Mig-3
 

I've seen this video and some photos of a restored MiG-3 at MAKS,does anyone know where it resides? Looks like a beautiful restoration but not much other information since 2007, it sure is a sleek looking plane IRL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gv3RLInrwA

Novosibirsk.

Currently it's Allison powered, but they are working on restoration of original AM-38.

Is there a chance that the 'restored' (higher detail model) Mig-3 from Sukhoi.ru will be included in future TD updates? Or that the modified cockpit with the new windscreen for the UB and ShVAK variants will appear? That is what I want to know...

AM-38?

Not the AM-35?
What is behind that decision?

Thanks for the info, I found several magazine articles since then, I wonder how progress is going with the AM-38. Does the current day MiG company (or as I understand it, merged company now?) contribute any money to this I wonder. There are a few older planes in Il2 that need sprucing up (mig-3, R-10, il2 etc.) but I suspect TD has their hands full at the moment, so I guess I'd better start learning Gmax.

Prabably because there must not be many AM-35s lying around. Remember, AM-38 powered the Il-2, plane made in huge numbers (36000+). The AM-35 on the other hand was mainly used in MiG-3s (3100 made) and early Pe-8s (very few made), and most likely very few survived the war.

I doubt about money, but there were talks, that MiG helped them with original reference material.

Gmax is no go. 3DS Max 5 or 9 is only way.

Well, actually, both. :)

Both types are extremely rare, so that is what they have. They are trying to restore both engines which were recovered from wrecks. As far, as I heard, they even did AM-35 fire test, but it failed and suffered serious brakedown.

Here's the site of Aviarestavratzia which is restorer and current owner of the MiG.

http://www.rusavia.com/data/services/repair/

Check the movie on this page:

http://www.infox.ru/authority/defenc...e_samoly.phtml

The second half is about restoring the MiG-3

I saw you guys mentioning this site and the IL2 threads on it.
Is it the site from the legendary russian aircraft company Sukhoi?

I guess it will depend on if they went with the usual MOD approach and went way beyond conventional IL-2 requirements or if it was done with retail requirements in mind. I haven't seen it... can you PM me a link. Love to have a look :)

The MiG-3 and Ju-87 probably have the most outdated cockpits in-game. Everything else that was a part of the game when those were introduced has since been upgraded to some extent.

My vote for worst cockpit in game is the PZL P11c. What a visual nightmare.

Now, back on topic, I have always loved the look of the Mig 3. It has serious "stationary velocity", if you know what I mean.

It was also the very first bird I flew when I installed IL2 way back in December of 2001.

True... P.11 a nightmare for sure!

Stationary velocity... I like it. Yeah it's a fast mover when it gets going but it doesn't want to change directions very easily. It's very much an interceptor and not a very good fighter. You can see why it was consigned to early war engagements only and was phased out later.

Great movie, thanks for the info.

No. This is a fan site. It was started something like 11 or so years ago by a fan of "Su-27" game (the first one in ED series). However, the site is also dedicated to general aviation as well. One can say, it is the most popular Russian site about aircraft simulation games and related stuff. Something, like Russian SimHQ. :)

About new MiG-3 model and Sukhoi.ru: there is nothing like that on this site, more over, this site does not support IL-2 modding and discussion of mods is prohibited there.

Sorry, it was at Aviaskins (the working group is rebuilding the model from scratch and Vert has fixed the 2xUD and 2xShVAK canopies).

Did the real Mig 3 really have the non existant elevators like the in game version?

Honestly I cannot imagine building a fighter that has what amounts to no elevators.

For a start, it's not very well modeled, though much better, then the original one. But that's not a big problem. However, I don't see a reason to change only one MiG-3 version out of several, we have in game. So, if they will enhance all MiG-3 externals in the game - that's another deal. And finally, they didn't suggest this project for inclusion into the official patch/add-on. Without their will and permission, no one can just take it and include it.

We'll see.

Yes, I can certainly see the logic. I was mainly interested to see if any plans were already in the works. I'm sentimental about the old Mig-3 model anyway. I wouldn't really want it to be replaced.

Vert's new cockpits are good - I'm glad you're aware of them and that they are under consideration. It always seemed like a giant omission to be staring through the Mig-3U cockpit (especially when the models don't match).

Well, it is a high speed design. The long engine means that you can already get some quite odd (and useful) behaviours at high angles of attack. In my own experience I've never felt that I needed more powerful elevators (compared to the Lavochkin's poor responsiveness in pitch, for instance).

Having control surfaces that don't separate from the plane at 720kph on the other hand... would be nice.

:confused:

At speed I think any medium bomber in the game has more elevator authority than the Mig-3. I find it difficult to accept this on the face of it.

I'm just wondering what the real bird was like.

Maybe the elevators stiffened up at speed, other planes did that (was it ailerons on the Spitfire?), I find the MiG turns quite well (compared to the 109E) if you keep the speed down.

