Poll/PS3: Would you pay for German Cockpits?
 

Would you pay EUR/$ 10 to get all German fighter cockpits as DLC on the Playstation Store?

Have your say, please vote!

MAC

I surely do!!! thumb up!!

Its never going to happen mate unfortunately. The publishers just are not interested in putting any more money towards the title. It would cost them to have the DLC made available in the first place, and the outlay is something the suits simply wont allow.

When the publishers wont even pay for a 360 patch, you know its all over.

It's a found raising! The main idea is to send MACADEMIC flying a real P51 above the dev's head, trowing sacks of 10 euro money paper above them while looping.
Surely they will patch the game after that.

No I wouldn't but I'd happily pay £10 ( which is more than $10/€10 anyway) for the cockpits!!!!!
I would though rather spend my money on more aircraft, specifically in my case the Lancaster and Mosquito as these, being English, are as iconic as the spit or hurri. Why a bleinheim???? and not even the pretty mk1 either!!!
we can all vote to the cows come home but I know it's never going to happen so as much as I'll add my vote to the thread sadly it's only ever going to be for personal amusement.

If he was in a real 'stang then I'm pretty sure german virtual cockpits would be bottom of his list of priorities!!!!

Well, Vdomini guessed it right, if there's enough of a demand for it then it's a business proposition. The cockpits are all available, the developers have already made them for WOP. Thus this could be a WIN-WIN situation for everybody: devs, publishers and us, the community.

The battle plan is this: the community drums up enough support for it (votes), I'll then fly over (to) the devs as Vdomini suggested (perhaps not in a P-51 but some other quite impressive bird) since I'm always in their neighbourhood, and Vdomini knocks on 505s door in Milan with an offer they can't refuse to seal the deal - and Bingo!

So everybody, let's make some noise and give us your votes!

MAC

I voted yes ofcourse.

you are a true optimist where as i am a born pessimist. but sure you have my vote and i hope truely you prove me wrong.

As Gilly puts it, I rather believe the cows will be coming home before german cockpits happens so my vote goes to:

The Cows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44PUvoL70w

Pessimists
 

Hey all you pessimists out there.

:)

The question to vote about is not if you believe it to happen or not, just, if you could dare to imagine that it would, whether or not you would be willing to dish up the dough or not.

Anyway, all opinions are welcome.

MAC

I'm being a bit of a negative norman... But I wont pay for what should have been added in free patches...

it would also be super cool to have the possibility to customize your own plane!!!

Like... changing color... or, adding a custom logo on wing/nose! Wow...


okay okay.. i'm getting off topic!!

VOTE VOTE VOTE!!

Thanks God I'm not the only optimist here. See what our cousins over at WOP only recently got - customizable skins! For now they can only be viewed by the creator in a Multiplayer game, but the devs are speaking of a sequel which will include the same viewable for all players, plus full mission editor, and so on. Keep fingers crossed their chopper title under Activision will be a financial success and we may see a console version of the sequel.

Attached an example of a work in progress.

MAC

http://forum.yuplay.com/index.php?s=...ndpost&p=18413

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/k...rey/Helen3.jpg

That P51 is beautiful.

She sure is. But I'm sure she's spoken for.

This game, and this forum, is the best investment in personal entertainment I've ever done. A $100 has lasted a year, and still rolling! The hours spent online the last year I will not even bother to count... Would propably forced me to think 'Get a f*#' life!'

I would gladly invest a new $100 on any add-on to BoP.

Example
 

Thanks to all who have voted so far - please also spread the word when you're online, there are many many players who are not visiting this forum so often but who might also want to have a say.

Just so that all know what we're missing out on. Bf109-E3 dogfight from Cockpit perspective in Wings of Prey.

Enjoy!

MAC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeKqaccTmRM

yeeeeeeees!!!!!!!!!!!for sure

I couldn't agree more. The devolopers have given us such a great playground with this game, and incredible value for money. All pessimism aside, let's drum up our support for future products/releases/features, if anything it shows them our appreciation.

MAC

I agree Mac best hundred bucks I ve spent as well . A better question might be would you pay a for updates every say 60 days for this game to continue on line play. That would be an intersting way to make revenue on a sim. Every 60 Days you have to download a new update / map/ or plane .
This would then let you continue online play . I see that as a way to make sims more of a profitable genere. Less players but more dedicated so the residual profit potental is higher.

yes i would but the ONLY reason why is that you cant interact or just have a good chat with people on wop like you can on the psn.

teacher mac and vodkadomini,old warriors thanks a lot for all u do and will do!!!respect!!!

Lol i like VODKADOMINI :D

that would be my nickname while i'm flying LA and YAK lol ;)

But sadly i have to be carefull with vodka... last time i've drank it i've had too much and .... i felt asleep with my head on my fav pub counter :oops:

hahaha!!!!!!!!!!loooool!!!

