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B-17G Gamebreaker?
I have the B-17 and use it in Dogfights and Strike and its defensive armanent and bomb load are a little excessive. 1 bombing run almost annihilates a target and it can shoot down almost anything that gets close unless rockets are used. It can even be used in CTA although it is a bit of a target if stationary on the ground.
Is it a gamebreaker? Maybe not with 50 wins to unlock but 30 or even 20 like it seemed to unlock after for me is very little for such a powerful force. |
It can be a good challenge... Cpl of famous fights due to the big motherf*#e' :-)
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I feel most of the bombers, including all the ILs and Junkers, are a bit too resistant to cannon fire. It's true the larger bombers can be taken out more easily by targetting the engines but I think everyone would prefer additional fatal hitpoints. Like the ability to kill the pilots in the cockpit or taking out specific gunports. It's still fun to fly against them in any mode regardless.
The mid-range bombers, on the other hand, are a pain in the proverbial... |
ME163 works every time,boom and zoom.it has blind spots above and below,isn't that right wanko.
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what usually happens in the games i have been in is the person usually asks if anyone has a problem with them flying a 17. if there are no objections the playing field is leveled by others switching planes to combat it and/or teams divided up to even it out. they can be a pain in strike as they can do a LOT of damage quick. someone guards home with a G6 or better they shouldnt have a problem. i have had more problems with Ils than 17s
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I'm afraid I do not agree with you "the legendary spitfire" when you say its ok for CTA games. If I'm starting into a CTA game and see some lunatic deciding he's up for using a fortress against me, I already know he's brown bread before the game even starts. Firstly you'll have captured the field long before he gets into a position to bomb you or capture the field himself. Secondly with the exception of the po2 153 i16 or Arado (no guns) nothing else as far as i can think would have any problem with boom and zoom attacks on the 17. Thats without using rockets of course. I'm not going to mention the Unmentionable but you all know what I'm talking about there. That one's got a fork in it !!!
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B-17 in CTA is effectivly a non player for his team. Same goes for using a B-17 in a dogfight/team battle, you are relying on getting kills though other people attacking you with the wrong plane and wrong tactics, if you joined a game full of skilled players and used a B-17 you would be ignored by energy fighters and blown away by the heavy hitting bomber attack planes, there is nothing you can do no matter how skillfull you are, you will be useless. B-17s in strike is fine as long as you make sure someone else is in one for the other side too to make it fair. Anyone who tail chases a B-17 should be killed, that is not the way for a fighter to deal with one. As Irish says boom and zoom with a fighter designed to take down B-17s (G6,K4,190D,262,162,163), hit them before they can aim at you. Really the B-17 should take quite a bit more damage than it does in this game, for example all 4 engines act as one so if lose an engine your dead, if you get a very damaged engine you lose throttle and power for the other 3 engines aswell, pilot kill deaths shouldn't be so easy as another of the crew could easily take control. So you see LegendarySpit how much better the B-17 could have been. Maybe then it would have been a gamebreaker. |
Sadly yes this Plane can be and is abused in some instances , dont blame the plane blame the person on the stick .
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Yes those guns have blindspots but tilting the plane can quickly help. I have to say some players are very adept at killing B-17s but they are few and far between.
In CTA the B-17 is easy to land but a bit of a target on the ground and is a bit slow so it is best to use something like the Spitfire XVI. I also do like to think that I am not an abuser of the plane by overuse but I do sometimes feel guilty about 13kills to 4deaths in a dogfight. However, as people have said they are killable. Back to the main point of the game though, it doesn't matter in a dogfight if a player uses a B-17 as long as they have fun. CTA it can be a bit of pain if a teammate decides to use one but it is their choice. I have personally only used it once and can easily see how it could be destroyed but it is a satisfying plane and if anyone decides to tail you, more fool them. I'm not abusing the system by overusing a good plane and if anyone wants to try and shoot me down they are welcome! (although I'm not very good so you probably will shoot me down) |
"the legendary spitfire" LOL as I said earlier if I see a player in a CTA game with that behemoth I'll come a huntin' ... ha ha
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Ha Ha Ha Ha Gilly ... Nice one buddy. I thought we wouldn't mention the "Unmentionable" !!!!!!!
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give me a B ... give me an R ... give me an A give me a BREAK !!!! Ha Ha Ha
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Now that will be as you put it 'Fun' |
I second that motion
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Now now people, it was only a little joke, please don't blow me into several million pieces
Anyway I just used it in CTA once and I don't generally go on dogfight and have never got a kill with the autogunners. In Team Battle I prefer 109s which is kind of ironic given my name on this forum. |
mmmmmmmm !
