Just bought Wings of Prey
 

I couldn't take it any longer, just to tide me over till SOW finally ships.

I know it's sim-lite, but it's very pretty and if SOW ends up looking this good (or better), with all the extras. Ooohh, so excited.

you should have tried the demo first! i didn't like it and got bored right away, looks like the missions are scripted, i don't know it just didn't feel right, i even think that damage system is the same for all air crafts but again who am i to judge :roll: to each his own.

I did try the demo. I don't really care what the missions entail yet, I just like the flying about dogfighting.

It's really just for a quick fix to ease the wait for SOW.

Just out of interest, on Sim settings the FM feels ok to me (I'm no expert), how does it compare to IL2 as I think it's based on it?

What you should/could have done was to buy IL2 1946 instead maybe.

Then apply the patches to bring it up to current version v4.09m

Then download and install UP v2.01 mod pack

You will have many more objects aircraft and most importantly more maps.

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i also got bored; very quickly with wop. I do agree tho if SoW looks as good with everything else its packing... i'll be a very happy man.;)

FSX would be a far better choice. You could actually gain useful experience besides admiring pretty scenery.

Alpha, you're the first person I've seen in Il-2 who's actually requested for a landing :o Unless you were taking the piss :D

Wings of Prey=Pure crap:(

I bought it online, downloaded it, installed it, and removed it on the same day.

Actually offline I usually do. If you request a landing it seems like the ATC warn off the AI once you are on finals. Certainly does no harm to do it.

Also online

As I usually fly only coop missions it helps to use the command string

I have got IL2 and patched it to the latest and installed the latest ultra pack.

I know IL2 is better, I just wanted something that looked very nice that I could have a quick dogfight in, that looks like something close to what SOW will look like. And I've had quite a bit of fun in it.

My only query really was, as it was based on IL2 and had more sim-like options for the PC version, was is the FM and DM sort of respectable.

Judging by the backlash here, obviously not.

(also, I'm not saying current patch of IL2 looks bad, it's amazing for a 9 year old piece of software, but try as you might and for all it's shallowness, WOP does look lovely and very cinematic for a quick furball).

It does use IL2's FM, not sure about the DM. I never understood why there's so much animosity against WoP on this forum. It's a good 'light' sim with gorgeous visuals and it's not like we're spoilt for choice when it comes to sims so I support all flight sims and enjoy what they have to offer.

Childish comments like "it's crap" don't help anyone.

LOL, we hate "light" sims, and the visuals are crap IMO. All yellow and brown, very arcadish, and the hdr effects are completely overdone and don't belong there in the first place. Nowadays HDR, blooming, softening and color filtering are seemigly the last resort for game developers who just don't manage to put together a game that has its own visual originality.

IL2FB and ROF have their own visual styles.
BS and A-10 are interesting in this respect: very accurate and hardcore on the simming side, while the visuals - though extremely detailed - simply lack the artistic originality that is present in IL2FB and ROF. Google maps just doesn't cut it mapwise.
But Birds of Prey? I could puke every time i see a screenshot.

S!

not Birds of Pre, Wings of Prey. You can turn HDR off if you so wish. You sound like a fanboy and I already state I rate il2 above it for most aspects, that doesn't preclude me however from getting enjoyment from WOP.

I will of course drop it like a stone when SOW is released but as I only picked it up for £15 I consider it a bargain.

In all fairness, WOP was never marketed for the serious simmer. Out of the box it looks pretty and some people do like it and prefer it to Il1946 (which out of the box, unpatched, un modded, etc, looks inferior at first sight). I prefer IL1946 and consider it a far better product but it has had 10 years of improvements, mods, etc. Unfortunately, WOP was quickly abandoned by the Gajin team in favour of supposed sequel rather than trying to iron out the bugs and improve it. I don't like the 'activation' requirement (only being able to install it on one PC) but the bigest WOP failure is the MP - it is appalling!

AS for FM, I haven't played WOP enough (for obvious reasons) to draw a comparison between all the ac but something isn't quite right with my favourite Spit MK9 - I just haven't bothered to nail exactly what it is. If you like it then thats what really counts - I know of several SIM enthusiasts who prefer it to IL1946- they find it just too demanding to play/set up. WOP is 'Instant Coffee' and IL1946 is the perculated, filtered that takes a bit longer but has the flavour!

BTW IL1946 - Amazon - £5-00 - thats a steal let alone a bargain! Demo'd my IL1946 to a WOP devotee and he was gobsmacked!

mr71mb0,

Pay no attention to them. WoP has wonderful graphics, unless you are an "artiste". The big problem, for me, in WoP is the time limit. Otherwise, it can be a lot of fun, and you can take some great looking screenshots.

binky9

I might do it for the thrill of hearing tower's reply, but if I'm flying green 3 (for example) I never listen when I'm told to circle around :grin:

But for online I can see the sense.

Nope. Sorry mate, always do.
Everyone's always talking about 'immersion', how can a flight sim be immersive if you don't ask for permission to land?!
Or am I a really sad b*st*rd?!:confused::grin:

I think the WOP has FM issues related to the DM's aunty Susan, the SIM's a bit MP for my liking, but the AC's another story.

IL2 is cheap. And good. Do you work for the civil service, by the way?

Tab-8-4. I do it too. I THINK it keeps some wingmen from crashing into me but I wouldn't be surprised if it has no effect at all.

I've also been known to ask for permission to tak eoff :grin:

Splitter

Yes, i think that requesting landing clearance sets the AI wingmen from "follow the leader on his landing approach with my gear and flaps up, stall and crash into him" mode to "circle the field" mode.

I usually also order them to land when i'm safely on the ground or on finals, if they haven't yet hit the last waypoint where they automatically switch into a trail formation for landing.

If you want, I can link the full review at 'AVSIM Commercial FSX Sim Review' but here is a small section concerning the authors opinion of the FM in WOP.

"On Simulation mode, you see the most fidelity to realistic flight models, if that means anything. The fighters all tend to be universally nimble, armoured bombers are slow but absorb a lot of damage, and the jets are wicked fast. Horsepower rather than agility seems to set the fighters apart. When they stall, they all stall basically the same, and when they spin, you see the same spin more or less every time. Just mash on the opposite rudder and you should be okay. Crossing the controls (opposite stick and rudder) has no real effect which says to me that the flight models have been simplified at all levels."

WoP is IL2 ported over to the consoles as BoP, then ported back to PC as WoP. I'd be really surprised if they would keep the FMs at the level of IL2 because quite frankly, when you target a specific medium you have to make sure your software is usable with the prevailing user interface methods.

I guess 99% of PC virtual fliers own a joystick and that 1% who don't is the new guys to the hobby who are about to buy one. On the other hand, i doubt even 70% of the console crowd has joysticks (heck, the console compatible ones are a fairly new deal anyway), so something has to give if they want to make sure the player will manage to fly BoP with a gamepad.

+1

See my post above :D I, too, may do it for immersion; but I don't have the time usually to listen to the tower; especially when flying (say) 4 flights strong and I am at the very bottom of that hierarchy ;)

I must be even 'sadder', I have a macro on my stick for 'landing request'..........:grin:

:grin: !!!!

I can't wait to see what kind of commands we can have in SoW...

Ctrl Shift and G = toggle goggles.

:-P

:grin:

ctrl/shift/p - relief tube?
Oh no, you've already taken that.