SoW: Battle for Moscow and other Igromir news
 

I couldn’t face ploughing beyond the 63rd page of DRM/publisher arguments so I started a new thread with some pretty pictures :)

Notice anything interesting in this snap? Welcome to the Battle for Moscow peeps :D (presumably No3 in the SoW series) Битва за Москву

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...3/IMG_0103.jpg

The big top going up at Igromir...

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1C dwarfed by Xbox 360

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Well so much for the behind-closed-doors, embargoed industry-only sneak peak. Looks pretty open to me!

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...3/DSCF8005.jpg

Hello Luthier :)

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...2a88c0e7_o.jpg

Judging by the response though, the overall experience seems to fall short of thrilling. Dare I say it’s wasted on kids clearly of the PlayStation persuasion?

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...1259874_XL.jpg

Back to the game – it appears aircraft location arrows can now be implemented in full cockpit view. Hopefully (presumably!) you can switch this off server-end.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...3536642_XL.jpg

Luither’s presentation:

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And what’s this? A carrier? Looks like someone mixed up their PowerPoint files with an old Pacific Fighters presentation ;) :D

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...3/DSCF8011.jpg

Some of the pictures must be photoshopped.I saw girls there.

They had Staff passes! They had to be paid to be there!

Cheers!

Copied this link over at BFs forums. :)

heh no worries. should have posted there in the first place :P

nice. any videos?

http://gameguru.ru/articles/945/view.html

19mins in, but my Russian is a bit rusty!

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...nyshko33/5.jpg

copyright of Mr Maddox and a moment of weakness for Mr Shevchenko

Rusty!
 

Hey I dont even know how to say vodka in Russian!

Regards

Viking

That shot of the Spits flying past the cliffs looks awesome :)

Looks good. Encouraging to see them getting to the presentation stage.

LOL @ Ilya. I hope his wife doesn't see that photo or there'll be wife-ack in epic dimensions when he gets home. :mrgreen:

Not to worry, they live in Ca. it's a whole different world out there.

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=65178
many screenshots :)

So, finally, the aerobatic Sukhoi is included !

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.ph...6&d=1288865935

Another title on display here on the left side - possibly the mysterious next release/addon/expansion? "Wings of Victory" and from the Sturmovik makers... (Oleg apparently confirmed that there's another title in production apart from "Battle for Moscow" here: http://simhq.com/_air13/air_465a.html)

Yes speculation is fun :) I guess we'll have more solid info in the next few days, if not later today...

No, this is not a product title. It's an advertising of all-Russia IL-2 championship finale, which will be held there during the fair.

I'll save it for the next time, DT will need something of him. Then we could blackmail him. :lol:

Nice thanks for that,

I see - thanks for clearing that up. False alarm, for now ;)

I have never hated some many people at one time as those kids playing SOW :)

Lol, you just say vodka, it's a russian word ...:rolleyes:

The menu screens look exciting.

Voo-h-odka:

Listen here:

http://tts.imtranslator.net/DA0H

This shoot is from IL2 or SoW? Thank for the link.

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/showthread.php?t=65178

http://www.150gct.it/users/150GCT_Veltro/NUVOLE-BOB.jpg

SoW BoB.

The clouds are *facepalm*

keep going. The next lesson is to pronounce Il2 in Russian - "IL-DVA SHTURMOVIK" ;)

:confused:

Attachment 3845

WTF?

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.ph...7&d=1288883711

Pearl Harbour?

maybe a girl needed to be saved? :D LOLLLL well i wanted say something else about the girl but i better shut my mouth :rolleyes:

I hope that's the control column in his hand....

The thread has been updated with some videos:

http://sukhoi.ru/forum/showpost.php?...4&postcount=22

Looks like there's still some room for optimization :-P Love the ground detail though (as far as it can be judged in a wobbly iPhone recording).

Oh my, those vids are nice. The interface looks to be very intuitive.

Splitter

SoW:WoW

That is the best update we ever had!!
It looks so much better than all the individual parts.

I want one!

