Which country is preventing me from committing high-treason and attempted regicide?
 

Hello,

As you can see I'm a member of the Common Wealth.

Apparently a number of buildings (such as BuckHam Palace) are going to be indistructable (like in MSCFS1). This is due to some country having laws against targeting such cultural sites.

Which country is it? What are the history of such laws?

Thanks,

Invisible? Indestructable as read.

Thanks for catching that.

Oleg made mention of this a little while back and I was wondering the same thing. Seems a little absurd to me...
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I agree. Struck me as a little odd and not based on fact. Could be wrong of course ;).

Perhaps it has more to do with the huge amount of time/effort required to build a convincing damage model for the likes of Buck Pal?!

PPanPan

AV. np,

I wouldn't mind that some buildings that didn't get damaged during the Bob and blitz are indestructable e.g. st paul's cathedral. Why there are such laws excist could be somekind of national pride? Or other reasons? Some simulators removed landmarks after 9/11 so it isn't possible to crash into them or such...

Interesting law... Even more interesting if games like the GTA series or Postal are allowed ;)

I've never heard of this in relation to london...after the RAF bombed Berlin I always understood it was total war from that point....i do know that Buckingham Palace was bombed...imo its a simulation therefore everything should be destructable. maybe add plenty points for hitting historic targets or targets of national importance.

But people still shooting at any possible "avatar" of middle east peole in current sims...

Strange world we live! LOL!

Probably has more to do out of respect to another nation and its leaders/buildings. People are overly sensitive these days and Oleg may not have wanted to go down another PF trip. Not sure if there is any law or other reason Oleg mentioned it.

Flyingbullseye

Probably not the best examples but both Modern Warfare 2 and Fallout 3 (both commercially successful, widely recognized games) depict Washington D.C. and its various historically significant buildings and monuments in various states of destruction, ruin and decay. I don't recall there being any outrage over that, by Americans or otherwise...
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as an aussie with republican leanings, it was kind of the first building i was planning on targeting on my first sortie in a stuka.

but then i had to stop and think. i really would have missed all those wonderful tabloid scandals - squidgygate and the like - so i'd more likely leave them alone.

and i thought the palace actually took some hits from the hun in 1940?

My guess is it's out of respect, not so much written law. In Olegish it's quite common that ideas like this can get mixed up since people of Oleg's character consider respect more like a law than an opinion.

I would prefer it if it could sustain damage, but surround it with an impenetrable wall of AAA, Barrage balloons and fighter screen.

Also if it was damaged, the demeanour of the defending AI forces should become extremely agitated and aggressive, and be solely focused on destroying the offending aircraft.

Also the crew upon return to their aerodrome should then be arrested, court-martialled, stripped of rank and summarily shot for disobeying the strict orders not to attack the palace.

Well that's what I'ld do! :)

If they model the Reichstag or Brandenburg Gate in a future SoW module, will they indestructible as well? Here's hoping there won't be the usual double standard in gaming.

Fafnir_6

It's not too much to ask I guess. At least they aren't likely to wait until SoW is almost ready for release, then launch an NG style lawsuit to screw money out of Oleg for representing their buildings and public places in the sim.

The Palace had some damage on the outside. There are pictures of the royals with the rubble.

You Aussies have the luxury of being republican! - you don't have an 8,900km undefended border with the land of Mordor ;)

(said in good humour).

I figured Oleg meant a literal law since MS CFS 1 also had invincible buildings.

Perhaps some European country views major cultural symbols as equivalents to a countries civilian culture and civilian population (and therefore vulnerable to hate and mock atrocities)??

However, destructible civilian buildings would seem to make this irrelevant.

between this issue and the grumman lawsuit we really need some good lawyers with an interest in flight simming to do some pro-bono work here.

anyone know a lawyer with a closet aircraft fetish? go find 'em.

I on the other hand am an Australian who is staunch monarchist.

The only reason we haven't become a rebublic is that the differnt rebulican factions in Australia hate each others guts and even they know that if they got into power only public appathy would keep us from being in a civil war within a few years.

I believe that there is nobody in this country (bar myself of cource) who I'ld want as a head of state and if we're going to have a head of state forced on to us I prefer them to live on the otherside of the world, that they have too many things to do so they don't bother us too much and that they speak proper, you know.

Long live the Queen!

Don't forget those games were developed in the USA. When the last Indiana Jones movie ran in the theaters the russian government was displeased with the way russians were displayed in the movie. Imagine in an american movie someone blowing up the Kremlin. We've never seen important buildings blowing up by rivaling nations, only the suggestion of it as a result of an unfortunate "accident" sparking total war (like in Dr. Strangelove).

is absurd, but I respect

I live on the south coast of England, and I'm currently consulting my legal team regarding having my property made indestructable in the sim. All I need is a bunch of bitter (do)minions taking pot shots at my castle.

What? I thought you guys liked us now that we have a Marxist president.

I suppose it is kind of silly to have any indestructible buildings in a war simulator, as respect is kind of irrelevant when your dropping bombs on someone.

