QUESTION: Patch 4.10 state
 

Hello guys!
Pardon me if I missed a thing but what is the state of 4.10? Does it still in progress or frozen? 2 threads dedicated for this addon show no life sighns. So there are several possible conclusions:
1. It already done but someone waits for something. e.g. SoW:BoB release.
2. The project is frosen in some state.
3. The project was stopped and no one keeps work on it any more.
I'am a bit confused. Does anyone have some information?
Thanks.

None of the above. The patch is in beta testing, prior to release. It will be released when TD consider it in a fit state to do so.

1+

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1+ to what?

1+ to everything is ok and we will get updated whenever it is appropriate...
(Whoever decides what is appropriate and what is not)

or

1+ to "I'am a bit confused. Does anyone have some information?"

Salutes.

Dude, proper beta testing takes quite a while. Given the amount of new content in 4.10, I'm not surprised it has taken this long. If they rush the release, then we will have a buggy product that not many people will use until it is fixed, which would take...longer than the time to release the patch properly (because you would need to identify all the bugs first). Good things come to those who wait and I don't think you will be disappointed when the patch does come out. Patch 4.09 is generally accepted as an awesome addition to the game by most IL-2 users and it took a long time to come out as well.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

I think he wasn't disputing anything, but just being confused.
As in "does +1 mean that nearmiss agrees with the 1st post or the 2nd one?" ;)

Generally on internet forums, when someone says "+1" it's meant to indicate that the poster agrees with the post immediately above his own. In this case, nearmiss agrees with AndyJWest. Hope this clears it up :grin:

+1

Although I'm happily waiting for the release of 4.10 indy does a valid question.

I have been keeping a close eye on the boards and note that the last little bit of info posted from anyone on the TD "staff" was on the 31st of July.

As I type it's now 12:16 on the 26th August (Australian Eastern Standard Time) I feel that it wouldn't take someone a quick five minutes just to type a quick "testing is going well and is --% complete" or "we have found a bug, unfortunatley there may be a further small delay". Sometimes not hearing things can be disappointing.

Anyway if I offend anyone my apologies.

4.09 had an open beta which gave us early access but created a nightmare for online players with 4.08m servers 4.09b servers and mod servers all competing for players.

A limited beta test and a public release once fully tested seems the better way to go.

4. The project is being worked every single day. As much as everyone has time to spare after RL duties such as work and family.

Thanks Viikate.

And fully understand the RL issues as well.

May I be so bold as to ask how well it is travelling though?

Thanks Viikate. The question is off. But some more appeared:
What is the stage of testing - alpha, beta or pre-release? If the stage is beta or pre-release is it possible to made some kind of beta version increase involved testers amount?

Come on guys, I'm fed up with this, you know that everyone is waiting for this and yet still you refuse to release it!

I feel it's my duty to let everyone know that the real story is 4.10 but you are actually working on Patch 5 Final.

It will include A Zepplin, Bizmark, every 109 variant ever made, un-porked .50 calibres, real smoke and fire effects, FMB+++++, QMB++++++, Moving Dogfight Server, Very Moving Dogfight Server and Emotionally Crippling Dogfight Server.

The Heavies will all be flyable with accurately modeled Cockpits, the online will have friendly fire directed back at the person shooting it, there'll be a Mosquito Tsetse version, all P-38's and P-47 variants along with a B-26, B-52 and F-86 and Mig's.

All the above are due......but maybe I got that confused with patch 4.11?

Okay, reality check, guys, when it's done it's done. Looking forward to the results but I agree with you making sure it's as good as it can be, as you want time away from the forums to enjoy your labours, not have to fix a rivet 0.1 micron historically inaccurately placed!

Cheers, MP

We love you Daidalos team, keep on the hard work!!!!

An official patch with Zuti work and 6DOF is really needed online.

+1 to all your work, and if you need money, i will pay for your work.

BoB won't be a reality soon.

+1

Damn and I though you guys were secretly beta testing SOW.
Bang goes that theory :grin:

Mystic you gave me a grin there, for reasons probably not obvious to everyone. TD is working on this on their own time they aren't getting paid for it AFAIK. Testing requires lots of time and consistant mixing of possible variations to every aspect in order to weed out "breakage". But we are all very impatient types who just cannot wait for free presents from Santa, we all want to know when. But like some have stated, I'd rather it be finished and correct than rushed and buggy, wouldn't you?

