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kimosabi 01-19-2011 09:29 AM
Rant: Stop whining and moaning about system spec requirements.
 
~S~

Cliffs of Dover is 2 months away and we all saw that they ran the demo's at Igromir pretty well with i5 760's @ 2.8gHz, 2gigs of ram and a GTX460. From there on you can pretty much take that as a minimum system requirement.

Save up and order when the devs decide to release the info, instead of cluttering a whole forum.

\rant

chantaje 01-19-2011 10:22 AM
whining about the whining dosnt help either :P , just kiddin. as they say in the past its a proof of the expectation this sim creates on all of us

kristorf 01-19-2011 10:29 AM
+1 :roll:

kimosabi 01-19-2011 10:34 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by chantaje (Post 213736)
whining about the whining dosnt help either :P , just kiddin. as they say in the past its a proof of the expectation this sim creates on all of us
Let's see if this thread helps. I sure hope so. Not kidding. ;)

AndyJWest 01-19-2011 11:15 AM
As I recall, firstly there were real problems with stuttering over land with that spec, and secondly, we don't know how much the software has been optimised and/or revised since then. So no, that isn't a 'minimum system requirement'. It is a guess.

More to the point. Ubisoft are trying to take orders for software without providing a spec. Does anyone really think this is a sensible business practice?

Tvrdi 01-19-2011 11:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 213764)
As I recall, firstly there were real problems with stuttering over land with that spec, and secondly, we don't know how much the software has been optimised and/or revised since then. So no, that isn't a 'minimum system requirement'. It is a guess.
Exactly. I assume that only 2GIGS of RAM installed was a cause of stuttering....Im pretty sure my i7920@3.3Ghz paired with GTX470 twin frozr 2 (overclocked beyond 480 specs) and 6GIGS of DDR3 RAM would be enough for smooth gameplay ond med to high settings on 1680x1050 res....

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 213764)
More to the point. Ubisoft are trying to take orders for software without providing a spec. Does anyone really think this is a sensible business practice?
Ehh..I would too like to know why we still dont have such an important info...and preorders started....

David603 01-19-2011 11:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 213718)
~S~

Cliffs of Dover is 2 months away and we all saw that they ran the demo's at Igromir pretty well with i5 760's @ 2.8gHz, 2gigs of ram and a GTX460. From there on you can pretty much take that as a minimum system requirement.
\rant
Yes, but they were running on Max graphics at Igromir, so unless the sim has massively changed since then those can't be the minimum system requirements.

My guess for min specs would be a Dual Core @ 2.2GHz, 2GB RAM, and a modern-ish graphics card of about 512mb memory.

leggit 01-19-2011 11:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 213718)
~S~

Cliffs of Dover is 2 months away and we all saw that they ran the demo's at Igromir pretty well with i5 760's @ 2.8gHz, 2gigs of ram and a GTX460. From there on you can pretty much take that as a minimum system requirement.

Save up and order when the devs decide to release the info, instead of cluttering a whole forum.

\rant
agreed some people have become the forum equivalent of screaming teenage girls since the announcement by Oleg on friday.

kimosabi 01-19-2011 11:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by David603 (Post 213770)
Yes, but they were running on Max graphics at Igromir, so unless the sim has massively changed since then those can't be the minimum system requirements.

My guess for min specs would be a Dual Core @ 2.2GHz, 2GB RAM, and a modern-ish graphics card of about 512mb memory.
My suggestion was towards people wanting to run the game with acceptable framerates of up to 50-60FPS on higher(not highest) settings. Which is about 70-80% of us IMO. As others have mentioned, they had some lag/fps issues at Igromir. That's why I said pretty well, and not beautifully. :grin:

If you want absolute minimum system specs, which I believe noone is really interested in when they upgrade their computer, you can probably run that game off your grandpa's laptop.

YES ANDYJDUDE! IT WAS A GUESS! THAT'S WHY I SAID "PRETTY MUCH TAKE IT FROM THERE"! Geez.

David603 01-19-2011 12:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 213774)
My suggestion was towards people wanting to run the game with acceptable framerates of up to 50-60FPS on higher(not highest) settings. Which is about 80-90% of us. As others have mentioned, they had some lag/fps issues at Igromir. That's why I said pretty well, and not beautifully. :grin:
Well, you did say minimum system requirement ;)

Quote:
If you want absolute minimus system specs, which I believe noone is really interested in when they upgrade their computer, you can probably run that game off your grandpa's laptop.
I'm not so sure everyone is thinking of upgrading for SoW.

