777 Studios wishes COD best of luck on their launch!
 

Hey guys,

First, anyone posting anything about COD who may or may not have a loose affilaition (mod or beta tester) with us does do so on their own accord and their opinion is just that, their opinion, not that of 777 Studios or it's employees. Nor have they been encouraged to do post anything about COD anywhere.

Personally, I don't understand the weird competition on the forums between ROF and COD. It's baffling to me and wasn't like this in the old days. Ilya is my friend and we just recently had dinner together in Moscow (see this article for a pic) and both companies face the same challenges so it's pointless to do anything other than enjoy this hobby and make our products in the spirit of friendly competition. Everyone benefits as result. And I assume the feeling goes both ways.

I and others on my team got our start in the IL-2 universe so we have no ill will towards this franchise and appreciate all this franchise and the people behind it has done for the genre.

777 Studios and the Rise of Flight Team wishes Cliffs of Dover great success as it only helps the genre as a whole.

Regards,
Jason Williams
President
777 Studios

This the behavior i would have expected... *meant positive!*:)

Winger

Thank you for the clarification Jason.

It's a pity that such action was needed.

So the videos posted on youtube by Vaal87 are really from your area? Are they beta status or ingame videos from the official release?

That's very gracious of you Jason. I would have thought that any developer making flight sims (or any sim) in this day and age should be keeping open and positive relationships with fellow developers. This genre of gaming is too small to try and knock off each other.

Personally I love all flight sims, ROF, IL-2, FSX, Falcon 4 etc etc. The more the merrier I say.

Well handled, thanks for that!

They are not from "Us" they were just some early vids that we're out there which apparently popped up on a Russian forum. I have no idea where they came from only that it appeared to come from an ROF fan and I can't even confirm that much.

I only know some COD fans took offense and contacted me. No official 777 Studios employee has anything to do with anything posted about COD.

Anyways, I refer to my post above.

Jason

Thats the point they are not from his "area"...

Thanks Jason!

I also want to say that it's baffling to me that the community is split up into camps - RoF here, Birds of Prey there, BoB there. Flight sim fans are a very tiny community now, and fragmenting and wishing each other harm is completely insane.

I see no reason why enjoying product A should prevent you from enjoying product B. We're not in a competition. On the contrary, we need each other to keep the genre alive.

The fact is, it's just a few morons on all sides that are stirring things up for the rest of us. I'm sure 99% of the rest of the community has no ill feelings towards each other. We just need to learn to ignore the trolls and work hard to keep them out.

Well said Jason.ROF looks like a well developed and complex sim which I will buy pretty soon regardless of how much I will like/dislike COD.Its good to have you around and knowing how you feel about the whole genre.And thanks for the clarifications...I told you guys those videos looked fishy :D

@ Luthier:

Did you really use the old '46 sounds for the new one?

QFT!!!!!:grin:

Have preordered mine on STEAM, cant wait for the 19th april to play it!!!!
Gj guys

Of course not. Actually, the only old sample that made it into Bob is the the "click" sound of operating a cockpit switch.

Engine sounds were all recorded fresh this summer.

If people persist, we can post old and new samples side by side.

The whole thing has left me speechless. If you have three people you can start a war!
I loved IL2, I love RoF and I'm sure I'll love CoD!

Yes, please. So the sound of the Bf-109 in the Vaal87 youtube videos this thread is actually about are not the ones that are in the game? (hopefully)

I choose to trust Luthier, but you will almost have to post a sample just to calm us all down a bit... My heart skipped a beat when I heard that old '109 engine sound. ;)

But well, eagerly awaiting some real gameplay videos from the finished game!

i don't know what people were expecting, but i quite like the sound from what i have heard,
good job guys, looking forward to getting my hands on it!

Craig

Well, I bought RoF on the release day like I will do with CoD - and I have every RoF plane in my Hangar and will keep it that way when more arrive :)

One thing to remember though is that RoF was rather buggy to when released - and there was no use pointing finger at that. I for sure kept quiet about it even though it hurt as we could all see the potential. For me it was in version 1.08 (long time ago) that I really felt that it was showing all of it's potential. As it is now it is a great game, even though my rig is unfortunately too old for it. Have been waiting to upgrade for CoD so I have my finger on the order button for a new rig now :) I remember doing the same for IL2 on the first release and I remember it ran great on my blistering fast Geforce 2 Ultra :)

So, there will probably be a lot of bugs in CoD and they will in the same way as for RoF be squashed - be sure! Pointing finger at them on the pre release day before even applying the first patch will do the community no good!