S!

Been off playing RoF, EVE Online, KOTOR 2 etc. :D And MP, that was one hilarious description ;) Made my day!

Would everyone prefer a buggy patch that breaks a bunch of things and has some half finished additions?

Life goes on,while that.

Not awaiting for 4.10 in a sick manner anymore.

On the naval side do not forget the midget submarines, Graf Zepplin carrier, HMS Hood, Operation Sealion Rhine river barges and a selection of little boats for proper Dunkirk simulations.

Observant players will spot various famous personalities including Patton, Rommel (mounted in Grief), Guderian, Montgomery, Indianna Jones and Eisenhower driving around the battlefield. A special feature will be concert tours by the likes of Vera Lynn and Glenn Miller.

Tactical modifications include the ability to kill Tiger tanks by bouncing 0.50 cal off the ground and a special "ludicrous mode" that allows the P51D to perform like the movies.

New maps include Tibet, Casablanca complete with Humphrey Bogart and a fully detailed Rome map complete with his holiness the Pontif waving from his balcony in the Vatican.

There will be Apple OS, Linux and Nintendo Wii versions of the game.

2 weeks :D

Don't forget the ability to control your bailed out pilot, run to a tank or a car, drive around and recreate the battlefield with Modern Warfare Graphics modeled on the ground.

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I really do not get the point...:confused:

We do already have all those things some of you mention as "out of any reasonable expectation", as "what great opportunity to show my magnificent sense of irony".
A significant part of the community enjoys everyday those "out of mind requests", even quite a few more and many of those generous additions to the game have been developed by single efforts of people which are very well known in the virtual skies.

So what do I really expect from the 4.10 patch?

What I expect is the confirmation that the work done by the community it really is appreciated by the official staff of the game.
That additional support will be given to those who, mostly alone and in some “non formally acceptable way”, have insufflated unexpectedly new life to the game taking it far beyond anyone expected.
I really expect some few more things, but I think that by now you already have enough arguments to make ingenious comments which I sincerely value.

Forgive me, but I must say one more thing…
There is no reason to confront others in order to defend the game and how things are being handled.
Salutes.

What exactly you are talking about, who is community, who is official stuff and where is DT in all of that?

Again, make you post clear, who are you referring too, if you are talking about modders than say it so.

If you really talk about modders , only them fit “non formally acceptable way”,than DT position is clear and stated long ago. Anybody who he has something to offer, can do that but we are not going to encourage anybody to do things in a “non formally acceptable way”. We might turn the blind eye from time to time but preferred methods are those done in “ formally acceptable way”.
As far as I'm concerned, things that are done and not released as mods have much better chances to be included in future patches than those which are released as mods previously.

Fact is that rare are the ones whose work is good enough to be seriously considered and even rarer are those who are willing to bring up their work to required standard when asked to do so.

Making mods is much easier than making official patch and levels of responsibly are not comparable at all. And that is the main reason why only a few "3rd party" projects will be included in in 4.10.

As far as 4.10 status is concerned, there is only one "big" problem left to be solved. List of features is "locked" and we are doing mostly non-glamorous things like writing translations of all new text added to the game, finalizing new QMB missions and doing minor corrections in 3d models and textures.

In case you didn't know, IL-2 has been very much community driven since Forgotten Battles, For example Gladiator and Tempest external and cockpit models are completely done by the community members. Many other planes too.

So if something is done according to the standards (poly limits, texture limits, etc.) then of course it's accepted.

Like FC said, one of the things that we are currently doing is localization. This is quite huge work since there are so many things to be translated. Caspar had quite a shock when he realized how much he needs to translate to German. And this didn't even include the readme.

We could use external help for the readme translation. Specially for the technical stuff like RDF.

Sorry for not being clear.

I understand the il2 community as the gathering of individuals with the aim to enjoy the game in all the possible ways, mainly playing of course, but also, sharing things with others, making proposals, asking/giving reliable information, etc...

For me the official staff are the owners of the game and the people managing its official development, also giving official support to the il2 community.

Yes. The modders, in my opinion, are the main responsible for the actual situation of the game (here everyone will have its own opinion).
Still there are a great amount of members of the community, that not being modders in the sense I think you mean, have made great contributions to the game and in my opinion deserve support and recognition.

About where de DT stands I really don’t know, even though I recognize the DT has tried to make it clear.
I am really looking forward about the 4.10. Somehow I think it would be a great opportunity for the official game staff to recognize the efforts of so many people including the members of the DT.