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hey gilly. I'm not trying to start something but i just want to say this. you said constantly on the last forum that a certain b-17 player is female and making fun of him and his b-17, but i see that you too were good friends.
Appreciate that being behind Brigg, Branko and myself can be a fairly 'hot' place to be and with gunfire and burning engines and now and again it happens. apparently you still have some feelings for him. some unresolved issues maybe. anyway the b-17 is a great bomber, in the game and historically. no other bomber matched up. |
yep i cannot argue with that but using it for cta dm and tdm games. c'mon now seriously man. no no no no no not clever !
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IMO b-17s in anything but strike are used by unskilled players who cant get kills with fighters they rely on others stupidity to follow right behing them and tail gun them and 13 muchineguns and the heaviest armor in the game i personaly love to fight them they are a huge easy target as long as your not a idiot and "some" b17 flyers get very angry and sends you lots of rediculas letters explaining a ton of excuses as to why they lose lol
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I agree 100% maverick some b17 flyers!(not pilots)won't play with me anymore because i 'cheat' but i still get a good laugh at all the hatemail.:grin::grin:
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dont want anyone getting in trouble and banned so remember the warning... 'thou shalt not mention the name that i canst not mention. if thoust does mention thy name thou shalt be visited by the viking of dissaproval" |
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You do have a short memory whoever you are as last time you posted you wished maverick to stand in a landmine. Sicko. Apologies to the rest of the real friends and decent pilots here as another thread decends downwards. If I ever needed a reason to park the Enzo and dust off the spit, this is it! |
good idea not to mention "that name" i got hatemail literally seconds after my post lol
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I am shocked!! appalled! say it aint so Joe.... :grin:
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I've had the pleasure of a 1 on 1 with the famous B17 once. And only once. Will never do that mistake again. After downing the bird in a classic b&z, the operator quitted and I got the blizzard of sh... directly. And an azzfull of random buzz for weeks. Now it leaves the lobby when I enter. Thank dog!
The B17 is a beauty in strike. It's a crutch in the other modes. Bombers should be operated by bomberpilots. |
I don't see the point in hatemail, particularly not if you are rubbish enough to fail to at least do some damage to the pursueing plane. When someone finally had the sense to use rockets against me, did I quit and send him hatemail? No, but it was painful to play and then I, honestly, lost connection. I did not hate him, but instead commended him (though I didn't send him any messages as that would just be weird).
Other B-17 pilots such as Branko are good with the plane so it isn't rubbish although rockets are an almost sure-fire kill. (I had Branko as a friend and they deleted me because I fired 1 rocket at them which didn't even get close) Only noobs send hatemail, like I received a petulant message from someone telling me 3 against 2. Yes that was a reason for me winning but they had a total of 16000lbs of bombs on their team and my team had approx 3000. Only choose a bomber if you can use it. |
(Guess who had bombed my psn-box with rubbish&abuse when I came home from work today) :-)
Imo it's not the planes that are gamebreakers. It's the loonies and the quitters. |
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just reported 23 of the most abusive messages, The men in white coats will be round.My kids use my ps account sometimes and they don't need 2 see hatefull rantings like that,So whoever you are could you stop it at once. :-x
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You do right meistor, sadly my son was exposed to some pretty vile ranting when he came in from school and switched on my PS. I won't write here what I think of the person who wrote them as I would most certainly be banned.
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we would all be banned if we said what we thought of that person
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I must be retarded lol when I press triangle it brings up a menu the options are open,protect,delete,add a friend,add to block list,profile,and information dont see any grief?
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Sorry....Up on the pipeline in Alaska doing repairs so I haven't been able to play for a very long time. We get is a scant few hours of internet time every so many weeks and that is divided among all the guys on the crew. I only get to check out my email and maybe read a thread or two from this forum. I AM screwing the next guy out of his time to write this. BUT, let me tell you, this upsets me because I have been hoodwinked by this before!!!!! I am all for fair play. If you tell me you are working for a trophy or an achievement, BuZz will do what he can to help you. Its all cool, Dude, brothers have helped me out to get where I am. BUT if you are going to fly a bomber where aint supposed to be you get what you F***ing deserve!! I aint a stupid noob. So the first couple o' times I am thinking, "I am being a decent guy, Go ahead and fly your bomber, it's all good." But you take advantage of me and bone me up the Hershey highway with that over and over??!!! Like the greatest American who ever lived, George W. Bush once said, "That isn't right!" And it aint! Play fair or face my wrath! Grow some hair on your nads and fight me like a MAN! The next time I see that B-17 in a game it ain't supposed to be ( Spongebob SquareWANK, can you spell S.T.R.I.K.E.????) I am gonna rocket or even ram your cheating butt like you DESREVE sweetiepie. Bombers in ANYTHING but strike IMHO (unless your are going for a trophy or unlock) is 100% CHEESEBALL play. Your are a **** if you do that. And That my fellow BoP players is BuZz's word. See you in June!!!