:) :) :)

One only Emil? Bf-109E-3?

Landscape seems to be much better.

That is old news...

What actually worries me is the fact that even the presentation machines seam to be unable to cope with the game. Some pretty major stutters in the last two videos.

;) Not sure about the trees on the beach under the cliffs LOL :-)I know it's all WIP :-P

Looks bleeding gorgeous. That really looks like my dream sim.
Now the landscape and clouds just need a bit of tweaking and for me visual perfection will be reached.

Nice windshield reflections !! ;) :grin::grin::grin:


http://sukhoi.ru/forum/attachment.ph...7&d=1288883711

Sry, I cannot reduce picture size, might someone teach me how?

I think it was said the machines they are using only have 2 GB's of ram.

One of the team member said that presentation machines are: core i7, Nvidia 460 with 2Gb RAM. And 2Gb is not enough to run game smoothly on max settings. The framerate was ok over the sea, but very low over the land.

Cazador, tienes que editarla manualmente y subirla tu de nuevo
o ponerla entre [SPOIL ER][/SPOIL ER]

/Sorry for Spanish http://imgur.com/xlwhB.png

The videos... the frame rate went pretty low, but the landscape!
I feel very sad now, because
1) that looks too good
2) I don't have the money to buy a pc which runs that, as it seems the even the game developers don't have!:rolleyes:

Thanks for the clarification guys :)

Agree! best update EVARZ! Is the Walrus flyable? Anybody notice the question marked secret plane? Great stuff :grin:

It's the Su-26. Just seems to miss the menu item image.

Any info about the clouds? Are WIP or not? Seems excatly like in IL2.

Dornier on that screen! Please God (and Oleg) make the Dornier 17 flyable!
And I agree,best update so far!

I would like to urge everybody who's worried about game performance to calm down. It's in a BETA state, for all we know they might not even have started optimizing the code yet. I have a ATI HD 4670 card "only" and have no plans whatsoever to upgrade until I've actually tried the game on my own computer. But thats just me :cool:

Yep, no reason to panic. Stutters indicate there's a memory issue; issues with the rendering performance would show a more constant FPS drop. On the other hand this is probably free flight mode with not much else going on yet.

Anyway it's a beta probably running debug code so there is no way to judge the final performance from that.

i5 apparently:


http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showpost....&postcount=109

Luthier complained on Sukhoi.ru about PCs config, they were leased to by fair owners. The problem is with the RAM, which is only 2GB, while min.requirement is 3GB. That is why it stutters over the ground (loads textures for ground and buildings).

Wow! I was looking at a PC with a similar spec. Crossed fingers it'd run the game nice and smooth with more RAM ;)

It's just a link to the original picture. I meant something like [size=800,600] or so after the [IMG] command, but I do not know exactly what.

Gracias!

LOL!

Weren't you the guy who alway asked for more complicated graphics?
Trees suck!
Clouds suck!
Fields, just wrong.

And you seriously thought you can have all that and get away with such an eco pc?

*still ROFL!*

Wow that video with the 110 flying next to the cliffs was amazing! I am for sure going to have a blast just flying around in this sim, dogfighting will just be icing on the cake.

The cockpits look great, the shadows make it seem very realistic. The water and waves are great too. It's so nice to see hilly terrain, cliffs, just blows IL2 away.

Like others my only nitpick is the clouds from those videos, but this is WIP, and we have no idea the graphic settings, weather effects used, or whatever, so I'm not concerned.

The interface looks very nice too, major stepup from IL2. Well done Oleg and team!

Anything I ever said needed improvement would not neccesarily require a super-PC. Clouds; all that I said was a simple model tweak (flat cloud base).
Fields; improved textures and improved hedgerows.
Trees; more rounded in shape to match English trees (but this seems to have been achieved).
And there we have it. So yes, LOL, ROFL, scream with glee like a child all you want. I haven't asked for anything that can't be done with current systems.
And an eco-PC? When did I say I wasn't looking at buying another PC that's better for SoW and using this one for work? I didn't, so before you get all excited, maybe you need to be a bit more logical before jumping to conclusions.

