How to find best Infantry weapons
 

Hi guys, new to the game and have received some great tips on playing vanilla MoV. I do have a question though and its in regards to the infantry weapons.

For example as Im playing through the Russian campaign and I come across a MG-42 vs the Russian MG which is better. I believe the MG-42 to be better than the Russian equivelant just from watching stuff from the history channel and whatnot, however can someone point me in the right direction to a thread or something that says the German rifle is better than the Russian one?

Also when picking a single soldier I would like to know what weapon he is best at. What I do now is I have to equip him with a rifle, SMG and MG and then equip each one to see how many stars each one has. Is there a quicker way to do this?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks

The German Mg34 is imo the best MG in this game. As for a faster way to tell what soldier is good at what. Click a soldier and see what it says right above his picture. Submachinegunners are obviously good w/ SMG's Riflemen w/ Rifles and Machinegunners w/ LMGs and what not. In misisons you prolly wont have time to sit there and trade weapons back and forth for entire squads though and it doesnt seem to make that much of a diff from what ive seen who has what weapon, the effectiveness of the gun is more based on the weapon's stats then who has it.

Thanks Knight, my follow-up question is how do you know what the weapon stats are?

Ya the MG 34 is the best MG of the game, IIRC there is no MG 42 but if there is.. MG 42 > MG 34

Finding Weapon stats requires going into e1.pak files and what not but ranges for most all the infantry weapons is like 35 or 40. Also, FM, there is a MG42, its the German gun w/ the 75 rounds. I like the MG34 in game b/c it has a 100 round belt....of course the ammo belt doesnt show but thats a minor detail. Also, another kinda rare, but VERY good gun in the campaign games is the German MP44......by far the best SMG, yes thats what its classified as when putting in ammo in this game haha.

Lolfail, MP 44 isn't the real name. Its STG 44, and its an Assault Rifle, the 1st, and a few years later. Wow...The AK 47, looks a lil similar eh? Commies are just too stupid to design their own guns XD

Yeah, I know its STG 44...why I am stuck on using MP idk....I like STG better anywho =P I know its an Assault Rifle, when I first saw it I was thinking it would use its own Assault Rifle rounds. Come to find out the game makes it use SMG ammo. Im like, ok, there is no shortage of that. Still its a great gun in game and in RL

The German and Russian MGs are guns, they both do their job at cutting down infantry and light vehicles in some cases. The gun you are most comfortable with is the best.

By the way, the STG 44 was not the first assualt rifle. It was one of many pre-assault rifles, not fully developed enough to be classified as a true assault rifle.

Wrong on both accounts. The DP LMG wasn't that great, and the STG 44 was the 1st Assault Rifle.

Doesnt the DP jam alot b/c of that big disk clip it has? Anywho, the PPSH is nice....THe RUssians did it well, combine a Squad LMG w/ a SMG...71 round drum mag in a tiny little portable package. Of course idk how common they were, what units used them or actually how reliable they were but in every game PPSH's absolutly wreck stuff.

The DP LMG is great if a Russian is using it. I find it much more fun then a MG42.

And the first Assualt rifle prototype came in the end of the 19th century. I really just hate the STG 44.

PPSH was very common. Russian infantry we're no differently armed than German infantry.

K98s - Mosin Nagants

MP40s - PPSHs

MG34/42s - DPs

G43 - SVT-40

As for reliability... Serious problems with the drum mag, so the regular stick mags were preferable. So it was 35 rounds vs 71 but problems with jamming.

Ya, and that is why a part of the former "commie" arms industry is the 2# biggest in the world today (arms sales from Russia is only less than from USA).

And that industry is based around German inventions. AK 47 is a copy of the STG-44, the RPG a copy of the Panzerfaust. Russians don't invent guns they copy them.

Pretty good and short answer about the relation of the Stgw and AK47 in my eyes.
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Interesting might be as well that the idea or concept of assault rifles was there long before the Stgw was designed. But the Stgw was definetly the most succesfull design

Weapons with similar use or design to the Stgw have been the Charlton Automatic Rifle, Chauchat (more machineguns actualy but they had a curved magazine and shared many principles with modern assault rifles), Fedorov Avtomat, Cei-Rigotti, Mondragón rifle or the M1941 Johnson machine gun. It is very hard to really differentiate between rifles, automatic rifles or light machineguns since many shared similar qualities. Most of the weapons mentioned used quite big calibers but there have been ideas to shorten them already in the 20s of the 1900 century. The Japanese 6.5x50mm Arisaka rifle cartridge for the Fedorov Avtomat and the 6.5x52mm Mannlicher-Carcano for the Cei-Rigotti. Though relability issues and complex mechanisms made those weapons very rare. But it was a new concept afterall.