Myself, I have no plans to get a new computer, since my current rig is about the same specs as the Igromir machines but with 4GB RAM. I have room for a second graphics card, but even so I will wait to see how it runs before shelling out.

addman 01-19-2011 12:23 PM
I think many people overestimate the system specs and I'll say it again: Buy the best you can, for the money you have! How hard can it be?! Geez...

kimosabi 01-19-2011 12:24 PM
I said "from there you can pretty much take that as a minimum system requirement", david603.

LOL

It's like whenever someone sees those two words in a sentence, it's instant tunnel vision nowadays.

Red Dragon-DK 01-19-2011 12:24 PM
I dont agree. People are naturally curious / worried about, if their computer can handle this new Sim. Do they have to go out and spend a lot of money on new hardware and if so, what type of upgrade do the have to do?. I therefore think it is okay to ask people.

Perhaps it is irritating for some to read these questions. Especially if you have the latest high end computer with new hardware and feel safe. But for everyone else, it is a significant issue. Should we wait to buy the Sim and hardware or whatever. And hey. This is a forum. This is where you can ask quiations and get some answer. So please do not dictate what others can or can not ask.

Thanks

kimosabi 01-19-2011 12:27 PM
If you feel dictated by my rant, Otto, that's on your shoulders not mine.

Red Dragon-DK 01-19-2011 12:30 PM
Then what is you point of this thread? Your headline do not sound like a quistion to me.

kimosabi 01-19-2011 12:34 PM
I'll update the OP title. I left a \rant at the end of my OP but it may be hard to spot.

I know this is a forum, Otto, and we sure need to nag about the same things, like system requirements, over and over again, right?

~S~

David603 01-19-2011 12:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 213784)
I said "from there you can pretty much take that as a minimum system requirement", david603.

LOL

It's like whenever someone sees those two words in a sentence, it's instant tunnel vision nowadays.
Well, I've read that back a couple of times and to me, it still looks like you saying the specs from the Igromir PCs can be taken as the minimum system requirements needed to run the sim, but lets not argue.

We do seem to be agreement overall about what is needed to run the sim at different graphics levels. :)

addman 01-19-2011 12:52 PM
Why are some people so stressed out about it though? Can't you wait until the game is released and try it on your current rig first and then decide whether to upgrade or not? Also, system specs aren't always 100% correct but rather a guideline for suggested hardware. Show some patience, I'm sure they will release the "almighty" specs ASAP.

Tvrdi 01-19-2011 12:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 213790)
I'll update the OP title. I left a \rant at the end of my OP but it may be hard to spot.

I know this is a forum, Otto, and we sure need to nag about the same things, like system requirements, over and over again, right?

~S~

yes we need to since most ppl are not "richies" with latest rigs...its normal they are worried....

kimosabi 01-19-2011 01:01 PM
I'm not rich either. Still using a 775 rig here and she runs steady and true. :)

I even get around 60FPS in RoF with most of the bells and whistles on, with the exception of cities, which drop to 45FPS on occation. And RoF is no easy task for an old beater. :cool:

Triggaaar 01-19-2011 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by addman (Post 213783)
Buy the best you can, for the money you have! How hard can it be?! Geez...
It's just not that simple - when buying the best you can, what percentage of your budget do you spend on your CPU and what percentage on your graphics card? The answer will depend on the game you want to play, and we are expecting this air sim to benefit from CPU power more than your average FPS. Once some specs are released people better guess what system will be best with their budget.

mazex 01-19-2011 03:45 PM
Well, the suggestion to use the Igromir spec as a minimum sounds good, but other than that, why not wait and see? This forum will be full of posts day one of persons sharing their experiences, be sure ;) Do like Oleg said and wait until the release before buying a new rig... Being a developer myself I guess much of the work now is optimisation so they probably don't know it themselves now. Every day they hope to find the magic trick that increases the fps 30 percent with the same quality. That's what you do the last months when all features work without major bugs... Squash bugs and find smart solutions to improve the performance.

I sit on a rather old rig (Core 2 duo 3.3, GTX275, 6gb ram) and guess it will work... If not I am pretty sure a new graphics card will be enough to give me the fps needed to enjoy it...

Chivas 01-19-2011 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyJWest (Post 213764)
As I recall, firstly there were real problems with stuttering over land with that spec, and secondly, we don't know how much the software has been optimised and/or revised since then. So no, that isn't a 'minimum system requirement'. It is a guess.

