Helicopters?! will it ever be possible?
 

How about add some helicopters.. how awesome would this be to this combat simulator. I would love it.. and i would love shooting them down also. What do you think?

in 1940?

are you drunk?

So your saying there was no helicopters in the 1940's ? are you on crack-cocaine?

Exactly - in 1940(without pl "s").
Some Prototypes maybe, but in service, no.


Sorry, haven't done any coke in the last 3 years. Why, are you selling?

Here is just one. And it even starred in the famous MASH tv show.
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircra...idland2006.jpg

No more crack for you.

not sure if there were "helicopters" in 1939-1940 period, but oleg already indicated they had intended to included some gyrocopter (autogyro) in BoB

so the answer is yes, it is possible, and i think is already included (presuming they finished that aircraft bug free in time, if not it should be in an update patch soon), and presuming you dont mind flying a gyrocopter instead of an helicopter :)

a little history on the topic:

ps: sorak, the MASH show is from the korean war period in the 1950's ;)

this website has a good brief history on the topic, including differences between gyrocpters and helicopters http://www.phenix.aero/PHE-1200.html

Still.. the actual helicopter came from the 40's

Game doesnt have to stay in the early 40's either..


but very cool that gyrocopters will be in it !

The first Hoverfly Is reached the UK at the beginning of 1944. German Fl 282s and Fa 223s were in various forms of service test from 1942 on, but never reached a true operational capability. Their primary contribution to the German war effort was evading capture by advancing allied armies. The U.S. Was the only nation with a true operational helicopter capability with deployments to the Far East from mid '44 on. In the interests of self-aggrandisement, here's an article I wrote on the subject: http://www.airspacemag.com/military-...rom-Luzon.html

That 47G post-dates the Korean War (the fuel tanks are the give-away). The H-13 didn't appear until after WWII. Project Galba could feature Bell H-13/HTL, Sikorsky H-5/HO3S-1, HO5S-1, H-19/HRS and Hiller H-23s.

SoW:BoB is planned to have a Cierva autogyro in it. The autogyro may even become flyable.

This may well pave the way for a Kamov A-7 autogyro (the most heavily armed autogyro to see service during the war...)

Britain, France, the Soviet Union and Japan all employed autogiros on the battlefield in WWII. Their wartime contribution was fairly inconsequential, though Japan claimed an American sub sunk by a Kayaba (seems like a stretch).

So you were talking about future add-on like Korea - an not Bob?

Sure.... lol

i think the German Focke-Wulf Fw 61 might technically be labled a helicopter and not gyrocopter (and made its initial flight in June 1936) , but somebody with more factual knowledge might want to comment

http://www.aviastar.org/foto/fw-61.jpg

from http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/fw-61.php

Yes, it's often regarded as the first "successful" helicopter (whatever that means). Only two were built and it's primary service to the Third Reich was for propaganda. It eventually led to the Fa 223, which was a promising, if over-complex design that never lived up to its potential, given that Germany had more serious concerns than helicopter production by 1942.

Hanna Reitsch flies the Fw61:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDZxXheJGnU

someone shoot him. please...oleg already said fly saucers will be in the first bob update.

I want one of these:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0E6Yh_mSx8&

At SAS there are helicopters and jetman.....

slightly disturbing to see how she gets tittilated and exited speaking about the memories of her beloved nazi general and the warmongering industrialists

It's actually a bundle since it comes with nazi-ufo-base Antarctica map.

There were some early Sikorski operationally used for rescue duties in Birmany during WWII.

Yep...she was a true believer to the end.

Actually it's a good question and would be a beneficial addition to the sim, far from being in the same league as antartica-based UFOs or other fantasy scenarios.

After all he didn't demand a chopper on release, he just asked if it's possible to some day have choppers in the simulator's engine which, judging from the long-confirmed knowledge of an upcoming Korean war add-on, is something that would be useful in the context of it.

New mission builder triggers + cessna o-1 birddogs + skyraider + helicopters = awesome pilot rescue missions in multiplayer ;)

interesting read, thx for posting it !

i know! I know!

