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Shadowcorp 03-24-2010 01:27 PM

CheeseTactics
 
Nickname (so not to flame) and shame those most with the most cheese ridden style of play.
Cheese styling is open to interpretation: whats ones mans cheese is anothers genius so be careful to state as opinions.

Sorry guys but i wouldn't count rockets against bombers as cheese it's annoying because it's very effective but not cheese.

Using a b17 as flying turret in dogfight realistic or simulator i would count as cheese... opinion not fact. This only applies to certian players and not those who only fly b17s

haitch40 03-24-2010 02:23 PM

well people who try to suicide ram you or trying to crash into you when you have landed on cta i mean a death for 1 plane even a kamakaze would do that

ButcherBird 03-24-2010 03:44 PM

i'm also not a huge fan of people who used turreted bombers or IL-2's in dogfight (flying turret method).

It kind of takes away form the whole dogfight experience that most are going for. but it doesnt really pizz me off or anything, jsut would prefer if they werent being used in dogfight (unless everyone is flying turreted aircraft)

nuklhed808 03-24-2010 06:18 PM

I think all of you have good points (opinions). Flying turrents, Lame-O, kamikaze CTA, Lame-O, kamikaze-ing bombers, Lame-O, and the coup de grace, intentional team kill. That deserves a Super Lame-O... Although I must admit, I get the dickwad medal for intentionally kamikaze-ing someone, once or twice, out of pure fustration...

ButcherBird 03-24-2010 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuklhed808 (Post 151341)
Although I must admit, I get the dickwad medal for intentionally kamikaze-ing someone, once or twice, out of pure fustration...

your honesty is honorable...I also may have "bumped" into a B-17G or two after not being able knock it out of the air, while receiving non-stop incoming fire.

Crosshair14 03-24-2010 07:53 PM

I hate when in realistic when u got a lot of damage on them and they seem that it would give u a kill but when they hit the ground the game wont give u a kill.

Shadowcorp 03-25-2010 12:12 AM

if you bail for people they will bail for you, at least thats what i've observed and indeed practice: if i know the person shooting me would not bail niether would i. But yes still it's annoying....

Gilly 03-25-2010 11:04 AM

-Using arado's as kamikaze battering rams when losing.
-IL2M/ IL10's in dogfights.
-Bombing your own team in cta's when the enemy decides to land as well, even though a couple of seconds more and you'd have won it ( and on occasions when the opposition haven't/ aren't landing).
-When people switch teams at the last minute thereby completely unbalancing what had previously been fair teams and then refusing to change back.

Gilly 03-25-2010 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by branko57 (Post 151430)
OOOOPS, i guess i have to excuse myself being somebody who always bombed those airfields beyond repair including the enemy on the runway !!!

As you know my beloved B-17G has no other attack weapon but bombs, so tell me please what now ???

I was refering to friendly fire!! Don't think your guilty of that!!

Shadowcorp 03-25-2010 12:40 PM

Rockets were used in ww2 to down Bombers, FACT. 40 mm rockets from me262s also rockets from the 109 k series because the b17 was so heavily armored new way were invented to shoot it down.
my real Beef isn't with you branko as i said those who only fly a b17 are the exception.
In my opinion none of the bombers has a place in dogfight because realistically it takes a few fighters to bring a bomber (especially a b17) down and then theres tha fact the bombers aren't actually dogfighting which sort of defeats the point of playing dogfight if you aren't actually dogfighting
I aways do a death from above attack on bombers but for bombers i like to fly a 262

Gilly 03-25-2010 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowcorp (Post 151435)
I aways do a death from above attack on bombers but for bombers i like to fly a 262

the results of which can be seen in the lower part of this picture!!!

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...OfPrey_7-1.png

Shadowcorp 03-25-2010 01:05 PM

come on now
 
some people are really too sensitive about this rockets issue.... bomber pilots you have chosen a aircraft thats large and as such easy to hit accept that.
Your going to get rocketted not by me as i can't use them.
As a bomber pilot you have your own distinct advantage armor, lots of it the way no fighter plane does,also you can shoot in just about any direction and have the opportunity more than any fighter aircraft to shoot at weak propellers engines and canopies.
so i think rockets are a fair leveling of the playing field, you don't have to share my opinion branko just accept that i can have it please

BRIGGBOY 03-25-2010 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by branko57 (Post 151443)
hi shadowcorp,

like you said bombers are easy to hit, no rockets needed !!!

Dont worry im not interest at all continuing this conversation about rockets wich may end like "war of word's" peace mate !!!

branko please go to this website www.tarrif.net/wwii/guides/a2g_rockets.htm
and as none of the german planes carry rockets in the game i have no problem with people that use an alied plane with rockets to shoot me down anyway it evens itself out for all the people that take them into dogfight and tb matches and just sit on the rear gunner

BRIGGBOY 03-25-2010 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by branko57 (Post 151465)
HI BRIGGBOY,

THANKS FOR THE WEBSITE LINK, LOOK WHAT I HAVE FOUND........ used by special fighters for attacks against the giant American bomber formations.

YOUR ROCKET ATTACK'S ON ME YESTERDAY THEY FAILED AND THEY WERE UNNECESSARY, ANYWAY I ENJOYED PLAYING WITH YOU !!!

the fact of the matter is that they were used and i think that people taking a b17 into a dogfight or tb match is totally unnecessary so like i said before if someone gets shotdown by rockets then i think it is the same as just sitting on the rear gunner in dogfight or tb. but also like many people have said before it is a video game and not real life so it is meant to be fun. anyway thats all i have to say on this subject and bailing out or i will have to see my doctor about some valium.