Good point :)

God bless pubic apathy (I almost thought it was a Canadian invention).
One tyrant 3000 miles away!

No BadAim ;) I suspect we still think you're all nuts... :D

I mean, you developed a republic before the French - that takes imagination; and you guys seem to think it is treasonous to modify your constitution, even the amendments, to your constitution. Lots of people dislike some of the private and public interference in foreign countries and are mystified at internal politics. But we've always liked the States (even when you elect strange politicians). The fact is that people really like most Americans as individuals and think America is a great country, if slightly unhinged at times. This is true almost everywhere.

But, back to the topic - we still don't know whose laws make buildings resist the laws of entropy and physics.

I wonder if this is a part of the reaction to the bombing of cultural targets (eg. By Germany during the war)?

LOL! Public apathy is easy when the police aren't kicking down your door for thought crimes (probably only a short time away in both of our countries):)

Yes, were all nuts.

Why the laws of Political correctness of course, which have no relation to any known natural law, nor indeed to common sense, or any other kind of reality. But let those laws be broken and the PC police finds out about it; you'll be looking down the business end of a hissy fit brother!

The roots of the republican debate in Australia go back to a time when the country was divided on class/religion lines. The self proclaimed "better" classes were protestant (Church of England) of English decent and committed Monarchists. The working/poorer people tended to be Catholic and of either Irish or Italian descent and wanted a republic.

The protestant/catholic divide has faded in recent years and the monarchist debate confused with all sorts of modern political hype. But at essence its still the same divide.

Come to think of it - we're nuts too, in our own way (of course).

P.S. In Canada the door might not be locked (depends what part of the country)...

Btw. I never did notice any known relation between natural law, common sense or any kind of reality...

Okay, that explains a lot. We had similar divisions with Fenians, and Quebeckers of course (mind you New France still had a king when it became part of Canada - so Republicanism is less natural in Quebec than it is in France).

You guys also have those nifty posh accents in addition to your other nifty accents. Btw. Congrats on getting the secret ballot so much earlier than the rest of us. I clearly need to do some more reading on Australian history.

Regicide?Mmm,no.

According to the modern mother of knowledge (aka Wikipedia),the king and Elisabeth used to stay at a safe place of the Buckingham palace (or somewhere nearby it).

I completely support this ban on National Infrastructure Targets in SOW!

My God, can you imagine what could happen?

Terrorists, homosexuals or aethists could actually refine their evil plans, practice them to perfection - virtual mission rehersal until their timing and execution was "spot on".

Then, they could transport back to 1940 - and commit their monstrously evil plans..

All the innocents and the international outrage.

My God, folks - show some responsibility!

S!

Gunny

That's funny, I don't care who you are.

Everyone overlooked the obvious answer here: It's Bush's fault.

Splitter

Now I am completely disillusioned. Up until now I thought Texas was the only place in the world that DIDN’T have homosexual atheist terrorists!

Damnation! I'm going to cancel my Green Card application! I might as well stay here!

Cheers and thanks for the heads up!

Bit of spontaneous humor on my part - which can be a bit rare. Thanks for seeing it :)

In my English speaking world (Texan) it can be a bit dangerous joking like this, as it seems many modern practictioners of the language in my country (U.S.A.), haven't quite mastered the reading portion of the skills index.

I've always found it extremely odd that we've evolved to the point where some managment personnel feel that we must protect ourselves from the destruction of virtual landmarks in an entertainment product, concerned with the most brutal period in our human history.

That the world's greatest Combat Flight Simulation developer (Oleg), in a nation (Russia) which produces ALL of the market's top notch products, must consider the flimsy sensibilities of western culture while living in the country which lost over 25 million people in the Great Patrotic War, must certainly herald the apex of human idiocy.

Yes, Gentlemen - we have reached the edge - I think it can only get better from here :)

S!

Gunny

Isn't destruction of buildings of cultural significance considered a war crime? I think this could be used as reason to ban the game in some countries or at least rate the game as targeted for adults only. :grin:

It's not so much a case that some buildings are indestructable...it's just that there is no damage model made. Why go to the effort of making unneccessary models, especially of the more complex buildings? If they didn't get damaged; then no damage model. Stonehenge will be the same, even if it is not a 'politically sensitive' target.

For the integrity of the game it is also important that the few distinguishing features of London don't dissapear in (AI) air-raids.

You guys forgot to mention the "evil,godless,children eating communists".

Oh yes,rembered two things.

Was Reichstag ommited in IL2?

And how MCS 3 made to have even Eiffel tower on its maps and all the building are perfectly destructible?

Hmmmmm




I shall be building an accurate template in London recreating most of my past places of incidents from my youth, including night clubs I was thrown out of, restaurants that served poor over priced cuisine, pubs that took 20 mins to get served at.

Bus stops and Taxi ranks that remained empty for hours after 1am, tube stations that shut at random times, railways that sent the last train home off early, Hotels that refused registration after 2am, in fact I shall be spending sometime having a blast............ blasting stuff, The Savoy is first on the list.

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So you're saying - that is not standard in London?

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