NINJAS !

They TOTALLY should be in too!

YEAH !

Well Autogyros did play an important part in the Battle of Britain.

They were also active in the lead up to the Battle of Moscow.

Helicopters proper were also used in Korea.

So the only place (for which a sim is planned) where rotary winged aircraft are completely out of place is the Mediterranean.

What part of "planned Korean war add-on" is giving you comprehension troubles? :-P

Just because it's not a priority for BoB doesn't mean it's a completely useless addition. We already have an autogyro in SoW after all and all they did was calibrate radars which were, oh i don't know, maybe one of the most important tools in deciding the battle's outcome? ;)

Sure, most probably we'll only be flying it on custom made missions with triggers and it won't have much combat relevance, but it's such an exotic aircraft that finding a valid excuse to include it in the planeset is a noteworthy decision.

To be honest, i've reached a point where i'm more interested in studying and flying the aircraft, whatever that may be, instead of just engaging into combat with no real knowledge of what i'm driving and why it works the way it does. If triggered objectives are incorporated into a revised multiplayer mode with long-running campaigns, i think i'll be spending much more time flying weird planes or weird missions, at the very least multi-engined bombers, than duking it out in single seaters every single time. Depending on the success of the series and what future add-ons might bring, i think i'll be spending most of my time chasing U-boats in a Catalina, flying agents to France in a Lysander, flying photo-recon, marking targets as a pathfinder or going on raids with Mosquitos. In 18 years of simming i've seen all kinds of simulated single seater combat, it's the obscure stuff i'm itching to know about now.

Who knows, maybe i'm getting old, but i've come to appreciate the satisfaction i get when getting a win almost purely due to superior planning instead of superior combat skill :-P

Interesting info about the Soviet autogyros as well Avinimus, i had no idea they were used in combat or even existed for that matter.

Ah the good ol' days. If it weren't for those pesky allies ruining everything, the world would be so much better now, free from man's failures.

haha that thing could actually attack efficiently? it looks funny to say the least:grin: would be very cool to have, but I´d rather have more variants of the BF-109 or more flyables then concentrating on a autogyro system integrated in the BATTLE OF BRITAIN, I can see why you want this for further addons, and I believe there will be..

If you want to fly a helicopter try KA-50 Black Shark, good fun if you really like helicopters.

There is an old helo sim out there that not many knows about. It had major bugs, and the missions felt static and was over fast but the imersion of it was great...whirlwinds over vietnam......

When 1c dropped it from there site i desperatly tryed to get my hands on some of the tools (was werry simulare to Tiger vs T-34 in structure) but i failed....

That helo sim had potentional, i knew what i would do with it but hit a brick wall trying to talk to the devs.....

There is nothing like a UH-1 gunship flying over jungle with everything from miniguns to rockets blazing.....

if anyone read this and who have some contact to the team behind Whirlwind over vietnam please send me PM....i stil would like to bug fix and mod the crackzz out of that game....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=df-34U_MRfI

Ltbear

Is that 'The' LZ X-Ray they're talking about in that video? The Ia Drang one?

No, I'll never forgive DCS:BS ;)

Without a top-of-the-line joystick it is impossible to effectively deploy unguided rockets in that sim. With a top-of-the-line joystick it is supposed to be almost as hard.

I still fly it sometimes - without any weapons.

I like rockets.

As for Autogyro's, Oleg implied many months ago that he had tried flying one and it is supposed to be a very intriguing experience. I'd prefer a flyable lysander, but civil aviation has its charms.

Hey kids,for what I konw,the R-4 was used in pacific.
The Kayaba IDK how much was.

And I found two videos of the matter.I would said it is possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBz3C0xKbdg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXpLl...eature=related

Yes we are developing autogyro that was in a service of many european countries, including UK, Germany and Italy. And it was built by license from Italy :)

I hope to get it in release. Flyable. Two seater.