Firstly the developers here are paid by 505 publishing; who have already made it clear that they are no longer funding any improvement to this game.
No matter how we pressure them here, 1c has been given something of a gag order by 505 publishing and cannot pay any real attention to this forum or its members with regards to birds of prey, as no payments are coming to them from 505 publishing to continue supporting this game with content and updates; the 1c company itself will be pursuing revenue from other games where it owns the rights completely and does not have to run everything past another company. It is unlikely if they will not pay to get the basic patch through microsoft QA; that they can afford to have anyhing else brought into either of the stores playstation store or xbox marketplace let alone the the cost of developing what you are asking for.
BoP is not the finished item we had hoped for, have some patience and wait for a sequel thats not published by 505 and that will more likely have the things you asked for i.e. all cockpits extra aircraft etc, just don't expect it to meet it's first or second release date good games seldom do.

Answer is YES, YES, YES!
 

Hope this works because those german cockpits would be great and we deserve them! :)

Good luck

oohh, dont forget to add locked cockpits please

Thanks Edal,

I was thinking about locked cockpits and some bug fixes too too but that would have to be a title update and not just DLC from the store - would have to be the same across the entire platform. If we are to have any chance with this, we have to ask for something which will bring them extra revenue, not just costs. So, for example a mission pack as DLC with German cockpits, and perhaps the Wings of Luftwaffe missions.

MAC

Thanks shadowcorp, we'll see. Just one question, a simple yes or no would do: are you on the inside of either of the relevant parties, i.e. Gaijin, 1C, 505 or another?

MAC

no i'm not involved in any of the said organisations,
But working as a QA in a video games studio has allowed me to understand how much a publisher is actually involved in the process; they are essentially the bank that fronts a project, without the publisher being on board theres no money to pay the developers to improve or initiate change within a game.

Thanks. Excuse my ignorance, what does QA stand for?

quality assurance....makes sure it is without fault, "user friendly" and the best product that can be sold. he should have worked for 505 :-P

MMhhhh if they aren't willing to patch the game, remember! There's always my PATCHING solution.....

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=15126

that's gonna work for sure!

:cool:

I never really fly in cockpit so wouldn't be bothered about buying german cockpits. I would pay over the odds for new aircraft like Lanc or Wellington or even new areas of combat like Market Garden or Overlord

Voted!

I haven't played online in the last months, but I still love this game and would gladly pay for german cockpits.
Vdomini, I live not far from Milan, so if you need an extra hand when crushin...knockin' 505 door let me know ;D

Maybe in the next generation of the game. But I don't think anyone can make a realistic cockpit for a Me-262 or other rare aircraft. Most German, Italian and Japaneese pilots who know what the planes look like on the inside are dead.

Hmm ... I don't believe cockpits for other aircrafts were designed using their pilots descriptions only. Most likely there were used some documents, photos etc. As far as i understand the question was not about new cockpits for german planes but about a transferring existing ones to BoP.

The planes are still around though..

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...kpit_color.jpg

262 cockpit

I would be willing to pay, I'm a german plane flying whore haha

I would Love a cockpit for my FW-190D-9! I Would love the accurate shots from this view. Zoom/Boom you dead! only thing left to chance is whether make you a Jigsaw puzzle or flamer or a Flaming Jigsaw puzzle!!:cool:

Well, first thing you would notice in a cockpit is that it's much harder to aim when you and your opponent are both locked in a high G maneuver. You often have to take a blind shot because the amount of lead you need to have any hope of hitting the target will take the target out of your sight and under your nose. Quite often I realize the opponent has maneuvered away while invisible. The real aces knew this and often waited for this moment to dodge our from a pursuer. Unfortunately in this game the pursuers planes are not accurately shown. They can shoot you when you look back and have a slight view on top of them (in a tight turn), while what you would need to see is a bit of their belly. Anyone else noticed that?

What does it mean? :-o Camming around while in cockpit looks fine to me

My vote is yes, just to help

Okay, then please place your vote on top of the page to make it count...

:)

Thanks, MAC

Most definately.But allas,we are the few,the flying the dreaming.lol I`t would certainly be nice.But I`m sure we have gotten all there is to get.

Doh...done! Guess I'd better clean my glasses:)

Just to move the poll on the first page again. If you haven't voted yet, please consider taking part in the poll.

Thanks,

MAC

voted :)

I would. I'd LOVE a cockpit for the Me 262.

I think the vote is pretty conclusive already. The majority would have paid extra for DLC cockpits. As this is now never going to be possible we might as well let this poll end.

I beg to disagree. We need to keep this fresh to see it happen. All who haven't voted yet, please do.