ORPHEUS ZERO 03-25-2010 05:05 PM

Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!

markyboyacebassist 03-25-2010 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORPHEUS ZERO (Post 151470)
Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!



WELL SAID MATEY!!:grin::grin::grin:

CRANNY 03-25-2010 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORPHEUS ZERO (Post 151470)
Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!

Sigh of relief, The beauty of rational thought conveyed in logical prose. Well said Orpheus.

nuklhed808 03-25-2010 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ORPHEUS ZERO (Post 151470)
Please excuse my interjection on this one. There are several obstacles here to contend with that I can see.
1) temperment- We all get flustered when someone shoots at us. A psychological occurance that is welcome to your opponent. It is much easier to take down an enemy who is not thinking clearly than one who has maintained his calm. Your opponent WILL use this against you.
2)rockets (adavantage)- all technological advantages in warfare are infact unfair, therfore there is no such thing as a fair fight. Wether in terms of technology, performance charicterisics, or skill; someone will be at a disadvantage. That being said; it is most often the case that in order to gain an advantage one must trade-off for a disadvantage in another area. Ie: altitude/speed, armor/agility, or speed/turn radius etc.

This leads to but one conclusion! Change tactics! I have personally dogdged many 40mm rockets. If fired close they are hard to miss with you say? Well then keep the shooter at a distance. I'd the rocket chucking anti-historian and see to it he has a very hard persuit. If he gets close...evade. Those rockets drop like stones and are much slower than bullets. Or fly a fighter.

Bottom line if you find yourself full of holes...you made at least one mistake too many. The flaw is always in your tactics if you loose. To paraphrase Sun Tsu- battles are not won by the victor...they are lost by the defeated.

Try and keep a cool head man, and I promise you'll find your victory! Good luck, good hunting, & God speed!

Are you a pastor? I swear you were talking about me!! HAHAHA!!! Well put...:grin::grin::grin:

Gilly 03-26-2010 11:00 AM

Let's all just chill and be cool like Alaska. There's been some heated discussions on here over the past week and I hope most people will take them for, and respect them as peoples opinions. The last thing the community needs is to fragment and implode. I think most players know and respect that we all have our personal preferences when it comes to armourment and as the game allows you to, you should be able to use whatever, whenever irrespective of other people views and opinions. I guess what I'm saying is that no matter how much we write on here about our likes/ dislikes there will always be players that go against our 'IL2 morals' and as such disagree with us. I had a real red mist event earlier this week that was totally out of character and left me feeling quite down about the game, but I think Ratman summed it up nicely when he said to me 'rise above it, just play the way you play and be happy in the knowledge that your a better person than them for doing so'
I think to sum up we should all play exactly the way we want to play, be that right or wrong and remember it's just a game, 70 years ago it was real life and many good people died doing what we now consider to be just a game. Be thankful that after being rammed, rocketed, bombed or shot down you only have to wait a few seconds before you resurect and continue, back then there were no second chances. It's due to that generation that we now have the freedom to play such games and I think we shouldn't forget that.

Kidrock40 03-26-2010 11:24 AM

VERY WELL PUT GILLY ...... CHEERS MATE !!! ........ Did you all not read what I said in Waterman7 thread? Damnit I would give a lifetime worth of being killed just to have my PS3 back ..... I mean what i wouldnt give to see my left wing chewed full of holes or my engine smoking so bad i cant even see the screen or Davedog blowing me into a million little pcs with one of his rocket shots !!!! just so i could play. I'm with Gilly i dont want the community to fall apart ... one of these days ( hopefully soon ) i will have another PS3 and i want to hear EVERYONE of your cheery voices on there when your shooting me into a flat spin @ 3,000 ft. and keep hitting me till im a molten ball of fire .... OK?

KAV 03-26-2010 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kidrock40 (Post 151584)
VERY WELL PUT GILLY ...... CHEERS MATE !!! ........ Did you all not read what I said in Waterman7 thread? Damnit I would give a lifetime worth of being killed just to have my PS3 back ..... I mean what i wouldnt give to see my left wing chewed full of holes or my engine smoking so bad i cant even see the screen or Davedog blowing me into a million little pcs with one of his rocket shots !!!! just so i could play. I'm with Gilly i dont want the community to fall apart ... one of these days ( hopefully soon ) i will have another PS3 and i want to hear EVERYONE of your cheery voices on there when your shooting me into a flat spin @ 3,000 ft. and keep hitting me till im a molten ball of fire .... OK?

Well put Kidrock40
Seems we have forgotten how lucky we are, to be able to play this lovely game.
So all of you, please:

Forgive, forget, fly, fire and have fun............

