome to be able to buy as complicated planes, as they are in this game, for the price they sell simple byplanes in ROF, but they can't.
WW2 planes are significantly more complicated and complex.

The problem with single plane add ons, as RoF does it, is lack of context.

OK here is a new 1942 plane, enjoy!! The problem is you just introduced a single 1942 plane into a 1940 or '41 plane set, and have no added maps, objects, etc... to make it's use appropriate.

Oleg's method of a major addon, with maps, objects, a few aircraft, is a much better approach.

Ditto. It's not about the money, i feel perfectly fine paying $30-$50 per add-on just like it was with the previous IL-2 series.

I think I know better than you, sir, I am working in game development industry, as lead game designer and senior producer.

An IL2 CoD model should be around 2-3 weeks of work for the exterior model, and 4-6 weeks of work for the interior with a single modeler. which mean it should cost them between 1500 and 2000 euro with the wadges from Russia for a flyable plane. 20 planes let's say 50k euro.

Selling them as an addon with 15-20 euro means you need around 3300 customers to pay for the modelers. And I'm sure they would sell it to more than 5000 customers.

I will certainly buy any extra WWII aircraft to enhance the game, or any other expansion to the planeset, but I'm not fussed at all about an Su-26 if it ever appears.

So why don't you do it?

I'll be your first customer. 20 euro for 20 planes. That's paying an euro per plane.
Think about this. ROF is selling, straight to the customers, without any kind of middle man, a ww1 simple aircraft, with 3-5 gauges and 4 levers in the pit, no clickable cockpits, for seven bucks a plane.
If you think you can make significantly more complex ww2 aircraft, for Cliffs of Dover, to the quality levels present in the game, for an euro per plane, I'll be your customer for life.

Don't give them any Ideas, geez, now they're going to say exactly that

and don't get me started with "Heartbreaker", the girl option should've been a Pilot configuration for all single seat fighter planes and crew member for multi-seat, or at least make that plane not selectable at all unless in campaign

as for patches and payed addons

I think it'll go like this

Patch X.XX
Bf-109G-6 model and cockpit
Bf-109G-6AS model
Bf-109G-10 model

pay addon
Bf-109G-6AS cockpit
Bf-109G-10 cockpit

You'll need to be up to date with patches to be online and seamlessly enforced thru steam, so the new patches will add new flyables and the models for payed addons planes without their cockpits

The level of speculation is getting out of hand, if you don't have info, you make it?
This huge sim isn't even worldwide release, have some break!

+1

Actually, IIRC Oleg said it takes about 3-6 months to model a plane completely.

Aren't there enough problems to worry about without making them up? What a freaking crew of sniveling idiots. I have to wonder at myself for wasting the time to read this crap, yet I still do......

That's not a nice way to talk about young, immature, pallid, pimply faced teenagers B.A. they'll grow out of it in time, we did.
You should show a little more tolerance.;)
cheers.