Russians also used own autogyro A-7... and someone also started it in the past for Il-2, but not finished.
A7 used in a Battle for Moscow.

Cool! :):):)
Interesting to try the FM they did :):)

Yes yes.. thanks for clearing that up for me man.. i just think it would bring a whole new nice little gameplay into it too. (not that I dont like the current gameplay). Plus, Ive been craving a good modern combat helicopter simulator for a while now. I know Oleg could do it!

awww man thats cool

Shhh Oleg. They don't like people talking about mods here. ;)

Well, seeing as you've mentioned them, I'l probably just about get away with saying that they are a pig to fly well, at least to start with. So probably accurate in that regard at least. Apparently the modders struggled for months to get them to work, but they seem to handle more or less correctly, from what real chopper pilots have said. I'm sure someone will tell you where to find them, so give it a go. :grin:

w o w

That is very awesome Oleg. Wooo hooo

Er...do you think Oleg got angry?

angry about what?
What are you talking about

Creator Channel "Falkiten"
http://www.youtube.com/user/flakiten.../1/bonRbt4JJ2U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bonRbt4JJ2U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYmhP8dnuGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LnNh...layer_embedded
Beautiful bird
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That was more than quite impressive!
But S-55 is too late for WWII...

I just watched the interview by the way, i had forgotten about it.

To tell you the truth i don't know what her political beliefs were, but she didn't come off that way to me. What i saw was an old lady who had done some pretty impressive stuff in her day and even in her old age being enthusiastic about aviation and technology.

I don't know if she was a member of the party but simply flight testing some stuff doesn't make her an accomplice, just like explaining relativity doesn't make Einstein responsible for Hiroshima.

The way it usually happens is that scientists, engineers and testers collaborate to give us all sorts of useful new things that the governments will later use in the wrong way, usually to kill each other off :-P

Also, the general she refers to was Ernst Udet. I think he was not a member of the nazi party, or at least was a secret objector to the regime, as he ended up taking his own life in 1941 or thereabouts. It's the same Ernst Udet that started flying in WWI at the age of 16, became an ace and survived the war, toured the US in the 30s giving aerobatic and aviation performances and so on.
Come to think of it, a guy who has lived such an interesting and accomplished life and managed to defy death in so many occasions, must have been either terribly depressed or very disagreeable to the way things were being done to end up commiting suicide.

Hanna Reitsch was hardly an innocent 'scientist, engineer or tester' during the Third Reich:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanna_Reitsch

We can make a long list of justifications for including
these beautiful birds in WWII

The S55 = korea :grin:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flettner_Fl_282
http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/models/...ttner-282.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdYPQLvuJh8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARN2kjjL6So&feature

@ Oleg
Oleg sorry for talking about these birds modeled, is that I enjoy many of these birds in flight simulator. As many as IL2 or Stuka
If you're upset I delete my answers.
Greetings

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Boys Do not deface this topic with discussions that do not correspond.
Greetings

You guys know that helicopters didnt play any significant role in ww2??

Am I the only one here who remembers that Oleg said that SOW's engine is made in such a way as to include coding for technology that is modern?
What I mean is that I seem to remember him using 'Nam and even some modern tech as examples of what the engine is capable of, so I'm crossing my fingers that I some day will be able to get an order to skim the treetops in my AH-1W Cobra from my flightleader:)
A Sandy, F-4 and a couple of Mig's would keep me busy for quite a while, but flying an AH would be really REALLY cool if the series ever goes to 'Nam:)

It is actually much more likely than the jets (much less avionics etc.)

My own guess is that Oleg and is programmers wanted to try pushing their flight model and thought it would be fun to have something that goes "whirrrrr". Autogyros just happen to fit the correct time period.

It is interesting that my guess about the A-7 being a possibility for SoW:BoM appears to be right (although Oleg has only hinted that it might not be inappropriate for the map).

I'd love to shoot down choppers in SoW. There wasn't that many around during WW2 though so including them shouldn't exactly be a priority IMO.

Mash took place in the Korean War... Just a few years difference than WWII and BOB