Kidrock40 03-26-2010 11:30 AM

VERY WELL PUT GILLY ...... CHEERS MATE !!! ........ Did you all not read what I said in Waterman7 thread? Damnit I would give a lifetime worth of being killed just to have my PS3 back ..... I mean what i wouldnt give to see my left wing chewed full of holes or my engine smoking so bad i cant even see the screen or Davedog blowing me into a million little pcs with one of his rocket shots !!!! just so i could play. I'm with Gilly i dont want the community to fall apart ... one of these days ( hopefully soon ) i will have another PS3 and i want to hear EVERYONE of your cheery voices on there when your shooting me into a flat spin @ 3,000 ft. and keep hitting me till im a molten ball of fire .... OK?

dkwookie 03-26-2010 12:01 PM

I don't think threads like this do any good in here except get everyones back up. I have seen more and more negativity here over last few weeks and it's pretty crap. The other day I thought screw it let's fire up a tourny to like get some fun back into the game and while I was typing it up this thread appeared.
I figure everyone rather name and shame and argue so what's the point. Used to be there was the odd thread about new ways to play the game or tournaments but that's all gone.
Now it's name and shame and ludicrous accusations of lag switches. I will still be playing when I get chance. I shoot people down the way I wish to get shot down. With gunfire. I don't like rockets but that's my opinion so I play arcade where I can outmanouvere them

dkwookie 03-26-2010 01:18 PM

On the subject of rocket use in WW2. Branko mentioned their use in formation breaking and desperation tactics. The numbers here illustrate the numbers of planes in question:

"On 18 March 1945, 37 Me 262s of JG 7 intercepted a force of 1,221 bombers and 632 escorting fighters. "

Article continues with:

"Eventually, new combat tactics were developed to counter the Allied bombers' defences. Me 262s equipped with R4M rockets would approach from the side of a bomber formation, where their silhouettes were widest, and while still out of range of the 12.7 mm (.50 in) guns, fire a salvo of rockets. The high explosive warhead of only one or two of these rockets was capable of downing even the famously rugged B-17; a strike on an enemy aircraft meant its total annihilation"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262

Rocket kills in BoP are always close range, tail shots on bombers and head on with fighters. The fact we have to look up air to air rocket use in WW2 proves the point that its not widly accepted view of air to air combat. Reason I play BoP over Hawks is to get to pure air to air combat, not letting high explosives do the work for me.

gbtstr 03-26-2010 03:52 PM

Well, back to the cheese tactics...

Using IL-2/IL-10s in dogfights with the intent of tailgunning all your kills, while absorbing ridiculous amounts of fire, I find a bit cheesy. It's not like it's a scenario where the IL-2 is a good choice for attacking ground targets or picking off vulnerable bombers/transports. You're deliberately choosing a flying tank so you can sit in the back seat of your armored bath tub and pew-pew (with unlimited ammo) at any fighter foolish enough to try and latch onto your six. Add to that, for such a massive plane, the IL-2 seems to have no trouble out-turning a lot of fighters - fighters designed to be nimble/maneuverable. This makes the attacking fighter's job even more tricky because it's even harder to stay out of the line of fire.

I don't really have a gripe about big bombers in dogfights. Usually, they're so slow relative to everything else, you can simply avoid them and focus your attacks elsewhere. In most cases, I'd say the person flying the bomber puts themselves/their team at a disadvantage because they now have a big, slow target that is not much good for clearing an opposing fighter off a wingman's tail.

Rockets? Eh, whatever. I don't think I've ever been hit by one launched my direction, at least not while airborne. Of course, I also don't take bombers up to do my killing. If I were to take a bomber and get schwacked by a rocket attack, I'd probably be pissed, but do I think it's a valid, sans-cheese tactic? Yes. Do I do it? No. Why pray to get lucky with a rocket attack when you can use your guns and put the SOB down? Give them some 30mm loving.

Kamikazes? Well, I hate it when it happens to me. But, I have done it to others in the heat of the game - purposefully, and accidentally.

The problem with this game and any other is just that: it's a game. If you die, you respawn - big deal. Yeah, maybe you lose a game because of that, but your xbox/ps3 doesn't burst into flames when you hit the ground, you don't suddenly get a bullet hole in you when somebody scores a pilot kill. So, what's a valid tactic in a game doesn't have to equate to a good tactic in RL because there's no fear of death. Not saying there should be actual death as a consequence of video game death, but just that everybody needs to make peace with the fact that some cheesy things fly in video games that wouldn't in reality.

I agree that the solution to most of these is to change your own tactics.

Unfortunately, even with the best/most effective tactics you are limited in the game because of the pro-Soviet bias in aircraft performance. They have the best turning aircraft, the fastest aircraft down low, and some of the most heavily armed and armored. The Americans get a broke-dick P-51, a P-47 with the top speed and maneuverability of a row-boat in reverse. The Brits get the Hurricane, which is nice unless you want to go anywhere fast, and some decent Spitfires - but, they can all be out turned by the Russkies. The Germans get a variety of flying targets to choose from. Aside from the 109G-6 and K-4, and the jets - which only have speed and firepower in their favor - they can all be out-performed in multiple ways by everything except what the USA can bring to the party.

The best plan is to take a 109K-4 (or possibly one of the jets) and stay high. BnZ every target, and avoid low altitudes and La-5/7s like the plague. If you do that well, you will live long and kill a couple. Or take the La-5/7, stay low, turn and burn and kill/die a lot.

ButcherBird 03-26-2010 04:21 PM

nice post, i got alot of laughs from parts of it...thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbtstr (Post 151656)
Well, back to the cheese tactics...

Using IL-2/IL-10s in dogfights with the intent of tailgunning all your kills, while absorbing ridiculous amounts of fire, I find a bit cheesy. It's not like it's a scenario where the IL-2 is a good choice for attacking ground targets or picking off vulnerable bombers/transports. You're deliberately choosing a flying tank so you can sit in the back seat of your armored bath tub and pew-pew (with unlimited ammo) at any fighter foolish enough to try and latch onto your six. Add to that, for such a massive plane, the IL-2 seems to have no trouble out-turning a lot of fighters - fighters designed to be nimble/maneuverable. This makes the attacking fighter's job even more tricky because it's even harder to stay out of the line of fire.

