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nearmiss 03-21-2011 12:07 PM

Spill your coffee, or tea what have you
 
This will make you spill your coffee, or tea what-have-you.

Darned awesome video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyYK9oz9Go

Sternjaeger 03-21-2011 12:34 PM

lol I love the fact that the narrator delivers the dump n burn like some sort of special feature

nearmiss 03-21-2011 12:38 PM

The fun part to me was the matter of factness of the commanding officer in his closing remarks.

All in a days work lads... LOL

Sternjaeger 03-21-2011 12:41 PM

I still don't get why the used the arrestor hook, if anything it helped slamming the plane on the tarmac more than let it gently glide and stop and well done to the guy who ran away without helping his colleague..

recoilfx 03-21-2011 12:55 PM

Perhaps they didn't want it to slide so much that the fuel catches on fire.

Sternjaeger 03-21-2011 02:07 PM

naaaah, as any good pilot they don't have the faintest idea of what they're talking about... the times of the highly flammable JP-4 are long gone, JP-8 is not like piston engines avgas, it has a flash point of 46 °C (or 100 °F), it's pretty much like diesel, it takes some good effort to light up. The most intelligent approach would have been to flood the runway with fire retardant and let the big bird sit on it as gently as possible: as soon as it's down on its own weight, the thing will stop quite quickly anyway,then you can release the arrestor hook if need be, cos the arrestor cables are at the extremities of the runway.. I just found it a pretty awkward emergency landing procedure, but if the Ozs are happy with it.. :rolleyes:

Sven 03-21-2011 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by recoilfx (Post 236877)
Perhaps they didn't want it to slide so much that the fuel catches on fire.

or slide off the runway, anyway amazing work from the pilot.

JG53Frankyboy 03-21-2011 02:42 PM

was this F-111 was made flyable again by the RAAF ?

pitty the F-111 is nowadays out of service :(

EDIT: found it, it never flew again->
"The other aircraft was retired in 2006 after suffering damage from landing on its belly after one of its main wheels separated during take off; although the aircraft was repairable it was judged not worthwhile doing so due to the impending retirement of the entire F-111 fleet"

Sternjaeger 03-21-2011 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven (Post 236917)
or slide off the runway, anyway amazing work from the pilot.

hardly, those things are heavy,coming down at full flap means they're touching down at 130-140kts IAS, you will soon stop in half runway. The use of arrestor hooks is more understandable in case of a high speed landing (i.e. hydraulic failure and no flaps/airbrakes)when u come down at 300kts and u need to slow the thing down properly and above all to keep it aligned with the runway. It was a redundant manouvre, and if anything they risked to crack the fuselage open with such a hard slam on the runway other than injure the crew. But hey, that's the fun of it, as we say:"any landing you can walk away from is a good one" and judging from how fast they ran out of the thing, that must have been a damn good one indeed ;)

PeterPanPan 03-21-2011 03:28 PM

Awesome vid, thanks nearmiss.

The one below is equally gripping. Very, very cool pilot makes a great forced landing. All the better for us as it was recorded from his helmet cam in excellent quality with ATC audio too.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=552_1297792559&p=1

PPanPan

Letum 03-21-2011 03:42 PM

nice moustache

Coen020 03-21-2011 05:39 PM

you've got fancy planes and ugly planes, ugly planes often being still cool looking. But this thing is just horror. Weird nose, no real logical form. just plain ugly.


btw peterpanpan, your vid isn't working. atleast for me it isnt.

Nice catch.

Sven 03-21-2011 06:36 PM

Blasphemy, there is no such thing as an ugly plane, only ugly faces of the pilots who fly it.:grin:

PeterPanPan 03-21-2011 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coen020 (Post 236971)

btw peterpanpan, your vid isn't working. atleast for me it isnt.

Nice catch.

yeah, I see that now, thanks. For some reason the 'embed' doesn't work. Just click on the link in the top of the video window and you can then watch it.

Heliocon 03-22-2011 03:58 AM

I didnt get the arrestor hook either, like said if they are coming down slow you would think they would want to ease the plane onto the tarmac instead of losing airspeed fast with the hook and bellyflopping. I mean thats australia and in the summer I wouldnt be surprised to see the tarmac being able to cook an egg on.

Also why didnt they dump their fuel before the landing? Isnt that standard procedure for emergency landings?

Tiger27 03-22-2011 04:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heliocon (Post 237166)
I didnt get the arrestor hook either, like said if they are coming down slow you would think they would want to ease the plane onto the tarmac instead of losing airspeed fast with the hook and bellyflopping. I mean thats australia and in the summer I wouldnt be surprised to see the tarmac being able to cook an egg on.

Also why didnt they dump their fuel before the landing? Isnt that standard procedure for emergency landings?