MAC

It's been ages, gents. I'm sure you can guess my vote. ;)

Great, thanks! Good to see you here again, you're one of the original crew of one year back! The game still holds its fascination, imagine how much better it would be with German cockpits!

MAC

:)

I don't understand what you mean "to see it happen" ? If you mean this vote has a chance of bringing us the cockpits you are bringing false hope. It is now imposible for any new update to BoP. The developers have split with the publishers 505 who own this game. 505 has absolutely no interest in BoP, They have moved on.

This vote has served its purpose last year, it had a clear result. Now it has no reason to continue.

Pope,

Unless you are working for/with either 505 or Gaijin, have been in contact with either of them on the subject within the past 14 days, or have some other source of intimate knowledge which you would like to disclose, kindly refrain from lecturing me.

Thanks,

MAC

no lecture needed here mac, the fact that anton is no longer allowed to converse with us on this forum is a clear indicator that this game has been abandoned by both devs and publishlers, and from a inside source at 505 (no names for liability reasons) 505 has no intention of funding any improvement to this game.
So this is little more than wishful thinking sorry mac.

Let's buy the rights from 505 guys!

Well done McQ59, you're thinking outside the box!

;)

MAC

An interesting feature would be when my Fw190-F8 gets shot down, flames appear in the cockpit and blood on the glass. I might pay for new cockpits then.

Thats a suggestion that got my vote........

I'll throw money in for that!

Get them to give us a figure, and we'll talk :) I can't code, but I can do Texture Artistry to a near photo quality level :) Who wants selectable liverys! :D

I want someone to accidentley leave a nice zip file lying around somewhere.

A USB stick in a brown envelope would also do.

If you can all wait till the end of the football season then Wookies gonna owe me a tenner so I'll donate that if needed..

Way 2 go guys! We might even reach Guinness book of records; First userowned consolegame ever!

What do we got here... A crashed plane, enthusiastic nerds from all over the planet, and a tenner from winnie. What could possibly go wrong? Is there a lawyer in the building to set up a proposition for a contract? This would really be a nice and funny mission! I got a few bucks stuck away somewhere...

That tenner will actually be headed my way from Winny but I don't think this takeover bid will work so I will be buying a Man City shirt with it

You'd loose that tenner anyway dk. Liverpool is gonna take it this season... yihaaa!

Yep you can take that to the bank.......As long as it's not RBS!

Lol
Liverpools future is depending on a court decision in Dallas Texas. I am sure there is a cowboy joke in there somewhere...

Yeah, we all know what a confused Texans can accomplish. Just tells me that nothing is impossible chaps. Even Oleg might be in for a good laugh...

Going down like a like an I-16 with no wings.

I'd pay Eur 10... or Eur 20... or more. No German cockpits is one of most serious drawbacks...

Only would bother if they included more fronts and planes, like Africa, Crimea, Finnland, France, Japan, Crete, etc. 20 Euros are not worth it unless you get more fronts and planes.

i wonder how far you could go with this. of course you would be able to patch and fix glitches....you could probably have add on missions where you can charge or give away. the il2 PC guys make up new missions all the time and add ac....makes me a little jealous.

Great to see McQ59's input has awoken such bold fantasies. However I'd just be happy to see German cockpits coming our way (PS3) within a reasonable period of time. There's of course more to it than meets the eye. Perhaps I can give an update on the situation shortly.

Meanwhile, please get as many people as you can to vote here. There are costs involved in making this happen, and we need to see a minimum of (pledged) commitment here.

Thanks.

MAC

Hey Mac

As of looking at early posts on this forum, there is a load of players absent per date that used to play the game and attend the forum.

Maybe its an idea to send them a PM as a reminder and ask them to vote ?

Hey Kav,

Are the cows coming home?

;)

No, seriously, I appreciate your input. I'm quite sure you'd be as happy as anyone to see it happen, and can't blame those who are sceptical about it.

Perhaps not such a bad idea you're having, although who knows if those who are not playing the game any longer would really buy, even if some would vote yes (which is a fairly loose commitment anyway).

I see a lot of new Arcade players around these days online, I have some hopes in them. I believe many don't find their way to this forum though, since the game directs players to the yuplay forum, which is rather dead for this game.

So here's an idea for all who want to help:

- send PM's to those you used to play with and ask them to vote
- send invites to the 1C company forum to online newbees you come accross via PSN messages.

Once again, thanks for your input KAV. Appreciate it.

MAC

I am sure this game will keep on recruiting players and pilots. I mean... I think Blazing Angels still are alive online. Believe it or not!

I think a good strategy to get new players in sim, is for the vets in there to go easy on the new ones. Give them a break, and do a little evasive flying in the beginning of a mission to see if they handle the mode. Let them even kill you a few times. Theres a lot of really good pilots in sim that really has nothing left to prove - and the only way to get new players to stay in the mo(o)d(e) is to give them a reason to get back. Turn on your mics and do a little tutoring in stead of shooting them straight out of the sky. My opinion anyway...