I don't really have a gripe about big bombers in dogfights. Usually, they're so slow relative to everything else, you can simply avoid them and focus your attacks elsewhere. In most cases, I'd say the person flying the bomber puts themselves/their team at a disadvantage because they now have a big, slow target that is not much good for clearing an opposing fighter off a wingman's tail.

Rockets? Eh, whatever. I don't think I've ever been hit by one launched my direction, at least not while airborne. Of course, I also don't take bombers up to do my killing. If I were to take a bomber and get schwacked by a rocket attack, I'd probably be pissed, but do I think it's a valid, sans-cheese tactic? Yes. Do I do it? No. Why pray to get lucky with a rocket attack when you can use your guns and put the SOB down? Give them some 30mm loving.

Kamikazes? Well, I hate it when it happens to me. But, I have done it to others in the heat of the game - purposefully, and accidentally.

The problem with this game and any other is just that: it's a game. If you die, you respawn - big deal. Yeah, maybe you lose a game because of that, but your xbox/ps3 doesn't burst into flames when you hit the ground, you don't suddenly get a bullet hole in you when somebody scores a pilot kill. So, what's a valid tactic in a game doesn't have to equate to a good tactic in RL because there's no fear of death. Not saying there should be actual death as a consequence of video game death, but just that everybody needs to make peace with the fact that some cheesy things fly in video games that wouldn't in reality.

I agree that the solution to most of these is to change your own tactics.

Unfortunately, even with the best/most effective tactics you are limited in the game because of the pro-Soviet bias in aircraft performance. They have the best turning aircraft, the fastest aircraft down low, and some of the most heavily armed and armored. The Americans get a broke-dick P-51, a P-47 with the top speed and maneuverability of a row-boat in reverse. The Brits get the Hurricane, which is nice unless you want to go anywhere fast, and some decent Spitfires - but, they can all be out turned by the Russkies. The Germans get a variety of flying targets to choose from. Aside from the 109G-6 and K-4, and the jets - which only have speed and firepower in their favor - they can all be out-performed in multiple ways by everything except what the USA can bring to the party.

The best plan is to take a 109K-4 (or possibly one of the jets) and stay high. BnZ every target, and avoid low altitudes and La-5/7s like the plague. If you do that well, you will live long and kill a couple. Or take the La-5/7, stay low, turn and burn and kill/die a lot.


CRANNY 03-27-2010 03:41 AM

Butcher Bird are you on PS3? if so contact me on PSN Cranny70, Thanks

ButcherBird 03-27-2010 02:41 PM

CRANNY, i'm 360

sorry man

f1rebrand 03-27-2010 05:12 PM

You may or may not know someone with killer and dan in his name but I played a Strike game against him last night. I shot him down a few times in his B17. I was flying a G6 - so no rockets but yeah pretty good armanent. He also shot me down with his tail gun. I rammed him once but it certainly wasn't intentional. My friends here will vouch for me there.

The following game he was flying a ME163 and attacking B17's. I then adopted an escort role and defended the B17 on my team, shooting him down a few times in the process.

In the lobby for the next game he then began to slag me off in front of 16 players telling me that I should fly in Dogfight mode rather than Strike if I wanted to shoot planes down. Basically in his opinion Strike is for bombing only (Apparently in WW2 bombers never came under attack from fighters)

BTW I spoke to a bomber pilot about this and she said that he has attacked her with rockets. So he is also a hypocrite.

I messaged him "You should deal with it. When I fly bombers I expect to get shot down but that's part of the challenge." The response. "Cheap shot a**hole."

How boring would it be if we just flew to our targets without threat of fighter molestation. This really is kindergarten at times.

I can't imagine ace bomber jockeys like Gilly or Branko complaining too much (unless of course rockets are used).

ButcherBird 03-27-2010 06:11 PM

on strike i always fly a G-6 and just pretty much play defense. Its pretty fun to just practice shooting at bombers as the come in. Never had any bomber pilots get really upset with me

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 03-27-2010 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbtstr (Post 151656)
Unfortunately, even with the best/most effective tactics you are limited in the game because of the pro-Soviet bias in aircraft performance. They have the best turning aircraft, the fastest aircraft down low, and some of the most heavily armed and armored. The Americans get a broke-dick P-51, a P-47 with the top speed and maneuverability of a row-boat in reverse. The Brits get the Hurricane, which is nice unless you want to go anywhere fast, and some decent Spitfires - but, they can all be out turned by the Russkies.

Once again, the Ace of Aces final was fought between two Spitfire IX's. If the Russian fighters turning rate was such an advantage they would have been picked for the final. The fact is the turn advantage for the LA over the Spit is miniscule and neutralised by the Spits superior firepower.

f1rebrand 03-27-2010 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ButcherBird (Post 151819)
on strike i always fly a G-6 and just pretty much play defense. Its pretty fun to just practice shooting at bombers as the come in. Never had any bomber pilots get really upset with me

Most B17 pilots accept that if they're going to fly the most destructive plane, that can win a strike game singlehandedly, then they're naturally going to be a target for fighters. So it's up to that individual's skills on the the tail gun.