The Ribeyrolles 1918 is as well a extremly interesting design and might come as close as possible to the concept of assault rifles.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...yrolle1918.jpg

Obviously the AK-47 was far superior to the STG-44. But the Germans were fighting a war at the the time, they didn't have time or resources. If Germany had won WW2 the STG-44 would have likely been continuously upgraded and developed on further, just like the AK-47.

No doubts about that. But one should not forget that the German Army adopted at some point in the 50s the G3 rifle for its newly formed army the Bundeswehr (based of the Cetme Rifle design, created with help of German engineers in Spain). The Evolution didnt simply stoped after the war and designs got further changed and improved which eventualy lead to prototypes like the Stgw45 which was the base for the Cetme rifle and thus the G3 after the war was over many engineers moved to new companies or worked for other nations in licence so different nations improved certain designs and characteristics or used it as base for new weapons like th M60 for example which includes certain aspects of several captured German small arms like the FG42, MG42 etc. The G3 and similar weapons (FN Fal, Israelian Galil etc.) can be seen as so called battle rifles with automatic fire then assault rifles which usualy have lower range and cartridges. And only after Eugen Stoners development of lighter weapons chambered for the 5.56x45mm (well more the development of his assistants but nontheless) the idea of assault rifles in the traditional sense got adopted again with the M15 and 16 family for example. I think the choice of the 5.56 was not a good one for the future. But it probably was bette compared to the rather big 7.62mm NATO which had a pretty huge recoil and was quite heavy since the soldier can carry less amunition compared to the more light weight 5.56. Though it seems future designs might eventualy go for a combination of both bullets eventualy which lead to developments like the 6.8x43mm or cartridges of similar size. But many weapons seem also to utilize the powerfull 7,62x51mm NATO again like the HK417 for its excelent stoping power and accuracy. Evolution of assault rifles though is pretty much at its peak with powder bassed weapons and its unlikely that one can expect again such huge jumps like either the Avtomat Federov, Stgw or Ak since most weapons today are already at the maximum of what is possible in effectivness and inovation I mean we look back on a history of 80 years now (aprox). But we might still see the one or other smaller improvement over time. Proboably till we get the first standart pulse or plasma rifles :rolleyes::-P

I can prolly see the first laser weapons coming when some joker tries to come up w/ a way to solve the need for endangering resupply aircraft crew and all the extra weight of ammo as well as solution to running out of ammo period. :-P:-P

future evolution already now

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http://www.razorsedgecollectibles.co...ma%20Rifle.jpg

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*hey, what about a Terminator mod for Men of War, or a sci fi game with the same focus on complexity and reliability

Thats where I hope and wait for the Battletech mod to get done.....Battletech is my #1 Fav Genre 2nd is WWII. Nothing is more awesome then a 3 story high robot marauding down the street blasting the living woo-hoo out of anything stupid enough to stand in its way. Also, cant wait for Pirhana games to get hte new Mechwarrior game done....havent heard much on that game lately....*Tear* So, while I am waiting on that Butchering hordes of T34's w/ my King Tiger and its KwK44, sporting Speedwolf's wicked black SS skin will have to do =D After all it is a King Tiger, prolly the only tank that will stand up to the power of a mech:-P

If the mech has less than 250mm armor then the KT would pwn it at long ranges.

Mechwarrior never does quantify the milimeters of armor on a mech...it always just goes by armor points protecting an area. Im just going to guess that by the thickness of mech parts and the strains 250mm of armor would prolly put on a mech standing up..they prolly dont have 250mm or more =P Plus, Mechs in RL would be entirely to easy to take out, just fire at the knee's and they are toast. Still, despite that Mechs are tooo awesome

Depends about what kind of armor we are talking about. Most tanks today have a lot less then 250mm of armor and I doubt a Tiger II could penetrate their front. Not with the first short that for sure. Most vehicles today have armor equal to 500 or more mm of RHA (steel armor) but dont posses that kind of thickness in real since they contain today combinations of several different materials and body kits like reactive armor (many times soviet/russian designs), composit or ceramic and sometimes even layers of sand between the armor as aditional protection against shaped charges.

Battlemech Armor is called Ferro Fibrous, Clan Ferro Fibrous and Standard. What each is made up of I dont think anywhere it ever says what it is but thats what they call it. Clan Ferro. being the best protection for the weight. In Fact all clanner stuff is best overall. Im sure it could prolly withstand WWII Tank shells, I mean after all it takes 3 or 4 somteims maybe even 5 Guass Rifle slugs to punch through Mech Center Torso armor and those are just solid slugs propelled at hypersonic speeds I think it is, or its supersonic either way they possess some great power and wreck stuff fast =D

Gauss weapons could "theoreticaly" achieve speeds of 10 000m per seconds. To give some comparision the Leopard II shoots a shell with a speed per second of between 1700 and 1800m. The 88 shell of the Tiger I had somewhere around 900 or 950 meters per second.