Thanks.

Back to the actual exciting news, and not jumping on forum members in order to spur argument. It's people like you that cause topics to go tits up.

It would be nice that Oleg makes a business like Eagle Dinamics, a open beta paying it before(for the full game) ( but I wouldnt buy it because I like boxed version of Bob:sow if it is released)

Oleg should hire you!
Definitely - yesterday.


-> I was looking at a PC with a similar spec. Crossed fingers it'd run the game nice and smooth with more RAM

So it's your work pc you want Sow to run smooth on?
Plus the other game pc?
Then why do you care about the first one?

To make a flat cloudbase with round primitives requires more of them --> potential performance loss.

Again, hedgerows consist of hedge objects, except if you draw them into the texture, which Oleg is not a big fan of apparently (and fortunately :)).

Now I'm not against these changes - in fact I'd welcome them - but there are no free meals, and you shouldn't assume that those are "simple tweaks".

Gotta love convention rules. I have gotten screwed a few times at expos because I had to use "their" equipment or labor. Totally understood.

Splitter

Well, B-less mah soul whatsa wrong with me?
I can't seem to find a dumdumdidee
A thingummidoodah and a deedeedidee
I'm in love, uh.
I'm all shook up,
Ahoohoo... oo-oo........ yeh....yeh...yeh.

Oh Lord, I seem to have lost all my marbles.

But my PC is gonna cope ok.

Awesome update. I am so wound up I'll have to drink lots of beer to calm down.

Any excuse for a pint :)

Well, yes, true.:grin:

looking at the vids again...landscape looks much better to my eyes, the sea looks great but what caught my eye was how well the haze on the horizon looks :) plus the landscape seems to curve very well, blending the hills and fields very nicely.

It all looked fantastic to me, in fact the stuttering 2 gigs allowed the odd static glimpse of what the landscape really looks like.
If only there'd been more clouds for Phillip.ed...........:rolleyes::grin:

I think I know where the pilot on the box is coming from, looks like the guy from Dark Blue World


http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23..._412406262.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a23...ty_sally31.jpg

Hey, can't a chap run the game on a work PC? many people do, even if they have a seperate gaming rig set aside for serious gaming.
But I'm just being pedantic, clearly. Not all of us are made of money, and I'm not some tech nerd. from what I could see, such a rig was quite good and from reviews i've read on overclockers, can run crysis maxed out etc.
A year or two ago I had one chap try and convince me, on an Il-2 forum, that SoW would easily run on a gaming system of that time (this is pre DX11) His argument was that games nowadays are much better optimized for the current technology. Whether or not he is correct, at least SoW can run on such a system.
I mean, the tweaks that I think need to be make are hardly groundbreaking. If a hedge was one object it could run with a higher fps than a few trees, and so if there were, say, a dozen hedges on screen, I can't see that causing a huge performance drop. As for clouds, well, in every sense the way the model would be changed to give a flat bottom would trim it of the excess at the base; thus making it smaller. This might cause more of a performance drop, but it's been done in other sims, and I can't see it being an issue...
my point is that I'm not asking for the map to be littered with craters 30ft deep. These are just cosmetic details; they aren't groundbreaking.

Anyway, I don't want to argue about this. I'm really enjoying watching the progress of this sim and tbh i don't care what you think about my opinions; or what you care about things I've said in the past. please, this is the internet, not real life; i have nothing to prove to you, so stop caring. :cool:

:grin:

Ah those models from Kent.

No old boy, looks like somewhere gloomy up-north.

Hey Phil, when you get to 1000 posts, will you become a Very Senior Member?
Or do they use an alternative euphemism?:grin:

Me too please. ;)

No, I'll probably be banned and told to step outside to remember what fresh air is :D
I never thought I'd have such a high post-count. It's because of the excitement of SoW (and also because I repeat myself quite alot)

back on topic.... :o

Very good news, but please, for the love of all that is good, stop posting images that are so huge. One image that has been posted twice here is over 2000 pixels wide. :roll: Show some respect for the other members here.