Sadly, a minority don't see it that way and prefer to throw their toys out of the pram.

Robotic Pope 03-27-2010 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zatoichi_Sanjuro (Post 151821)
Once again, the Ace of Aces final was fought between two Spitfire IX's. If the Russian fighters turning rate was such an advantage they would have been picked for the final. The fact is the turn advantage for the LA over the Spit is miniscule and neutralised by the Spits superior firepower.

I don't know, My experience is that the La-5 and La-7 turn a lot tighter than the spitfires and the cannons on both are pretty deadly thanks to them being mounted so close to each other it needs very little convergence, so acuracy of long range shots is much better. When Im flying my Fw190 or Mustang the La.7 is the plane I have most fear of because of its instant power. If I boom and zoom an La.7 and miss (quite often because of its insane turning ability) quite often the La can turn 360 degrees to follow my zoom climb and still catch me and start shooting in less than 30 seconds. Once that happens I'm dead meat.

CRANNY 03-28-2010 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 151829)
I don't know, My experience is that the La-5 and La-7 turn a lot tighter than the spitfires and the cannons on both are pretty deadly thanks to them being mounted so close to each other it needs very little convergence, so acuracy of long range shots is much better. When Im flying my Fw190 or Mustang the La.7 is the plane I have most fear of because of its instant power. If I boom and zoom an La.7 and miss (quite often because of its insane turning ability) quite often the La can turn 360 degrees to follow my zoom climb and still catch me and start shooting in less than 30 seconds. Once that happens I'm dead meat.

You need a wingman.

gbtstr 03-28-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 151829)
I don't know, My experience is that the La-5 and La-7 turn a lot tighter than the spitfires and the cannons on both are pretty deadly thanks to them being mounted so close to each other it needs very little convergence, so acuracy of long range shots is much better. When Im flying my Fw190 or Mustang the La.7 is the plane I have most fear of because of its instant power. If I boom and zoom an La.7 and miss (quite often because of its insane turning ability) quite often the La can turn 360 degrees to follow my zoom climb and still catch me and start shooting in less than 30 seconds. Once that happens I'm dead meat.

Exactly. There is undeniably some turn advantage, enough to be significant. And the placement of the cannon in the nose of the La's helps your aim by reducing the recoil and and convergence problems, like Pope said. The Spit may pack more guns so that on paper its firepower is superior, but how is it in practice?

I ran the numbers on 15 piston engined fighters in realistic, xbox (so no patched performance): Bf109F, Bf109G-6,G-10, Bf109K, Fw190A, Fw190D, La-5, La-7, Yak-3, P-51D, P-47, Spit II, IX, XVI, and Hurricane II.

The fact is, the La-7 has the best acceleration below 5,000' - where the bulk of dogfighting takes place. On its heels are the 109K, the 109G-10, La-5 and Yak-3. Once you hit 10,000' the two 109's are in front and followed by the La-7, Fw-190D, and La-5. So, even up to 10,000 (a very high altitude for multiplayer dogfights) unless you're in one of the 109s an La-7 will catch you. This is why Pope's Mustang gets run down from behind, even after executing a good BnZ attack on an La-7 bleeding speed in a high-g turn (the P-51D manages to out-accelerate only the Hurricane below 20,000').

So, already with a turn advantage, the La-7 gets to have a substantial advantage in putting knots back on the plane at the prime dogfighting altitudes.

As to why the two finalists in the contest chose to each take a Spitfire Mk IX, who knows? The Spit IX is a solid upper end of the pack fighter, so it is a good choice. Maybe they were both British. Maybe they decided they would see who the better pilot was by taking the same machine. Maybe they both flew the Spitfire so much that they knew it the best and decided not to change things up at the last minute in a competition. Just because two random dudes chose to fly it over the La-7 in a particular fight, doesn't mean the La-7 has no advantages over the Spitfire. There could be any number of explanations, and their endorsement of the Spitfire IX doesn't necessarily mean anything.

In a brief bit of anecdotal evidence for the La-5 as well, I was once nearly chased down by one while flying a Dora-9. I did as Pope did, got some altitude, rolled in on the giant team battle furball, tried to pick a target, fired but didn't kill anything, exited the fight and began my zoom. An La-5 that was last seen 90 degrees off my heading, below me, and pulling around towards 180 off of my heading, is now suddenly within 1km of me and tracers are whizzing by my cockpit. It took staying within a very narrow sweet spot in pitch attitude, laying on the WEP for the entire time, and a climb to at least over 15,000 (probably over 20,000 but I don't quite remember) for me to slowly open the distance. It was him finally losing interest that brought the engagement to an end. If it had continued, I'm not sure what would have happened. But, if I had tried to escape by rolling inverted, pulling it around in a dive and trying to zoom away again, I have little doubt that he would have closed the gap and probably shot me down.

If it had been an La-7, I probably would've had a long parachute ride down from about 10,000.

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 03-28-2010 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gbtstr (Post 151907)
As to why the two finalists in the contest chose to each take a Spitfire Mk IX, who knows? The Spit IX is a solid upper end of the pack fighter, so it is a good choice. Maybe they were both British. Maybe they decided they would see who the better pilot was by taking the same machine. Maybe they both flew the Spitfire so much that they knew it the best and decided not to change things up at the last minute in a competition. Just because two random dudes chose to fly it over the La-7 in a particular fight, doesn't mean the La-7 has no advantages over the Spitfire. There could be any number of explanations, and their endorsement of the Spitfire IX doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Edal favours the Spit but Mirgervin up till then flew the LA. In practice he decided the Spit had enough firepower advantages at head-on's over the LA to go with that instead. You're both comparing the LA with B'n'Z planes when B'n'Z is ostensibly weak in this game. You take a 190 into a 1v1 dogfight with a Spit or a LA in this game and you'll lose pretty much everytime. The 109K is the only B'n'Z prop plane that is decent to fly.