More to the point. Ubisoft are trying to take orders for software without providing a spec. Does anyone really think this is a sensible business practice?
There were real problems with stuttering at the Russian expo. This was explained as systems with only 2 gigs of memory. Since then Luthier stated the optimizations have gone rather well. I'm sure they will still be optimizing until the end of February when they have to send in the final copy for pressing.

There is no problem with Ubisoft taking preorders. People with decent systems or people who understand they might have to build a new system will happily preorder the new game. People who are concerned their system won't stack up and aren't planning to upgrade can simply wait a month or so for the system specs. I have a decent system and plan to upgrade it even further, but I'm not planning to preorder for a month or so and will still get the sim the same time as people who preorder now. What's the big deal?

genbrien 01-19-2011 06:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 213930)
There were real problems with stuttering at the Russian expo. This was explained as systems with only 2 gigs of memory. Since then Luthier stated the optimizations have gone rather well. I'm sure they will still be optimizing until the end of February when they have to send in the final copy for pressing.

There is no problem with Ubisoft taking preorders. People with decent systems or people who understand they might have to build a new system will happily preorder the new game. People who are concerned their system won't stack up and aren't planning to upgrade can simply wait a month or so for the system specs. I have a decent system and plan to upgrade it even further, but I'm not planning to preorder for a month or so and will still get the sim the same time as people who preorder now. What's the big deal?
+1 qft
anyway, we're 99% sure that it'll be CPU dependant, so if you dont have at minimum a Core2Duo than I think you should same some money:rolleyes:

Coen020 01-19-2011 07:27 PM
Think about it guys, not many gamers play sims now a day, i would say a mere 12% or something, add to that, that not many gamers have heard of this game yet (maybe some good marketing will still come, who knows? doubt it IMO)

So why in hell would Oleg make a sim that's only for those with the most extreme N.A.S.A pc's and have a situation like Crysis had when it was just launched.

So from only those 12% simmers only half of them would be able to play the game properly.

Maddox Games + Profits = none


anyway, i dont thinks it's stupid to worry and therefor i dont think this thread is useless. i just think you don't really have to worry that much.

kimosabi 01-19-2011 08:10 PM
As far as my own predictions come, I'm quite sure that multicore processors will be utilized. I think that was also stated by a dev some time ago. So a Quad core processor(which is kinda becoming the norm) is a good place to start IMO, since that's the route the gaming industry in general is taking nowadays. It will most probably not be able to utilize hyper threading(higher end i7's), no games are yet and there's only a small handful of games out there that can utilize even four cores still. Threading a game engine is no trivial feat of software engineering.

I have almost the same rig as you Genbrian, but a 5870 1gb and 8gb ram. If I can't max(or atleast close to max) CoD:IL-2, I'd be very surprised.

Codex 01-19-2011 09:26 PM
Why is everyone so fixated with minimum specs!? All it gives you is minimum performance.

Wait for the thing to be released, look at the minimum and then go three levels up. Anything else means you're compromising.

genbrien 01-19-2011 09:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 214010)
As far as my own predictions come, I'm quite sure that multicore processors will be utilized. I think that was also stated by a dev some time ago. So a Quad core processor(which is kinda becoming the norm) is a good place to start IMO, since that's the route the gaming industry in general is taking nowadays. It will most probably not be able to utilize hyper threading(higher end i7's), no games are yet and there's only a small handful of games out there that can utilize even four cores still. Threading a game engine is no trivial feat of software engineering.
+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 214010)
I have almost the same rig as you Genbrien, but a 5870 1gb and 8gb ram. If I can't max(or atleast close to max) CoD:IL-2, I'd be very surprised.
The only think that I fear that could lower my perf with the game is my 4gb of ram. Tried to search for 4 more GB of the same Mushkin ram but it's discontinued....:mad:

And please people, if you buy a new system with a new OS, dont buy a *@&$*@$ 32bit...

WTE_Galway 01-19-2011 10:41 PM
No one ever answered my question about when the iphone app version is due out.

Biggs [CV] 01-19-2011 11:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WTE_Galway (Post 214062)
No one ever answered my question about when the iphone app version is due out.
Dec 21st, 2012.

WhiteSnake 01-20-2011 07:34 AM
They should have released atleast the Minimum System Specs. Some of use dont have Quad Cores, Radeon HD5000's or GeForce GTX400's (i bet most of us dont.

My own Rig is just over 4 years old, and was build to run Crysis perfectly, wich it still does today even in Full HD on Maximum Settings, but im starting to doubt that its enough for this game.

Just trowing Rumours up about Minimum Specs/Recomended Specs doeesnt help people one bit.

I, like so many others would like to know that i can run the game perfectly fine before Pre-ordering or Buying it.