The He-59, Lysander and Autogyro appear to be missing as well.

I'm pretty sure the clouds are also WIP.

I think we have a new fan name.

Is there any one location to view all video and images as they come? i think I've seen all the videos so far posted, but how does one know?

Seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtynupR1-eA

has been posted already.

Aye, but worthy of a repost in case anyone missed it ;)
It's times like this I wished I knew Russian.

Too right, has me thinking of learning the lingo lol :)

Google translate is only a poor substitute, but you can still get some interesting info between the noise. And Oleg has also posted some comments.

"When the bombing on the ground of each explosion formed a crater clearly. Explosions themselves are very beautiful. Elijah showed a layout machine-gun belts. From the presented set of historic ordnance can fill a tape completely independently of their wishes. Although the entire tape without tracers stuff."

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...iRpbLnFZZJFgsA

If it's really a geometric 3D crater I am so happy with it :grin:

Another short video.
And: http://spread-wings.ru/index.php?opt...=355&Itemid=43

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67kAczLHcXg

Thanks hecke:), wow I think I'm going to faint, I haven't seen so many actual ingame footage in 6 years then in this one day:grin:

It shows how little people actually understand about the ratio personal wishes vs. computer needs that result from it. I had a good laugh too.

Some of the 'noise' is priceless:


3. How bots talk (I mean the sound)?

... As the guys have said - the sound of horseradish estimate - around a wild hullabaloo ...


Hasn't stopped me wading through 15 pages worth of this crap though - looking for the next 'nugget' !! :)

Day 2:

http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_466a.html

don't know if this has been put up yet - too much to keep track of today - another 'nugget':

When the bombing on the ground of each explosion formed a crater clearly. Explosions themselves are very beautiful.
Elijah showed a layout machine-gun belts. From the presented set of historic ordnance can fill a tape completely independently of their wishes. Although the entire tape without tracers stuff.

I take that to mean that there is choice regarding ammo belt configuration (?)!


LINK:
http://translate.google.com/translat...ate.google.com

my head is obviously fried - Kraken posted this on the previous page - and I actually quoted his post in my last response! Time to log off! :)

Well try searching youtube for Битва за Британию and arrange by order of upload ;)

The water looks great in that video wow. Love the waves. Can't wait to see an angry sea in some bad weather. :)

For those who missed it on the other thread, the reason things are a bit of slideshow over land were outlined the day before the expo by Luthier on the Sukhoi forum

Должен всех предупредить. Компы нам подсунули слегка не те, которые мы ожидали. Узнали мы, естественно, вчера. Компы новейшие, core i7, Nvidia 460, но... Всего 2 гига памяти. Какой-то нонсенс, а не компы. А с двумя гигами, на основной гигантской карте на максимальных установках в 1920х1080 оно быстро летает только над водой.

Так что у нас была дилема. Или урезать установки и разрешение, и порхать, или показывать максимальное графическое декаденство, но тормозить. Выбрали мы второе.


Must notify all. Comp us slipped slightly off, which we expected. We learned, of course, yesterday. Comp newest, core i7, Nvidia 460, but ... Only 2 gig of memory. Some nonsense, and not component. A two-gigami, the main giant map on maximum settings at 1920x1080, it quickly flies just above the water.

So we had a dilemma. Or curtail the installation and resolution, and flit, or show the maximum graphic decadent, but slow. We chose the latter.

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a lot of stuttering here!!! maybe low end machine?
anyway great landscape
ciao

Fantastic, and the best video of the terrain yet seen.

If it is this good WHY have they been showing us those flawed screenshots and stirring up all that debate for so long???!!!

Easily surpasses any other flight sim that I've seen. :grin:

and...perfect colours too

Read the prior posts here. :rolleyes:

I'm sure Oleg enjoyed that :-P But actually there's nothing in those videos that hasn't been shown already one way or the other. But ok, it does make a difference to have everything integrated and in motion!

Hard to say based on over-/underexposed iPhone videos. I'm sure people will find reason to complain again soon ;)