Robotic Pope 03-28-2010 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Zatoichi_Sanjuro (Post 151916)
Edal favours the Spit but Mirgervin up till then flew the LA. In practice he decided the Spit had enough firepower advantages at head-on's over the LA to go with that instead. You're both comparing the LA with B'n'Z planes when B'n'Z is ostensibly weak in this game. You take a 190 into a 1v1 dogfight with a Spit or a LA in this game and you'll lose pretty much everytime. The 109K is the only B'n'Z prop plane that is decent to fly.

I wasn't exactly comparing BnZ planes to the La's, I was saying that when I'm flying a Mustang of Fw190 planes which I prefer, I have MUCH more difficulty with the La's compared to the spitfires. I think also the La's can continue to easily turn to follow my climb even if i dealt it quite a bit of wing damage, where if I can hit a spits wing during my boom and if it doesn't immediately crash I can more often return and attack it again in a turning fight and get the kill.

JOED70 03-29-2010 01:31 PM

My two cents
 
As for the rocket tatic, my feeling on them is allthough they can be anoying it still takes a large amount of skill combined with luck to get an air kill with them bombers being larger and slower only slighty easier but still hard to hit.The biggest problem seems to be the amount of lag they can generate if some is fireing rockets and guns I have seen lag spikes that slow the game down due to fact that the amount of smoke generated stresses the system due to haveing to render so many pixles with rocket smoke trail . I have had rockets used on me flying a fighter if that happens next match ill grab my trusty IL2M and introduce them to the tailguns of death . I love my tail gun:evil::evil:
As for bombers in dogfight well you just have to change tatics to get them

Dont hang out on thier 6 attack from abreast from above or make head on runs . But I agree that for Dogfight bombers should be parked but alas as the host has no control over who can join or what type planes it is one of those game things we have to live with .

That brings us to the topic of bailing . I will bail most times in dogfights CTA and Strike once I am damaged enough feel that guy who pumped all those rounds into me deserves it. Team battle is different thing I will try and last as long as possible in those engagenments in order to allow my teammates to get advantage. If one or 2 bandits are busy trying to finnish me off they arn't killing my Sqn mates . But as thier is no real incentive built into the game to bail ie should get a star if you bail and survive as opposed to rideing it into the ground loseing crew and craft . Maybe a 30 sec time pently for a pilot kill
Instant respawn if you bail would be a soultion.

But as far as my biggest cheese for me is the Stacking of teams that happens over and over. Ie last nite in a strike realistic match Other guys are in Stuka and il10 go team B I pick A and grab Il2M with bombs rocket load out teamate has an A-20 so it looks to me like are pretty ballanced its 2 on 2 just as match starts my team-mate who is frequent player switchs from his A-20 to a fighter- no A2G weapons. Now my teammate flies off to north loiters around while the stuka makes bombing runs un -opposed while 1L10 herasses the hell out of me . Oh after i damage the hell out of Il10 My teammate comes fires one burst at guy he bails so teammate gets kill . Teamate then bails crashes repsawns gives up 2 easy kills to other team who are both over our targets didnt see what happend but assume based on the tatics I assume he just gave them up, each get a kill on him with in a min of his spawning . End result loss teamate gets 10 stars other 2 get 40 and 20 me 0. So I join next strike mission 2 guys from other team are thier so this time a grab my stuka . Now these 2 clowns pick team a and b17's and try and jam on a match .So I called them on the being the pussies that they are and took my bag of marbles and went home . Now I understand that often times people will setup a match unpurpose that is one sided to allow someone to get a plane unlock or achivement have no problem with that have been helped in that way many times and have helped others. Things is everyone in room is aweer of what is happening. That is not what this was. These actions are what can be the demise of online play for a game people try game if they are constantly being raped by A-holes. They quickly lose intrest and stop playing traffic on servers dies . puplishers see no growth - no intrest thus no reason to delevop sequel .

So my cheese of the week award goes to MAD-Coyote

Gilly 03-29-2010 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by f1rebrand (Post 151814)

In the lobby for the next game he then began to slag me off in front of 16 players telling me that I should fly in Dogfight mode rather than Strike if I wanted to shoot planes down. Basically in his opinion Strike is for bombing only (Apparently in WW2 bombers never came under attack from

I messaged him "You should deal with it. When I fly bombers I expect to get shot down but that's part of the challenge." The response. "Cheap shot a**hole."

How boring would it be if we just flew to our targets without threat of fighter molestation. This really is kindergarten at times.

I can't imagine ace bomber jockeys like Gilly or Branko complaining too much (unless of course rockets are used).

where's the fun in that???? Gives me something to do whilst 'on route' and while waiting for bomb respawn! The more the merrier in my book!

f1rebrand 03-29-2010 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilly (Post 152055)
where's the fun in that???? Gives me something to do whilst 'on route' and while waiting for bomb respawn! The more the merrier in my book!

Haha, just as I thought. Cool as you like.