Amen Brother I have been saying this for a long time .

killing some one 15 or more times while they more then likely have not even been able to see your aircraft yet ( if its sim ) . Is no fun for victim and drives them away from the game . Same in realistic I watch the scores and will often try and place my self in front of a strugling player so that they at least can get one kill. 2 and 15 is so much less painfull it seems then 0 and 15

Good point McQ59, and if I may add, we should really tell the newbies about this forum, there's plenty of good information and always a helping hand around.
Hopefully we can keep this forum up for a long time to go. If you look at the number of entries, we're only barely behind IL-2 Sturmovik, which has been around much longer.

MAC

I really don't see much in a new player who shouts "Oh f*** a Communist how do I get rid of him?" as soon as you join a game.

To handle and ctrl my own feelings is a vital skill in this game as I see it. I think it goes for both the newbees and the aces.

(Go for the deck, count to 25, take a few deep breaths, identify the blabbermouth - and then go for a clean kill). ;)

Its just been going on for quite awhile.

Good news and bad news
 

Dear all,

I have some good news and some bad news.

Bad news first: There will be no DLC with German cockpits.

Good news: There will be a sequel within a year's time coming to consoles, which will include cockpits, and much, much more.

Thank you everybody for voting and your support. Believe me, I didn't leave anything untried to make the cockpits happen, but due to circumstances which I'm not free to talk about it's simply not possible. Please note that the source of the news is absolutely authentic, but unofficial, and I'm not able to give any further information at this time.

So everybody, let's continue playing this wonderful game as it is for now, and be ready for the sequel!

:-)

MAC

Great news MAC!
I will have absolutely no problem playing this beautiful game another year. Or maybe 2...

Thanks for the update MAC.

Will it be in the 1920s-40s era? I might not buy it otherwise.

There will be cockpits including German cockpits.

:)

MAC

Good good! I better get a new TV to go with it, the one I got is 8 years old. Know anything about bombers though? Will they have cockpits?

I don't know, I don't know...let's be surprised. But I'm sure it's going to be a fantastic product. Well worth a new TV.

;-)

MAC

Oh yeah way worth it for a sequel. I would like to shoot some 190s down with a B17 with a cockpit gunner view.

Yeah that would be awesome.

MAC

Launching from a carrier, floating planes, more game modes, missions and theatres, co op. Its chilling to think of what could be in the game and scarey what could not be.

I whole heartedly agree, McQ59. i started playing a sim game 1v1 the other night and the kid messages me and says he never sim before. so i suggested we just fly around to let him get used to the difference in controls and seeing the target. i would fly infront let him try to follow....then i had him shoot to get a sense of that. the whole idea is to enjoy the game experience. a couple people showed me this kindness when i started and it helped with the frustration factor. to beat someone up just because we can will sooner or later end in empty skies. keep them coming and maybe they will talk the game up to their friends...the more the merrier.

and mac...thanks for the update. good news another game to follow...

Its nice what you did Bobby. None the less...


Complete air supperiority over Nazi Germany! Comrades, victory is ours!! This deserves a air show above the Reichstag, lets shoot each other till were smoking and spell our names in the sky.

I'm afraid i'm with House when he said....
I don't want to sound disrepectful but..
Ive seen this so many times before on other game forums and it only causes trouble. You can't just come and give people good news without any information on how you know this. You were unaware that BoP is no longer suported and now suddenly you speak like you have inside knowllage. I wish it is true but I'm sorry, I cannot believe this without more evidence. I will gladly eat my words if you can tell us more on how you got this information.

:cool:

No problem Pope,

You and House can have your opinion on this. For some it's good news that there will be sequel to BOP, others may ignore it until an official announcement is made. You may also think of me what you want, but I don't owe you an explanation. And I can and will not say more in the subject than I already have.

MAC

BoP sold 6-700,000 copies worldwide? That's a fair number for a niche title so I can't see why a sequel is not in the works. The new Guitar Hero sold something like 80,000 copies in it's release window so that's a dead series, BoP will be back I am sure.

Just curious because I have no idea where to go to look at the stats, was that over both platforms wookie?

Yeah thats both 360 and PS3. There was a thread long ago where sales figures were discussed so that number had probably increased since then.
The sales on PS3 were about 80-100k higher hence the PS3 getting the patch due to higher user base (IIRC)

Edit:
Here are sales for PS3. 360 sales are on link on that page
http://www.vgchartz.com/game.php?id=34917

Perhaps I shall drive over to 1C HQ and start asking questions? I want to see if they have any of those free pens too..