Salutes.

I do have some experience with Spanish technical translation.

Spanish is my mother tongue and I grew up in germany (So my german is very good too) if I can lend some aid just ask.

Regards
Hunger

In that sense DT is part of official development too.

Viikate explained this and I can only repeat that we are open for cooperation but for the most part people chose to make mods instead of official additions because making mods is easier. For example, you can make 3d model that looks great but it is using 15000 polygons. That can be and is often released as mod but is absolutely unacceptable for official release. In such situations most of the people give up.


We are making the patch "officially", we are also responsible for its content, we want to cooperate with Il2 community but any cooperation with "3rd party" contributors must be legally clean. I don't want to be sued because somebody stole 3d model or texture from other game.

DT effort is already recognized in 4.09, 4.10 is just a continuation of that work. Oleg is really a great guy, only thing he wanted from the community is little respect, he got it from DT and that's why we are here now,developing Il2 while Oleg works on SOW.

FC

There is probably no way we, the community, can persuade you to finish the patch first and let us download the (translated) docs later? ;)

Thank you for the offer Majo & Hunger, but Spanish isn't among the languages that are normally translated. Previously readme has been translated to DE, FR & RU.

Dear DT we are waiting for so long so could you be so kind and give us beta version of 4.10 (officially because you need some help in testing of course ;) )?

Good,at a moment (not now) I thought TD wasn´t getting anything from 3rd party.
BTW,if the plane is not in Oleg standards,you don´t use the model at all or is there a chance to re-work on it?

Didn't we have this conversation a few weeks back? TD does accept 3rd party work... they did in 4.09 if I remember correctly. It just has to be to spec. Lots of MODs are really not to spec... not to say that they didn't go to great effort.

S!

Some mod/user made planes and cockpits are over the limit for IL-2 specs and would thus cause issues on low end machines(who STILL has one?!). Tempest and Gladiator are prime examples of 3rd party, being damn good. Would they be any less better if made now by community? ;) Anyways, waiting for the 4.10 very much. Until then whacking ppl in EVE :D

FC,

Just curious, but what's the "big" problem? Is it a real show stopper?

Could you perhaps say something already of improved AI and some other features that have not yet been added to the list of features? I'm especially interested to learn how the new AI planes will cope with the G-limits and new visibility model. Besides, there's an interesting "no overheat AI mod" that could/should be added perhaps ;-)

Rgs,
SZ/FP

I'd wager a bet that MDS causes problems, as seen on some online servers.
Like shadow planes, bomb timer set to zero even if set correctly and other minor, but annoying, stuff.

Robtek,

I hope it's MDS related, 'cause the other stuff (Lutz also works on this, see e.g. http://hist-simu.2jg51.org/hs/phpBB2...er=asc&start=0) looks to be a real, frightning challenge and absolute coders' nightmare to me ;-)

I'm personally very interested to see how TD/DT have added these features to 4.10 since I play offline for most of the time.

Rgs,
SZ/FP

Good news. Thanks for all your hard work. :)

If do you want we can hire professional translators for you. :grin:

I expect 4.10 as a final kick in MODS servers. MODs servers each one with is own interpretation of reality. Axis firepower in one of them is a mess, now we have to turn and burn spitfires cause or B&Z tactcis was nullified by porked lluftaffe weapons. While this .50 are kicking ass! However i continue playing cause if i not play there i ll not play in any other full real server.

Mods sucks. TD, please, i beg of you, release it. Please, please, please...

I don't think you can force people to play the version of the game you like, let people choose for themselves. If i don't like mod servers i simply don't fly on mod servers, but i don't try to stop them from existing ;)

Sorry Flanker, that'll be me with the low-end machine! Its terrible. i'm still living in 2002.....Facebook, you say? What is this "Facebook" everyone speaks of.....? i 'm still using Ceefax! Its the thinking man's internet.

Its fantastic that TD still think about my meagre half gig of RAM and integrated graphics- sheesh i'm wincing just typing it

Thanks for the update TD. Good luck!