That's why they needed the arrestor hook, it was stinking hot and there were a couple of slabs of beer in the fridge, and the crew didn't want too miss out by landing at the other end of the runway, this also explains why one of the crew jumped out leaving his mate behind ;)

Sternjaeger 03-22-2011 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sven (Post 236996)
Blasphemy, there is no such thing as an ugly plane, only ugly faces of the pilots who fly it.:grin:

*cough cough*

http://aerovideos.com/images/photosPage/transavia.jpg

Sternjaeger 03-22-2011 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger27 (Post 237172)
That's why they needed the arrestor hook, it was stinking hot and there were a couple of slabs of beer in the fridge, and the crew didn't want too miss out by landing at the other end of the runway, this also explains why one of the crew jumped out leaving his mate behind ;)

yep, here's a pic of the ATC tower

http://www.thedrum.co.uk/pub/files/p...in.fosters.JPG

xnomad 03-22-2011 09:07 AM

That bit at the beginning when they fly over the coast very low reminds me of when I was surfing in the middle of nowhere and an F/A-18 did the same to me. Scared the living crap out of me!

Coen020 03-22-2011 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 237190)

i still think that thing looks better then the f-111.

Skoshi Tiger 03-22-2011 12:29 PM

The hook must be a fairly standard procedure for emergency landings where fitted. The F-111G isn't a naval aircraft yet it still has a hook. Back when we operated Phantom II's hooks were used used during emergency landings and most of our big RAAF bases have arrestor cable systems.

I guess that using it is to stop the plane in the shortest amount of time. Ejection from an F-111 is to be avoided if possible. From memory it almost always causes back injuries to the pilot and navigator.

Anyway they are the experts so they should know what they're doing!


Cheers

nearmiss 03-22-2011 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coen020 (Post 237271)
i still think that thing looks better then the f-111.

I is double decker and also doubles as a clothes washing machine.

As has a can opener built in.

Multipurpose appliance.

Triggaaar 03-22-2011 02:19 PM

Good video to watch the landing. Pilot's fly bys and 2 attempts to land looked very good, but the comments along with the story were a bit weird.

If they were worried about the 3000 litres of fuel exploding, why not fly about until it ran low? Perhaps because they weren't worried. And given that landing it on its belly meant it would never fly again, why bother landing it at all if it put the pilots in danger - they could have just ejected. Again, presumably because it wasn't that dangerous (or they don't value the life of their pilots).

JG53Frankyboy 03-22-2011 03:10 PM

perhaps the RAAF didnt trust the F-111 ejection system for 100% ? you know, the whole cockpit is ejected in this plane.

and sure, the fuel should be no proplem at all, as all the flightshows are showing when the F-111 are "burning" their fuel... there is an emergency releaese for fuel.

Heliocon 03-22-2011 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triggaaar (Post 237320)
Good video to watch the landing. Pilot's fly bys and 2 attempts to land looked very good, but the comments along with the story were a bit weird.

If they were worried about the 3000 litres of fuel exploding, why not fly about until it ran low? Perhaps because they weren't worried. And given that landing it on its belly meant it would never fly again, why bother landing it at all if it put the pilots in danger - they could have just ejected. Again, presumably because it wasn't that dangerous (or they don't value the life of their pilots).

Most likely because they had a written plan/policy for what to do in a similar event, and as you know military people follow policy to the letter (you dont get rewarded for inginuity normally) so they just followed their policy.

Still why didnt they dump the fuel? Its flamable and it weights the aircraft down...

Skoshi Tiger 03-22-2011 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy (Post 237346)
perhaps the RAAF didnt trust the F-111 ejection system for 100% ? you know, the whole cockpit is ejected in this plane.

and sure, the fuel should be no proplem at all, as all the flightshows are showing when the F-111 are "burning" their fuel... there is an emergency releaese for fuel.

When you eject from the F-111 the whole cockpit is rocketed away from the aircraft and comes down with it's parrachute and lands as a unit (it is actually used as a life boat over water). It is designed to save the crew ejecting at very high speed and zero altitude. Because of the envelope that it's designed to work in the process is VERY harsh and almost always causes back injuries to the crew.

I guess that if there is a more controlled way of putting the plane down that the option they'll take.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8l79lSjVMg

Cheers!

engarde 03-23-2011 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearmiss (Post 236862)
This will make you spill your coffee, or tea what-have-you.

Darned awesome video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIyYK9oz9Go

without giving away too much, i remember that day very well, i learned over the radio that a colleague of mine had been required to attend the incident in an official capacity.

i was SO jealous i didnt get to see what happened close up.

:(

Tree_UK 03-23-2011 07:43 AM

That is a remarkable piece of flying, incredible.

Sternjaeger 03-23-2011 08:25 AM

the pilots circled for a good 3 hours to burn the fuel they had in the tanks, fuel dumping is not allowed for obvious environmental and security reasons.

Uh and I dunno who said that "if they do it it's a standard procedure for it" I can tell you NO, there's not such "standard procedure". You're giving the means and the scenarios, but you cannot fathom any possible solution.
A close friend of mine flies with F-18s in Canada and he said that he would probably deploy the arrestor hook once he hits the ground, not BEFORE ("we know of the F111 guys, that was a non standard procedure that could have gone very, very wrong.."), cos you're gonna slam the plane on the tarmac.

digix 03-25-2011 08:44 AM

What about bellylanding on the grass? Not an option?

Sternjaeger 03-25-2011 08:58 AM

nope, that thing comes down quite fast (120mph - 200km/h)and you want a hard surface that won't deform on impact and that can keep the plane relatively steady.


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