It sure will require top notch hardware just as IL2 did and RoF, that is just the way it works in the most demanding of genres... I can imagine that the guys at SpeedTree have been working hard to get zillions of trees working at the same time from 5000 meters over Dover. It's easy to say "they look great in Call of Duty so why not in CoD?". They show a couple of hundred in one frame though at maximum...

Cockpit clicks eh...hmmm. I thought this was supposed to be a NEW sim!!!

Just kidding!
Congratulations on you release.
I am celebrating it myself (no work tomorrow) :-).

Take a long holiday guys. You deserve it!
Deal with any queries when (if) you get back :-).

Yep, we are all in the same boat and we all love the same game genre: flight simulations.
The only thing I can do, is to thank every developper who creates realistic flight simulations.
What would we do without you? (certainly not play CFS ;) )

Good luck to all for the future!

Umm the sounds in BoB are quite different from those in Il-2, but I doubt Vaal actually edited the videos and changed the sounds so you probably are hearing sounds from BoB.

We couldn't record a real DB 601 though. We recorded some similar Russian engines, as we did for the original Il-2, which is why they probably sound similar. I just watched a couple of Vaal videos and launched Il-2 alongside. The Emil in Il-2 sounds a lot different.

Just a video of a 109 from inside and a fly-by would do.

thanks Luthier.

I own ROF and all of the IL-2 series. (Also Wings of Prey).

I'll be buying CLOD when it is released in US...though I hate that particular increasingly seen acronym.

It's good to see friendly professional relations between Jason and Ilya, specifically, and the ROF Team and IL2 Team generally.

To the maximum extent possible, I set up my programmable Key and Button controls the same for both Sims, as that facilitates going back and forth between them. I only have to adjust for the different tactics and 'speed' of the two eras, WWI and WWII.

I think cross-fertilization of ideas and techniques can only improve Flight Sim products and success, and enhance profitability for all concerned. It's not a "Zero Sum" game, as they say.


It's all good!

Which IL-2 sounds different to Vaal's videos? Cliffs of Dover or '46?

A video with outside and inside sound would do it all for us thousands worrying about the sound in these videos.

Please let's not turn Jason's good luck thread into a sound cluster*

Start a new thread?

IL2 + RoF = BFFs forever, OK? I mean it!

LOL.

Jason

People who fly ouside the cockpit SHOULD have old sounds as your not a real simmer!! real sounds for in pit only!!!

Jason hasnt said yet if hes buyin CoD yet hummm...

Yeah, planes flying past your position don't have sound ... in your dreams maybe.

Luthier, your offer is highly accepted. Please give us this side by side comparison.

Ahh so your a wonder woman flyer ehh

Back to topic:

Nice post Jason. Ipurchased and have being flying IL-2 from the very beginning, have purchased and fly usually ROF and have booked and will fly a Collector's Edition ClOD. Not a point of competence between them, they are just complementary!. One only needs to love Aviation and enjoy !

Guys please dont hijack this thread, argue elsewhere, this is meant to show unity between RoF and CLOD.

This community can't keep a thread on-topic to save their life. :rolleyes:

Other than that, I can only echo Jason and Ilya's sentiments.

Aww... Sweet! :D

You know I've been putting off buying 'Rise of Flight' for months now, but seeing this heart-warming show of unity from them has got me to go out and order RoF tonight!

Nice thread Jason!

Soon to be very spoilt for choice virtual pilot, :grin:
BobTuck.

Salute

Glad to see Jason posting here.

I hope everyone who is interested in seeing a vibrant flight sim hobby thinks carefully and realizes that creating these programs is very expensive and demanding, and doesn't return a lot on the investment.

So before anyone tries to start up a "this versus that" flamewar, they should realize it is in everyone's interest to support ANY flight sim which comes out.

I have bought every single flight sim which has been published in the past 15 years, and will be purchasing any new one which comes out. (in fact I buy multiple copies of the sims which I am particularly impressed with)

Some of the flight sims which are published are more successful, others less, but without our support, there will be very little reason for the designers and developers to risk their time and investment.

