Have fixed mirrors on planes that have them
 

Can we please have the toggle mirrors control removed, the reason for this is mirrors can be switched on & off at will, the problem being when they are switched off the mirror plus its mount disappears unobscuring your mid to high 12 oclock view, & then you can turn it on & the mirror & mounting appears & you can check behind you.

I am aware that people like having the mirrors off & realisticly they would have been removed so you can give people a choise by having a setting applied in the conf ini file, lets say mirrors=1 is mirrors on& fixed in position & mirrors=0 is mirrors & mounting removed.

The current situation of you are flying full switch is ludicrous. If you wish to check this bind a key in your controls to toggle mirror & go for a flight in a mirror equipped plane & turn it on & off at will,you will find it has a big effect on your forward SAE.

Do you really think it provides that much of a better view up and forward than without? They are tiny little mirrors and it never seemed to matter much one way or the other.

The biggest reason for the toggle was it was a huge graphics hog at one point and old cars like my old GeForce 2 would die in the original IL-2 when a mirror was turned on. Not sure if it still causes folks FPS problems.

Personally for me yes it does, if you are in lag pursuit of a bandit, the mirror frame will obstruct your view & it does. The fact that you can switch a mirror on & then off is very arcade if one wishes to fly full switch.

If TD is willing to address realism issues, which they do, then surely this should be looked at, unless as you say Icefire it effects peoples ability to run the game (I have been in that situation myself)

I switch mirrors off when FPS sags and only for that reason. I don't find them much of an obstruction - on many ac, mirrors don't interfere with view anyway. Doesn't get my vote....

Taking away the "on-off" feature for mirrors makes no sense unless head tracking is fully implemented. Even if it were fully implemented, it would be yet another step in making head tracking mandatory.

The mirror gets in the way when you are on the offensive. It is also one of the tools for "checking your six". If you can't "move your head" to look around the mirror, you need to be able to turn it on and off.

Just my thought, but "realism" sometimes has to be sacrificed for hardware and software capabilities.

Splitter

I would like to see this too as a "difficulty" option or in the conf.ini, set before you fly. There are many planes that had mirrors IRL that are missing them in game (P-51, Hellcat etc), and for those of us without TrackIR its useful for spotting someone on your six.

You know what would be a better request? How about enabling 6DOF for goodness sake. It's been around for some time and there are NO issues with it.

DT get on with your badself.

There are issues with it.
Mostly missing polygons and gun sight errors.

It is not the decision of DT that is preventing the implementation of 6DOF. It is the decision of Oleg. Oleg says no, so that's it.

Personal opinion but I find 6DOF works extremeley well but, if some prefer 2 DOF, the unwanted axis can be disabled in the tracking software - fairly ameniable solution that keeps all happy......:rolleyes:.....except a few possibly!

The current 6DOF works fine but LOOKS horrible in places especially where "fake" 3D switches etc have been painted on flat 2D panels or in some of the older less used aircraft where their are gaping holes you can see through in the cockpit..

The current 6DOF therefore suits people dog-fighting but is annoying for those who actually like to just fly around and admire the eye candy and snap screenies.

Seeming as 6DOF is already available to those who want it, their seems no benefit in making it official. All that would happen is a a whole bunch of long flame threads whining about the visual glitches.

This thread is not about 6dof as the only people that benifits is track IR or free track users, I have neither.

The thread is about the fact that I can make my entire mirror assembly disappear by pushing a set key & then I can magically make it appear again.
If you are flying full switch it makes a mockery of it.

The system should be set up so the mirror face disappears & the mirror holder or assembly stays in position.

I find it amazing how people complained about the FW190 bar being restrictive & yet on a plane with a mirror I can alter my field of view by simply reaching out of my cockpit at 450mph & ripping it off & when I want to check my 6 I can stick it back on when ever I feel like it ( I just magically pop rivit it back onto the cockpit frame & I am at 7k)

How do you know? Oleg told you? :grin:

Does having mirrors enabled had a detremental effect on the planes performance in IL2? ( For planes with external mirrors that is!) I think that was the only reason i've read that pilots removed their mirrors!

OK! so the mirrors stay on....:rolleyes:...then how would you feel when peeps suggest fixed FOV (or much smaller incremental changes), no zooming in to gunsights on a slider, etc? Or, do you think these are perfectly acceptable.....apart from mirrors (which eat FPS when enabled)? Then there is 'padlock', 'external views' which makes a total nonsene of the 'mirrors' argument given that only few servers actually 'lock' these!

SEE, I agree with you

The issue of mirrors applies to flying full switch either on or offline. (Cockpit view only)

Tiger, I have no idea if they effect drag on aircraft.

Yep that is the real reason they can be toggled.

They were introduced at a time when mirrors slowed all but the most expensive gaming rigs to a standstill.

Toggling the mirrors meant normal people (who had not sold their grandmother to buy a high end game rig) could take advantage of mirrors when they needed them without making the game unplayable.

In online terms, fixed mirrors disadvantaged people on slower machines.