Check out this link:

http://hansebund.ru/forum/index.php/...n.html#msg5413

Thanks for the great link!!!

It sure is a beautiful aircraft.

Thanks for the link, great pics. Such a good restoration but the airfield looks like it's been abandoned, is this common in russia? It's funny how it looks like such a modern design but from what I've read it couldn't compete in dogfights with the Bf 109, I wonder if it was the pilot training or the aircraft that caused that.

I've been flying the Mig for a bit in Il2 and its not a bad plane, esp. the 2xShvaK model, it's no La-5 but was it really this good IRL? But of course the 3d model and esp. the cockpit are dated.

As far, as I can tell, this airfield belongs to some aircraft repair factory, which doesn't have need to maintain it to a highest standards. Besides, I wouldn't tell, it is in too bad shape if you look at the airstrip itself. It's just a tarmac in front of the Aviarestavratzia hangar, that looks abandoned. ;)

Commercial and military airfields are well maintained, though.

MiG-3 was designed as high-altitude interceptor. While previously most of the USSR fighters were aimed for a high maneuverability at low and medium alt. So, basically, it is the same story as with Japanese Ki-44. At the time, the plane become available, the VVS didn't have a suitable tactics for it. More over, when the war started it was forced by a circumstances to act in non-favorable conditions, for which it was not designed for.
However, some pilots, managed to use it's advantages and performed very well in it. One of the most famous Soviet aces, Pokrishkin earned his first victories in MiG-3 and kept it in high regard. But then again, he used a correct tactics for the plane, avoiding dogfights and using BnZ tactics.

I think, it's fairly well modeled form FM point of view.

I realy enjoy the mig-3. Weapons on it is kinda well...some good some bad......

It comes down to how you fly the plane. Normaly i go to some aviation site where i read about the planes operations, and try to adopt a flying style that is most suitet for the plane type.

What i in general are using is z&b in all planes, just work within the limitations of altitude and speed. Even the zero is a decent B&z`er if you keep it within its envolope...

The biggest isue we have from the RL war and our sim war is that we have the info on what some did wrong, or what they didnt figure out, so we can use the wastness of information to avoid the same errors, and that will make some planes look and fly better in a online world than reportet by RL history....

The Mig-3 ran into that problem for me on a online server last night, i shot down a few 109`s and ended up in a debate about FM`s and UFO`s.....

The biggest problem I have flying the MiG is that the armament is largely inadequate on normal front line models (1xUB and 2xShKAS) and it's maneuverability during a boom and zoom mean that if the enemy evades at all ... he'll get away. It's quite unlike other boom and zoom types that I'm used to. So I usually end up bleeding some speed to get a shot in and the 109 is also more agile. MiG has to be the most frustrating aircraft for me. The poor visibility for deflection gunnery doesn't help either :)

Any tips on overcoming these?

For the record I flew the entire MiG-3 campaign that comes with IL-2 1946 and it was a painful experience :)

Basically the PZL P11c was Il2's first ever officially approved user mod :D

If I remember correctly it was developed by an enthusiast and included as a bonus with the original IL2.

As far as i know the cockpit, damage model and FM have remained pretty much intact since the original version. The damage model is very strong you can ram with a PZL Pllc and rip wings off other planes and fly away intact. The main issue with the FM is that Vmax is substantially below what the real aircraft could achieve.

I don't have any tips on overcoming the poor armament, but its a dog at low alitudes. Like you said, once you build dive speed, you lose the maneuvarability to put the guns on target. This works fine with a real human who hasn't seen you dive on them, but of course with the AI you can't "bounce" them, they always know where you are.
I find that forcing the fight up instead of down works sometimes, and always use rudder and aileron together, it will help the roll a lot. It is one of the fastest 1941 aircraft in the game at high altitudes, faster than a 109F. I tend to disengage if the opponent goes down low, cuz you will have a tough time.

Must have been a real nightmare when MiG's were forced down low on tactical missions which is what the VVS was doing quite often. Indeed I've seen the MiG-3 in even the 1940 model act like a sort of hotrod as it can overtake many earlier types but it certainly has no ability to turn with them. It makes the FW190 look like a turn fighter sometimes :D

In my humble opinion, the MiG3 is an energy fighter, not a boom and zoomer. If you have too much speed, climb. At moderate speeds it turns quite well, so go up rather than gain speed, if the enemy follows you up you'll out turn him.

I do prefer the twin SHVAK models, and so far I've only played offline.

Actually the P11C on introduction was almost an uber plane. It's FM did get significantly nerfed in one of the subsequent patches. I hope that DT has a look at it at some point.

Already does. But I don't see any relation between this and RL MiG-3...

S!

I would not even compare this brilliantly restored and meticulously done Mig-3 to a wartime product of the same type. Claiming they fly and perform the same or have the same quality of work is not true by far. It is great to see Mig-3 fly again, these restored warbirds bring history to life.