If i fall short, than maybe i can upgrade, or build a new Rig, but so far i have not had that need at all for any game, it still runs all the games i play perfect at there highest settings.

So i dont think its stupid to ask about the Minimum/Recomended System Requirements at all, Im sure they know perfectly well what they are and should just post them/release them.

If you think people are Whining asking for that Info, than your either just build a brand new high end system, are a spoiled lil brat, or rich (or just dumb)

Chivas 01-20-2011 08:32 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteSnake (Post 214166)
They should have released atleast the Minimum System Specs. Some of use dont have Quad Cores, Radeon HD5000's or GeForce GTX400's (i bet most of us dont.

My own Rig is just over 4 years old, and was build to run Crysis perfectly, wich it still does today even in Full HD on Maximum Settings, but im starting to doubt that its enough for this game.

Just trowing Rumours up about Minimum Specs/Recomended Specs doeesnt help people one bit.

I, like so many others would like to know that i can run the game perfectly fine before Pre-ordering or Buying it.

If i fall short, than maybe i can upgrade, or build a new Rig, but so far i have not had that need at all for any game, it still runs all the games i play perfect at there highest settings.

So i don't think its stupid to ask about the Minimum/Recommended System Requirements at all, Im sure they know perfectly well what they are and should just post them/release them.

If you think people are Whining asking for that Info, than your either just build a brand new high end system, are a spoiled lil brat, or rich (or just dumb)
They are still optimizing the sim. Its not in their best interests to post minimum /recommended specs until they've squeezed every last frame they can in performance. I would guess you will get the information you need by the end of February when they have to send their copy in for pressing and distribution.

Tvrdi 01-20-2011 09:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 214180)
They are still optimizing the sim. Its not in their best interests to post minimum /recommended specs until they've squeezed every last frame they can in performance. I would guess you will get the information you need by the end of February when they have to send their copy in for pressing and distribution.
didnt know you joined Maddox team....heh

JG52Uther 01-20-2011 10:02 AM
He works for MG like you work got 777 ;)

Tvrdi 01-20-2011 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JG52Uther (Post 214199)
He works for MG like you work got 777 ;)
oh that makes a difference....sry Chiv

JG52Uther 01-20-2011 10:55 AM
I'm joking Tvrdi...maybe. ;)

major_setback 01-20-2011 11:39 AM
What are the minimum requirements of the game?
Does anyone know the minimum requirements?
What about the minimum requirements?
Did anyone mention minimum requirements of the game?

BTW what are the minimum requirements of the game?

I honestly don't get it. The game will neither play better or worse because some figure is thrown out. It will work as well as it can, depending totally on the computer you have.

On old computers you will see brown blurs, on new ones you will see aircraft; and be able to add wind/turrbulance/more aircraft/clouds/more aircraft/detailed visuals/waves creshing on the shore etc.

Minimum requirements won't tell you anything.

swiss 01-20-2011 01:13 PM
Any news on the rec. sys. specs?







;)

JG52Uther 01-20-2011 01:33 PM
Its a secret.They will let you in to it once you buy the game ;)

kimosabi 01-20-2011 02:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by genbrien (Post 214037)
The only think that I fear that could lower my perf with the game is my 4gb of ram. Tried to search for 4 more GB of the same Mushkin ram but it's discontinued....:mad:

And please people, if you buy a new system with a new OS, dont buy a *@&$*@$ 32bit...
If you're running that Q9550 @ >3.9gHz 24/7 I can pretty much guarantee you that another 4gb of ram will do your system good. I was lucky to find another set of 4gb of my discontinued G.Skills myself but they had a different heatspreader on them. Luckily the timings, speed and voltage were the same as my old ones so I pulled the trigger. Works like a charm. My experience was a much smoother gameplay and a few FPS extra. Flightsims dig ram IMO. But you have a 2gb graphics card though so you might not get the same increase as me.

swiss 01-20-2011 02:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 214305)
If you're running that Q9550 @ >3.9gHz 24/7 I can pretty much guarantee you that another 4gb of ram will do your system good. I was lucky to find another set of 4gb of my discontinued G.Skills myself but they had a different heatspreader on them. Luckily the timings, speed and voltage were the same as my old ones so I pulled the trigger. Works like a charm. My experience was a much smoother gameplay and a few FPS extra. Flightsims dig ram IMO. But you have a 2gb graphics card though so you might not get the same increase as me.
You got a few extra fps in IL2 thanks to the additional 4GB?