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The B-17 is no fighter so if you see it in game you do one of two things: A)Rocket it into many falling pieces or B)Leave it alone I guarantee that either of these options will kill off the desire to use a B-17 in anything but Strike unless that person is a hardcore fan. If they are a hardcore fan option A is how to do it. You probably don't need this lesson as I doubt that you are a noob but deliberate ramming? One you won't win as it deducts from your side's points and two, not fun for either of you. |
I agree with buzz when i see a b17 in a dog fight i no longer care about winning i make it my sole perpose in life to kill it over and over so that 1. it wont win by killing noobs and 2.it will get so pissed it will never fly it with me in the game again
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no kill the b17 who thinks they are going to win by killing noobs who fly behind them
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no not too far. if you fly that plane in a team battle...you put your team -1. and that isnt fair to them. in a df what are you trying to prove? i can almost see it in cta but there are better bombers to fly and again you put your team at a disadvantage of -1. now if everyone is screwing off and flying weird crap then by all means. we have gotten bored and had Po-2 dogfights. but by and large i have seem more people get pissed by someone flying a bomber when they shouldnt.
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In Dogfight however, I am not trying to "prove" anything, I am just trying to do as well as I can. For some reason I struggle to shoot down a turning plane even with the forestalling and thus I have forced myself into using a plane where planes mostly fly at in straight lines. I also use it so that if I cannot shake an opponent (in a fighter) I have a method of defense. If in a fighter without such defensive armanent I just get burned. |
getting burned is a part of the learning curve if you are consistently using a tailgunner how will you ever learn to dogfight.I will repeatedly attack any bombers in DM TDM &CTA except the il10(T34)which i will just ignore
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dogfighting isnt just getting on someone's six and taking them down...or learning the fine art of deflection shooting. a large part of it is, especially in this game, is evading someone who is on your tail. getting away to fight another battle OR if you can turn the situation around and get them in your sites...that's the stuff you will never learn that with a tail gunner. we all have had our time being flamed over and over again. like themeistor said...that my dear boy, is just part of the territory and yes it is frustrating until you learn...but the sooner you start the sooner you will get better at it.
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I'm not saying that I cannot evade those that are on my six otherwise I doubt that I would be playing this game. I am also not saying that I cannot shoot anyone down, its just that I prefer to use the B-17. I do have some skill and can play.
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legendary, im effectivly a bomber jock in this game as gilly will testify as ive flown maannnnyyyy times and will tesify to this im no sharpshooter but can hold my own, but when you're against the best of the best boom and zoomers there is lil resistance, BUT would never take any of the bombers/dive bombers in to a dogfight, cta or team battle!!!
make no mistake i can fly fighters reasonably well ............ i like to think anyways :oops: its called a dogfight for a reason and taking it into cta os TB (team battles) is well ............ in fairness very unsportsman like my only exception would be the IL2 not the M ofc as the IL2 has no rear gunner as were all aware :) Psml at all the covert "talk" |
I'd just like to apologise to everyone as I had never actually played against a B-17 in anything other than Strike. They are an absolute pain in the neck, particularly when they change to the stupid thing seconds before the game launches so you can't even get your rockets out. I will not use it unless every other player agrees that I can.
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lol no need to ask everytime you wanna use it, used the way and in the theaters it was ment for strike there is no need .............. unless you fancy being bait in an cta it might give you're team a chance to get in and land if you're dealing with 2 or 3 after you :-) and in the right hands there devastating to fly against if you chat to the guys on you're friends list or ask in here you may develop you're own way of downing the behemoth :) i cant boom and zoom as ive a poor deflection/lead on aircraft, but have my own way of gettin up close and personal :eek::cool: happy hunting :evil: lol |
just thought i would also post my vid in here since it is relavent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qsarex8Exg
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ah this debate again, mav's video has it down. A B-17 no mater whose piloting them will always hurt noobs more than a experienced player, these cheese tacticians should realise that when they've chased away all the noobs with their jack-assery; there will be nothing left but the experienced pilots who take special pleasure in chasing bombers out of dogfights and team battles.