And if no one is willing to take the risk, we will have no hobby.

When I consider the huge number of hours of enjoyment I have gotten from IL-2 and RoF, (and many other sims) and I divide those hours to the cost of the sims, they are the best bargain to be had in the entertainment field... compare the dollar value per hour to any other entertainment, film, TV rental, dining out, beer.... ;) etc. etc. and you realize flight sims are a huge bargain.

Think about it.

when u will fire Viks and Vaal , two arrogants?

now Im goin to puke..and play COD...7 days more...

@Luthier - dont worry about crappy sounds in COD...somebody will mod them as they did in original......

Turdi please grow up. Seriously.

This forum is heading for idiocy very quickly. I never believed the wild theories about the sound...

But the truth!: The click noise - I always hated the click noise - it isn't the same as the menu one is it? Out of all the noises to keep...

(Absolutely serious btw. ;) )

Un freaking believable. It's amazing just how much some in this community lack imagination.

I was actually hoping that 777 would be publishing CoD instead of UBI.. Jason is a simmer... and it would have been done right.

Class act as usual Jason.. I never understood that nonsense either... it's like comparing it's like comparing apples & oranges..

Not even aware of friction between the two camps or even if there are two camps. Have been enjoying RoF for months and have downloaded all the extras as well. Will be there for the digital download of CoD and IL-2 will never die :grin:

I don't mind apples, but I'll only eat very sweet oranges. Positively hate them when they are sour :yuk



:)

Well said Jason, I will certainly be supporting both these sims and A10, we really need to stick together if we want to see these products fully developed.

Seriously how lame is to point only "bugs" and whats "bad" in COD just to make "harm" to another sim....and that is from moderator and beta tester of ROF...he did this on ROF forum also btw (before COD launch).....just because he is a die hard ROF fan. I have nothing but contempt for them. I didnt behave childish btw. Enough on this I already spent too much of my time on them.

i think it is a bit disingenuous to be posting a congratulation message from another game distributor if in that same post when they link to promotional material aimed at their own game (the first shots are from his happy trip to moscow for RoF, a brief blurb with a photo of having dinner with luthier, and then 5 pages of advertising about RoF)

luthier doesnt seem to notice it

Little niche market/Huge amount of room for both titles. ~S~ Jason, really glad there are ties of friendship between the two best flight sims out there.

Nice words Jason. I like your thinking. As flightsimm lover I buy every quality product and think that they don't exclude between each other.

+1

If anybody hasn't bought ROF buy it, it is amazing.

COD looks superb, I for one will not be on here moaning about anything, I will be flying, well wiggling my joystick.

Yes, that had crossed my mind after buying and enjoying RoF. 777 Studios have been doing a great job. With the lack of availability of hard copies of CoD at launch, the staggered release dates, steam questions, this filter business thats now emerging and the general air of chaos surrounding the launch generally it's difficult to understand what UbiSoft brings to the table with all this.

777 have shown themselves to be excellent publishers and enthusiasts. Ubi are, well Ubi.
I think they have done fairly well overall with IL2 but I can't help remembering what they did with LockOn.

That would've been an excellent move, however i assume they're still stuck with Ubi due to previous contracts/agreements.

Tvrdi, do not judge for yourself :)
neither Vaal or Viks is arrogant.
and for firing Vaal must be hired :)
now all that he is doing for rof-project - he's doing for free.

Vaal posted not only bug-videos.
and why he must not to post bugs???
bugs is present. a lot. people have a right to know this.

Thank you Jason and Ilya.
Vaal's attitude was narow minded childish and silly. He can't see the big picture.
Flight simming is a small niche and both design teams are facing the same challenges. How narow minded do you have to be, to think you are helping one game by bashing the other, when the lead developers of both games are good friends.:rolleyes:


This is the big picture:

http://www.777studios.net/Screenshot...Ilya_SimHQ.jpg

There's plenty room on my computer for ROF, Il-2, COD , DCS, etc.
:mrgreen:

Guys,

Thanks for the kind words! 1C Mods feel free to lock this thread before any more issues erupt. I have said my bit and my original statement at the beginning still stands.

This isn't my forum so I'll leave now.

See you all in the virtual skies!

Jason