kimosabi 01-20-2011 04:07 PM
I'm sorry I forgot to mention but IL-2 didn't see much FPS increase besides the object rendering over cities etc. went smoother. RoF gained 2-5FPS as well, depending on the map and number of pilots. I'm @ 3.8-3.9gHz on my Q9550. So no, I don't think it was the RAM that got me the extra FPS but it gave my cpu some extra workspace and that's always a good thing when you have lots of tasks cluttering up in your memory on occation. Like when you're flying over a city etc.

swiss 01-20-2011 07:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 214341)
I'm sorry I forgot to mention but IL-2 didn't see much FPS increase besides the object rendering over cities etc. went smoother. RoF gained 2-5FPS as well, depending on the map and number of pilots. I'm @ 3.8-3.9gHz on my Q9550. So no, I don't think it was the RAM that got me the extra FPS but it gave my cpu some extra workspace and that's always a good thing when you have lots of tasks cluttering up in your memory on occation. Like when you're flying over a city etc.
Interesting, during play my system uses 2.5GB, and not even all the Ram of the GPU(~600MB of 800).

kimosabi 01-20-2011 07:08 PM
What operating system do you have and how many applications are you running? I'm on Vista x64 and over big cities like Berlin or Caen my system is up to the 4gb mark. Same in RoF.

WhiteSnake 01-20-2011 07:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 214305)
If you're running that Q9550 @ >3.9gHz 24/7 I can pretty much guarantee you that another 4gb of ram will do your system good. I was lucky to find another set of 4gb of my discontinued G.Skills myself but they had a different heatspreader on them. Luckily the timings, speed and voltage were the same as my old ones so I pulled the trigger. Works like a charm. My experience was a much smoother gameplay and a few FPS extra. Flightsims dig ram IMO. But you have a 2gb graphics card though so you might not get the same increase as me.
Theres no point in having more than 4GB if the game iswritten in 32 Bit... even if your OS is 64 Bit, the Game (or any other 32 Bit aplication) will still be restricted to using a Maximum of 2GB Memory Max.

Hopefully Oleg has made a 32 Bit and 64 Bit version, just like they done with Crysis and FarCry for example.

kimosabi 01-20-2011 08:03 PM
True, but the game isn't the only thing running. I have 55 applications running at one time usually and free memory when gaming is about 600mb. The rest is cached. When I ran 4gb I had almost no free memory, everything was cached.

David603 01-20-2011 08:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhiteSnake (Post 214412)
Theres no point in having more than 4GB if the game iswritten in 32 Bit... even if your OS is 64 Bit, the Game (or any other 32 Bit aplication) will still be restricted to using a Maximum of 2GB Memory Max.

Hopefully Oleg has made a 32 Bit and 64 Bit version, just like they done with Crysis and FarCry for example.
Not strictly true ;)

Try this tool here (note: not a mod)

It modifies your Il2FB.exe to allow use of up to 4GB RAM if you have a 64 Bit system, and can do the same for other 32 Bit applications.

I used it myself and it gave a noticeable framerate boost on my Laptop, going from Perfect mode with some stuttering over cities to Perfect mode and smooth over cities, so it seems worth using.

The program creates a backup of your Il2FB.exe but you might want to make a manual backup.

swiss 01-20-2011 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kimosabi (Post 214434)
True, but the game isn't the only thing running. I have 55 applications running at one time usually and free memory when gaming is about 600mb. The rest is cached. When I ran 4gb I had almost no free memory, everything was cached.
W7ux64, 65apps.

You probably have some BS running in the background. ;)

I will check on the Berlin map 'tho.

kimosabi 01-20-2011 10:01 PM
Doesn't matter, swiss. You're on 7, not comparable to Vista's resource management, or hogging, at all. But hey, install another 4gb and fly an object rendering intensive mission and see for yourself. That's the only way to know for sure. Whatever you say in this thread, I'm not gonna remove 4gb of ram because I know the differences it made to my system. LOL

Keep on truckin'.

major_setback 01-20-2011 10:24 PM
I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but what are the system specifications?

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:-)

kimosabi 01-21-2011 02:50 PM
Minimum system requirements are as follows:

Dual 1366 processor motherboard
2x5520 Intel Xeon processors
SLi/Quadfire GTX580/HD6970
16GB 2200mHz RAM
3x32" monitors
1200W Powersupply
Windows 7 Ultimate or better.

Chivas 01-21-2011 06:52 PM
The system specs are going down as we speak, or staying the same if they were lowered enough to enable another feature. :)

kimosabi 01-22-2011 11:06 AM
Yep, the dudes are workin on it. :grin:


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