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jack assery!!!! i thought i was the only one who said that lol awesome
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What is the issue with the B-17, (Never Flown One!) I have taken them on in free for all and TDM without any real issue (Arcade and Realistic), I find that if I use the He-162A-2 I can fly in fast and get away before they can destroy me.
wikipedia.org "German fighter aircraft used the tactic of high-speed strafing passes rather than engaging with individual aircraft to inflict damage with minimum risk." I also like to attack them from a vertical dive aiming for their top gunner. Here is a real german tactic. http://www.combatsim.com/htm/aug99/jpg/triplethreat.jpg or http://www.combatsim.com/htm/aug99/j...lercoaster.jpg or http://www.combatsim.com/htm/aug99/j...pecker-sin.jpg for the above, you fly several hundred yards behind them and below them and at several points aim up and fire and then when you get close to them climb and bank to the left or right. To me it seems as if people are acting like the b-17 is unstoppable. |
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The point being made is when your in a dogfight or TB it's hard enough to chase, run down and shoot another fighter without being constantly auto gunned by a talenteless idiot cruising around. Same goes for IL10s with their 'William tell' zombie political prisoner rear autogunners. They spoil the game for everyone. Yes they have their place and I'm the first one to fly a B17 but only when it's suitable and it can do what it was designed to do i.e. drop bombs. |
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'Integrity'.
You know what that is "dorftrottel"? |
B-17 the skull breaker
It all has a reason:
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On topic here, i dont think the b-17 is a game breaker. It can be if you know how to use it properly but along with some other aircraft.. if you use them properly against the b-17, it will be useless.. just a battle of atrition. Its easy to shoot down with a g-6 or k-4 if you have the right angle.. even a bf-110 will easily bring it down if you get a close, clean shot at it. swoop on it like a peregrine falcon and shoot from above and pull up underneathe it and perforate its fueselage.. if the pilot flys it in a straight line its easily taken out by going head on about 600m lower than it and pulling up vertically to shoot the fueselage. even shooting the ground targets with a g-6 <in flight> will defeat your average b-17 pilot. thats my opinion anyways.
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"A german fighter tactic against B-17s was to approach from about 600m away head on, while pointed down at a 30 - 45 degree angle. At about 100m they would pull their nose up to a 45 degree angle and fire at the B-17 before banking left or right while going into a dive." I have used this tactic in arcade against several B-17s with high success. In realistic I like to come from above at about a 70 - 80 degree angle at 400m above them. I normally aim for their top gunner or right in front of it. I always enjoy seeing the B-17 burn as it tumbles to the ground.:-P |
never attack an il10,il2m or any heavy bombers with rear gunner in an attack by behind,even it is hard ,try to find a tactics to kill those planes,i don't think it is a gamebreaker,just a hard target,who transform us as a nervous guys ,it is the game..
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i think too even alone,in the real war,the b17 was an hard target,maybe u know the real story of one b17 in the pacific theater,who did a recon mission ,alone,2 or 3 machine guns were add in this plane,during this mission ,this bomber was attacked by a lot of a6m zeros in same time,it was a real "rain of fire"head to head ,side,behind attacks,all the tactics were employed by the japaneses pilots,but the b17 was not destroyed and the gunners shot down a zeros,one crew member was killed but the b17 returned to base...
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I wonder who was doing the catering in the back while the fight was on and what was the special of the day !
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i know lol
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Anyone else smell that?
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I thought I had a scent of something a cpl of hours ago. In the simguys questionthread... Could be my radar playing me.
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It's super fun during strike, maybe if both team have a couple in game balancing the match, or might be fun trying to defend him against attacking planes, or might be fun using it in some "creative" way like.... uhm... flying races along berlin canal :-), or some low pass under bridges... I personally ignore ( ignore = not engage in fight ) players that choose a bomber ( bomber = plane displayed as a triangle instead of a dot on map ) in a team battle or dogfight game. Mainly because the auto gunner feature is always used by unfair or new players, but also because it's just a waste of bullet and fun shooting and chasing them, i prefer playing against fighters it's much more fun and challenging. In my opinion! Have Fun! |
ya know doesnt that just take the cake. you fly all day without so much as seeing a bird. but once the beans and wieners are hot and about to be served by the waiter, the damn japs attack. :grin:
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The other week i was playing On a strike mission, i was ina defensive position and went after a enemy b-17. I lost horrifically.
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