Gilly 04-29-2010 12:31 PM

I thought I had just about seen every cheese ridden excuse for a player this game had to offer but what I witnessed last night was a real Stilton of a tactic. Save for the fact this one player refused to bail whatever they also carried a 250lb bomb on their MKIX and proceeded to drop it just before hitting the ground, blowing themselves up in the process and deliberately causing themselves to appear as a crash and deliberately stealing the potential for it to be registered as a kill. So it seems you can configure a 'crash' button by just strapping a bomb underneath and killing yourself when the mood takes you. Now I'm not one for singling people out ( unless you rob me of a kill by not being a man and bailing when your planes unflyable) but this player is now the only person to be entered into Gilly's Hall of Twats... with honours. Mind his 20 or so deaths to 2 kills hopefully means they reconsider especially when I'm against them.

Shadowcorp 04-29-2010 12:54 PM

thats a new one what a stinker most likley a sim or arcade who doesn't like the fact we bail

Gilly 04-29-2010 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowcorp (Post 156903)
thats a new one what a stinker most likley a sim or arcade who doesn't like the fact we bail

Ironically it's neither sadly. It's a regular player who I believe happens to currently sit at the top of the leaderboard.... I know why now

Davedog74 04-29-2010 01:07 PM

its a shame,one patch to sort anti bailing and killable rear gunners and the game would be so much better

bobbysocks 04-29-2010 03:58 PM

Gilly's Hall of Twats.....LMFAO...that's funny.

Zatoichi_Sanjuro 04-29-2010 04:10 PM

I've seen people deliberately aim for trees when they are damaged beyond recovery. It almost always registers as a crash regardless of how shot up they are.

dkwookie 04-29-2010 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilly (Post 156904)
Ironically it's neither sadly. It's a regular player who I believe happens to currently sit at the top of the leaderboard.... I know why now

Does he rhyme with who's that? Or are we talking mezo America?

scottyvt4 04-29-2010 04:22 PM

lol got to say some really valid points in here.


im a fair player in respects to if my aircraft is that badly damaged i tend to bail if i can alot of time i cant react quick enought to :(. What would you do as if you were flying for real A. leave the battlefield and limp home ( dont have that option on bop) B. bail. its a bit respect for the other players in the game IMO

hate kamikazi's (sp) ive flown into people head to head or attacking a bomber (gilly a few times :p) i will immeadiately send a message "sorry wasnt ment". ive never rammed someone cause they got me 3 or 4x in a row, i do my best to try and shot them down

rockets - also a lame lame tactic yawn sooooooooooooo boring, as dk pointed out it was used as an eventual tactic, but once the rockets were used that was it, but wee punks in I153's who sit on you're tail machine guns blazing and rockets used as quick as they can respawn yaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!

bobbysocks 04-29-2010 04:41 PM

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now i aim for the trees...but not to intentionally crash ( well sometimes but i will get to that). my best tactic for shaking someone off my 6 is hit the deck and blow the sparrows out of their nests. this is the one thing i can do pretty well..lol. but my plane must look like the pic below when i am done.

now as for crashing or bailing i will ask what is proper "Etiquette". i by chance did happen to get a kill or the guy after me spun in and he crashed...but not before he tore me to shreds. my crate is barely able to fly let alone engage. in real life (i'm with scotty) i would get the hell out of dodge and break for any airfield, try to belly her in a farmers field, or if too uncontrollable point her to germany and bail out. so at this point i may crash so i am on equal grounds ( equipmentwise ) with my opponent. Or should i stay in the air and serve my self up? i really wouldnt want anyone doing that for me. but if that is the way the game is played i will. i have never intentionally eaten earth simply to deny someone a take down. if i cant shake'm then then he deserves the points/kill. all in all i dont want to be a another twat in gilly's hall.

Gilly 04-29-2010 05:40 PM

I doubt that Bobby! The fact you come on here, converse and post some historical and interesting stuff shows you have inteligence!
As far as I'm concerned if you smash my plane up beyond repair I'll graciously bail thereby crediting you the kill. I wouldn't stay with a crippled plane in real life so why would I when playing IL2. I appreciate what Scotty says about the times when you can't or don't get the chance but to deliberately bomb yourself as you get low enough was just extracting the urine I thought. If it's not bad enough that you spin the wheel and hope when people crash you get the credit to deliberately destroy yourself really was beyond cheese and tantamount to cheating in my book. All of the guys I play the game will bail and not only do we play with honour, integrity and maturity we also acknowledge the games failings and try to get around this by bailing. Anyway I'd rather have a fresh plane and get back to killing than trying to fly something that won't!
Respect to those that do bail and watch your six to those that don't, I'll happily just keep getting righteous on your ass! Call it quality control!!!

bobbysocks 04-29-2010 06:41 PM

AAAHHHH so a bailout will give the other guy a kill?? i was under the impression that a bail would rob him of a kill. ok...now what happens if the opponent crashes before like i said and my plane was way beyond airworthiness? bail? and since he's dead and i survived...it goes back to 0-0?? there is a lot i need to learn about this game besides flying.

winny 04-29-2010 09:25 PM

If I can keep straight and level then I'm not bailing, you'll have to 'explode' me. If the plane's unflyable then It's time to jump.

Them's my rules and they seem to keep people happy. (Except sometimes for reasons I can't explain I hit the PS button insted of start and plummet into the ground)

Oh, if you've hit me with rockets, I'm staying in the cockpit and aiming for a tree.