Why on Earth would you think that? Unless 4.10 comes out with something that renders the mods unusable why would you think that folks who have gotten used to them would stop using them? Some of the things I like in the mods have nothing at all to do with FMs or DMs or aircraft.. like being able to set my own defaults.. and remove the frame from my map.. stuff like that.. but some of these guys who think they have been getting the shaft and feel that one mod pack or another has corrected that... They will continue using mods.. the only thing that will stop that is if there is something in 4.10 that either encapsulates some of the features of some mods or renders a means of flying mod free... Otherwise there will be a 4.10 XYZQ mod pack out within the first week.. by two at the most of it's release.

Not me! I love using the gunpod option on my P.11
Long live the mods!

don't forget that without mods we would not be have the 409M and the next patch 410M patch

LOL, yeah! And without beans we would not have peanuts.
Or different: If the patches are 'Homo Sapiens', then MODs are 'Pan Troglodytes'.

Now lets say it together: "MODs are not the base of 4.09!"


EDIT: Sorry for becoming sarcastic about a pathetic and simply wrong statement. I had otherwise a very fine morning.

Hope you had a good day after all. :) Unfortunately there are always people with little respect and patience for your hard work in your freetime.

I appreciate all the work you're doing at the new patches!

Good luck and looking forward to it.

Since 4.10 will include MDS features and some new aircraft, there is no need for more "doubtfull" perfomance aircraft and weapons since DMs in IL2 do not allow real weapons effects. And all that special effects that kills FPS. Ok, some argue that stock performances are doubtfull. Doubtfull for doubtfull I prefer oficial doubtfullness.

For future is a need an upgrade in IL2 DM model.

Ever lasting respect to the whole team of TD, you ask nothing of us, still you give us a full patch with extremely enjoyable content which is the reason I keep playing IL2 what ever happend in the last years, including other game releases and so on. Eagerly awaiting the new patch!

My impression is there is a huge number of players out there downloading these patches that have never heard of or simply are not interested in mods.

For example 4.09 official on Mission 4 Today has 22,000 downloads and its only one of many mirrors. The largest "mod" download at M4T is mission mate with 10,000 downloads.

Mission4today isn't exactly a centre of modding, with only 5 mods available.

Also, mission mate has 10,000 downloads from 13,000 views. The forum topic for downloading the latest version of one of the biggest modpacks has 115,000 views, which would indicate around 90,000 downloads if the proportion of views to downloads is similar.

Actually, there are no 'mods' available at M4T, if you use the IL-2 community's usual understanding of the term.

As for using a forum topic to estimate downloads, this is utterly illogical. If I download something once, then post 10 questions about getting it to work, I've not downloaded it 11 times, have I.?

Simple logic also says that the number of people who've downloaded the 4.09m patch cannot be less than the number of people who've downloaded it, and then installed mods.

I use mods myself, but recognise that the majority of IL-2 users almost certainly don't. For what it's worth, M4T currently has 27,000+ registered members - people who have signed on to download, since they made this a requirement. TD are making new features available to users in a way that the modders (for all their dedication, and skills) never will.

just to try some months ago i downloaded the Ultrapack 2.01 (if i'm not wrong), made a copy of my IL2 folder, than installed it. The first thing I noticed was less FPS, slow loading, and so many other things that i just deleted it and restored the previous IL2 4.09. Never again downloaded and used a mod... i like how IL2 is right now... i fly my missions... i play online.. no need mods at all...

What? You don't like cats? Dude you are just not able to cook them well!

:grin:

Hello,

I found the same was true of the AAA modpacks (I've never used UP). Currently, I run a 4.09m stock installation (for multi-play)and a 4.09 install with the latest HSFX (for offline flying) on it. On my current (rather fast) computer, the slow-down incurred in the modded install is negligible, especially when using the 1 or 4GB patches for the IL-2 executable (this isn't even a mod, btw, it can be used on any old executable) . I wouldn't recommend any mod packs for use with older computers, though. I tried it with my old Athlon XP1800 and the result was...not satisfactory. I believe I read somewhere that Maddox Games is legally required?? to maintain support for Il-2 in such a way that the original system specifications are enough to return a good gaming experience. This is the reason that DT needs to work under such stringent polygon and effect rules as they do. Kuddos to DT for improving the game as they have (and continue to do) for everyone and kuddos to the modding community for allowing those of us fortunate enough to posses high-powered hardware to really take the engine to its limits.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

my UP20.1 version is miles better than stock...in almost every way...i dont notice any slowdown in FPS or loading and i play most nights online no problem.