The real advantage of gauss weapons or a huge increase of speed is that the shells start to use a different kind of physic for penetration very similar to the hollow charges instead of sheer kynetic energy from its mass. Just that you dont have a jet stream of molten metal at unbelievable speed but a short small shell formed like a needle. One issue despite the energy needed for the magnetic inductors and what ever else you need for the technology that one has to find a metal or material that can whistand such intenese speed and preasure of course otherwise the shell would deform itself in flight and not get a correct balistic form.

Gauss canons are already in use. But only for scientific experiements where they shoot small bolts or bullets at much more then 10 000m per second at frozen surfaces or sand or what ever else to simulate the impact of a asteroid. Its pretty interesting. And the gun is incredible huge ...

Wicked, would be fun to see something fire that fast...In Mechwarrior the Guass Rifle fires like nickel ferrous slugs or something like that...either way I like Gauss Rifles except they are 13 tons and take up more space on the mech then an abrams does in a C5 also they only get like 8 shots per ton of ammo, so dangerous but heavy as ......yeah I got nothing

KnightFandragon, you keep talking Guass Rifles and I'm going to have to reload my Mechwarrior's.

Good :grin: Mechwarrior is ownage :-P

Even though Microsoft kinda hosed the whole mechwarrior idea and MW4 wasnt that awesome it was still mechwarrior. I still play MW4 Vengeance campaign....its fun

now how did we go from 1942-45' all the way to 3050 and beyond =P do we wanna getback on topic much lolz....blame it on me, my bad haha =)

What a dumb claim. STG-44 and AK-47 use completely different mechanisms.

STG-44 was the first assault rifle, so obviously it was "copied".

RPG was not a copy.

Back this up. Soviets invented loads of stuff so did Russians

The AK-47 is a complete copy. They look very similar, and the inventor of the STG-44 was in Russia when the AK-47 was designed.

The RPG is just a copy of the German Panzerfaust.

http://www.gd-uk.org/images/research...zerfaust11.jpg

http://xbradtc.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/rpg7a6dm.jpg

While they look different the concept is the same. They both fire a similar looking warhead, and are very different from other AT weapons like the bazooka. As the explosive shell is inside the tube not at the head.

Dunno, there is not much to say to that then simply. No. It has a similarity. But that was it. The AK47 is neither a straight copy nor is it a real revolutionary new design. Its a improved weapon and combination of several known designs with a few new concepts adapted to russian needs. They learned from the SVT40 just as they did from US and German designs. The SVT while it had a good idea (more firepower for the indidivual infantry) had much issues with reliability and needed trained personal. This was not the case anymore with the AK47 (or AKM) which has a lot of tolerances to make sure its working even under the worst conditions. It includes principles from the M1 Garant just as it does from several other weapons. The similarity in look with the Stgw44 can be simply from the fact that its a functional look. I mean how many assault weapons today include a curved magazine ?


The RPG is based on the concept of the Panzerfaust / Schreck and using the shaped charge as principle which also meany weapons did before the invention of the Panzerfaust as well, see British, French and German tests regarding the shaped charge.

During and before a war it happend always that certain ideas, designs or some technology was captured, studied and eventualy copied (letz better say reverse engineered its usualy never just a simple copy). Thats quite normal. The Germans did it just like the US and Russians. Its no coninsidence that after the second world war certain technologies have been seen in some way again in US or Soviet designs. I think the first soviet jet fighters have been based loosely on German Me designs. And the famous T34 and BT tank series have used Christie suspension developed by US engineers which also saw much use in British tanks. The Famous WW1 machine gun 0815 was based on the American-British Maxim MG. German scientists helped a lot (Werner von Braun) in the moon landing missions and even the Manhatten project which started around the early 40s reads like a european Namelist (Robert Oppenheimer, Enrico Fermi and more) with famous scientists working on it born or emigrated to the US from Germany, Italy, Ukraine and who knows how many other nations.

It is interesting to note as well for example that the German panzerschreck was a improved design of the US Bazooka captured in Africa where it saw one of its first use. They emidiately seen the potential of a portable infantry weapon against tanks and developed on that concept a own design with improvements like for example a shield for the gunner to protect him from any heat and blast at the front of the tupe and also a increase of the warhead from 60 mm to 88mm (designs of 45 even with 100m) which improved range and penetration power of the charge. The Bazooka which was in 45 somewhat outdated later ironicaly used the Panzerschreck for future improvemnts again to increase size and warehead ...