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defiant-o-phobes
LOL!! to coin a common phrase .. Whenever i watch weekly update videos, when a defiant is show, it's always being shot down by 109 or 110 or Storch etc without any defensive moves or counter fire by the gunner! .. Why? Has the defiant been classified a "clay pigeon" ?
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Are you talking about the newest video's?
The scene in which the Bf-110 dives in on the port high side of the Defiants and and then down and under? I think that I read that video was made on "arcade" settings, which would explain why the Defiant gunner didn't shoot during the approach. For myself, I don't ever plan to attack a Defiant unless it's head on or from below. Start my dive early - go a good bit under his tail at high speed, then come up under. S! Gunny |
The 109 attacked from about 5 o'clock high, a very dangerous way to attack a defiant but gunner was asleep (or 109 AI cannot handle deffys), the 110 came in about 5 O'clock level, the defiant should have banked right, into the enemy, and allow the gunner full view .. but nothing! :confused::confused::confused:
Plus, I noticed Stuka's flying straight and level while being shot at by a beaufighter! OH DEAR! :confused::confused::confused: just a few small points on a totally excellent sim so far. He111 |
Defiant needs .50 cal.
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I am a bit of a Defiant fan for my sins. ;) |
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The defiant was apparently intended to be used in massed formations of a couple dozen aircraft - shooting up the underside of bomber formations and defending each other. Something which interests me is whether the AI can switch to a fixed forward firing configuration (as was commonly used in real life). |
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It's strange that the Defiant is a fighter,since it haves no forward firing guns.
However,I hope it gets flyable.I would love to be the gunner of a flying flakvierling. |
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Two 20mm cannon in each wing, 2000hp Merlin and you would have had a 1940 Brisfit. |
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Even as a night fighter, they weren't too successful, with only four brownings against all that armour plate. The lack of forward firing guns was a big mistake, but even with them, it wouldn't have been manoeverable enough to vie with 109's with all that weight to carry around. The turret and gunner I mean. I reckon it was designed by people of a similar mindset to those who thought the 'big wing' was a great idea. Poor old Defiant.:( |
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It's part of why I find the early war period so interesting: a lot of concepts that had been established before the war were put to test, with often disastrous results (I realize the poor guys suffering from those concepts didn't find that nearly as interesting back then...). That includes the Defiant as well as the German Zerstörer concept, or the idea that B-17 formations would be able to defend themselves without escorts. Some of those planes could be adapted successfully to other roles; as for the Defiant, I think using it as a nightfighter was only slightly more efficient than scrapping them.
Still love crap planes though, and agree it would be nice to fly it one day, no matter how unlikely that is. |
Defiant was a very succesful night fighter AFAIK. Flying alongside the enemy bomber undetected and opening fire only when in enemy's blind spot.
As far as AI is concerned, I found it more promising than disappointing. AI doesn't react means you can in circumstances bounce them without being noticed (which is impossible in current IL-2). |
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He111. |
One of the aspects I really look forward to is to try out if some of the pre-war ideas would actually work. The Daffy was intended to destroy un-escorted bomber formations. It was in a sense an answer to the "the bomber will always get through" doctrine. During 1940, the Daffy was thrown against fighters with disasterous results, the original concept was never tried out. Now, with FMB and/or some mates over for a LAN party, we can put the original idea to the test: Daffy against Schnellbombers (Do 17 would do nicely)!
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Hi FF, i was just wondering what the 'Daffy' is?
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I'd love the Defiant to be made flyable too. I think I've got enough good data for both the pilot and gunner positions. Once CoD has been released, I'll approach Oleg and co and see if they're willing to make it flyable. |
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He111. |
Sounds a bit like the defensive circles sometimes flown by BF-110s when they were attacked during the Battle of Britain.
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We could really do with some sort of outlet for supplying various third party companies and amateur modellers with this type of information. The Anson could easily be made flyable too. I certainly don't mind helping commercial companies if it means we get more aircraft to fly. |
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Such a strange concept with hindsight, but at the time was thought viable, except strangely enough by Hugh Dowding. He was sceptical of them from the word go, and was soon proved 100% correct. Can't help being a bit fond of the old pig though.:) |
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:-) Just kidding. |
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On a related note: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rKYL0tW-Ek |
Re: effectiveness as a night fighter. I've shamelessly bumped an earlier post on the topic containing an excellent first-hand account. There's also interesting mention of De Wilde ammo.
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Deadly Defiant.
Hi all,
The Defiant was designed to intercept unescorted German bombers in daylight. At the time of it's conception in the mid-1930's, it was not anticipated that France would be defeated. It was expected that German bombers would have to fly from Germany. And without escort. British experience in WW1 was that two gunned forward firing fighters such as the Camel were not effective against Gotha bombers attacking London. The Defiant fully met the Air Ministry requirements at that time. But times changed. France was defeated and German bombers were now escorted by Me 109s. Interstingly, the best pilots in the RAF and the Luftwaffe during the 1930's were assigned to bombers. How times changed! Best Regards, MB_Avro. |
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http://i528.photobucket.com/albums/d...ideDownAce.jpg Commando books eh, bless em. All that picture needs is a 'Gott in Himmel' in a speech bubble appearing from that 109 cockpit and it would be complete :grin: JMB. |
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However, it appears that the guns could be fixed to fire forward (if the turret was facing directly forward, the guns could be lowered so that they had no elevation). This allowed the airplane to fight conventionally. Quote:
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