I don't know the inner workings of the whole thing, but it's said that loading times have a lot to do with the folder/file structure and how the altered content is compiled into files. I think the AAA packs used an older method, HSFX and UP use the new way and that's why they can load more stuff with less penalties. Also, UP contains HSFX and you can switch between them on a single installation.

I'm rather new to all of this , but i'm verry much -as most of us- awaiting the new patch.
And hopefully some new maps and planes and campaigns...
Like a realy forgotten battle.....the Battle for Holland, belgium and Luxemburg...
For us Dutchies it was only 5 days.....but boy...did those few brave men shot down a load of german planes in those days......

Also because i'm dutch i would like to see more planes of our worldly know airplanemanufacturer Fokker in the game.

We now can only fly the Fokker in finnish Fokker DXXI , but would love to see the Fokker G-1 , the TV and the CV and CX in a campaing about the battle of Holland.....

I know there is a mod about that....but i'm always a bit scared with mods...soem turn out real fine...as AIX2 did with BF2......but some can realy destroy your game.

So thats why me and my friends are awaiting the official patches, as for those we know the gam,e will still be played fine either off-line or on-line.

So keep up the good work TD and just give us a peak every now and then :)

Yours truely,

HawkSyts

+1 I would like also the Batlle of Holland in Il2 and especcially the Fokker G.I. The G.I is just such a beautifull and special plane.
I would also like a Winter War campaign for both sides, Finland and the Soviet Union.
I've got also an idea for a 'what if?' situation: Finland ordered some Fokker G.I B's, which were slightly smaller than the G.I A, the Dutch version. But Finland never got the G.I's, because the Dutch airforce took them quickly into use because of the German attack. If Finland got the G.I's there could have been some interesting battles in the Continuation War.

We should be really happy with the Fokker DXXI, even the Finnish one.
Use a Dutch skin (like me) considering the early Sarya is pretty much a replica of the dutch one. The Dutch DXXI would require an entire new cockpit with instruments in Dutch.

We have the Buffalo too and will soon get the CW21b for the dutch east indies, cant complain :)

The G1, although not many were built, would make a nice addition as a early war ground attacker/heavy fighter. But even I think other planes deserve priority. Other fokkers were too rare or too insignificant

TD, do you found many bugs during beta testing?

There are Winter War campaigns out there. Check on Mission4today.com and I'm sure you can find a few... maybe a dozen? There's always something new on there.

Hope it will be released at 15 semptember, Battle Of Britain day. :cool: Ok, i am just trying to guess but its a nice cue.

It's a dream.

Makes no sense,at least for 4.10.
It haves nothing related to BoB...Maybe only the Swordfish.

It has everything to do with the expected release of SoW - Boss Man wants people to buy and play his latest creation, he's not interested in people playing some old game of his, no matter how upgraded. So until SoW is released, no 4.10 is to be seen...

Hi, mr.Conspirolog! :grin: In the real world everything is much more simpler: 4.10 is not ready yet for release, unfortunately. And, as bf-110 said, this situation has nothing to do with SoW.

You can stop with the conspiracy theories. Patch will be released as soon as possible and it feels quite close now. We had to postpone some features to 4.11 because we also want to get the patch out as soon as possible.

It seems that our biggest mistake so far was to give actual release date. 4.09 was announced when it was practically done and we should have done same thing with 4.10.

Is there a native Polish guy here who could help us with localization? All other languages are pretty much covered.

Thanks for being patient with us Viikate, and all other TD members. :)

Giving information as best as you can is never a mistake. Please don't stop just because the work took a little longer than expected.

Hello.

I'm from Poland, I could help.

If you need someone for portuguese...

Is there any chance of a re-release of the 1946 DVD with it already patched to 4.10 ?

Reinstalling is getting quite onerous now with so many patches and skin packs. The option to buy a 4.10 patched new copy would be a good thing.

Commercial projects are outside the scope of TD and not endorsed by the agreement between us and 1C. Not a snowball's chance in hell.

I haven't reinstalled IL-2 in years personally. I just copy it all to a DVD or external hard disk. If you find yourself reinstalling often... try that method. There are no registry entries that are required for IL-2 to operate so the straight copy is all you need.

Good news.
 

Thank you for the information, of course everyone would understand this quote in a different way but in almost any possible way still positive. :grin:

I do not remember if any mention has been made about possible modifications or new available options in the conf.ini file as it was in the good old days of patch 4.09.
Could it be?

Salutes Majo.