Gilly 04-30-2010 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbysocks (Post 156944)
AAAHHHH so a bailout will give the other guy a kill?? i was under the impression that a bail would rob him of a kill. ok...now what happens if the opponent crashes before like i said and my plane was way beyond airworthiness? bail? and since he's dead and i survived...it goes back to 0-0?? there is a lot i need to learn about this game besides flying.

99% of the time on ps3 it'll credit the kill if you bail. There is the odd time when it doesn't but not enough to be a problem.
As for your question ( I'm guessing you refer to 1v1?) if he's crashed deliberately and I haven't been creddited the kill I'd still bail if I couldn't fly, after all to get me to that state they have had to have hit me a reasonable amount. And as I said I'd rather be back in a fresh killing machine than a limping dying aircraft anyway and time spent crawling around is time that can be used to get onto their six and hit them.
The idiot I referred was at it again last night and thanks to shadow, kav and bad for helping me not go too mental!! Had to take a break afterwards I was that p'd off... Think I'm taking it way to personally!!!!!

BRIGGBOY 04-30-2010 03:31 PM

what a cock that has to be the most limp wristed dick dribbling tactic i have heard of especially to stay at the top of a leaderboard that is totally knackered

dkwookie 04-30-2010 06:04 PM

I don't even recognize this guys name. How he made it to the top of the leaderboard with such shoddy tactics makes an even bigger mockery of those leaderboards than it was already.
But I must say it's good to have loosers like this in the game cos it gives us fair players someone to shoot with extreme prejudice. By this I mean I am nearly at the point where I hold back in matches because there are freinds I don't really want to shoot. We need some rogues knocking about to pepper.
In fact in my view we could do with a team of ace dickheads to get some real preasurised team battles. I wish that clan shadowcorp talks about would turn up en masse to spice things up

winny 04-30-2010 06:51 PM

Who is it?

I'm up for a bit of retribution..

I need to get back into this game, I bouight borderlands out of the bargain bucket and it just eats away at my online time. Getting bored now tho.

IamKFAM 04-30-2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dkwookie (Post 157134)
In fact in my view we could do with a team of ace dickheads to get some real preasurised team battles. I wish that clan shadowcorp talks about would turn up en masse to spice things up

Highly doubtful...

And the ones you really want don't live there anymore anyway.

BRIGGBOY 04-30-2010 07:57 PM

But I must say it's good to have loosers like this in the game cos it gives us fair players someone to shoot with extreme prejudice.

amen to that

Robotic Pope 04-30-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbysocks (Post 156944)
AAAHHHH so a bailout will give the other guy a kill?? i was under the impression that a bail would rob him of a kill. ok...now what happens if the opponent crashes before like i said and my plane was way beyond airworthiness? bail? and since he's dead and i survived...it goes back to 0-0?? there is a lot i need to learn about this game besides flying.

You got to be carefull here bobby lol. These guys are talking about the patched PS3 version. I got in a big arguement a few months back with a guy who said if you bail out the shooter always gets the kill, which we on xbox know isnt true. I didn't know that what he said IS true after the PS3 patch. But he WAS misleading xbox players that bailing out is a good thing to do when it really isn't, its no different than a crash. Best thing to do on xbox is stay in your plane to give the shooter as much time as posible to "Air Kill" you.


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Originally Posted by Davedog74 (Post 156906)
its a shame,one patch to sort anti bailing and killable rear gunners and the game would be so much better

lol this made me laugh hard.

bobbysocks 04-30-2010 08:23 PM

Pope, even if the plane is barely holding its own? i really wouldnt want a kill like that. shooting a lame duck while you have a fresh bird...i dont know, man. i would rather he get a fresh one and we go at it again. i am not in it for the points...will never see my name on a leaderboard. here for the fun and the challenge. but i dont want to P!$$ everyone off either.

Robotic Pope 04-30-2010 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbysocks (Post 157172)
Pope, even if the plane is barely holding its own? i really wouldnt want a kill like that. shooting a lame duck while you have a fresh bird...i dont know, man. i would rather he get a fresh one and we go at it again. i am not in it for the points...will never see my name on a leaderboard. here for the fun and the challenge. but i dont want to P!$$ everyone off either.

Well let me put it this way. Ive been in realistic dogfights with randoms who have cried out with slight anger "Grrrrrrrr, He f*&£ing bailed out" because they didn't get a kill. Ive never ever, not even once, heard someone pissed off because the guy they were shooting at DIDN'T bail out. On Xbox nobody will expect you to bail out so don't worry about it :)

f1rebrand 04-30-2010 10:24 PM

On Xbox no-one can hear you scream.

dkwookie 04-30-2010 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by f1rebrand (Post 157188)
On Xbox no-one can hear you scream.

ROFL
Fire you need to work in sony marketing. That's a ps3 ad campaign right there

BRIGGBOY 04-30-2010 11:58 PM

yeah f1re you can be a marketing consultant for me any day but back to bailing out i have a friend who has a grandad that flew hurricanes from hiballdstow airfield during ww2 and he told him that if a plane recieved an amount of damage that it couldnt fly then they would bail straight away as they were told from their commanders and enginers that if the plane caught fire then they would have about 20 secs to get out. but back to bop then i think most of us adults that do play the game do bail if they have the chance before or after patch

Shadowcorp 05-01-2010 12:31 AM

I live to raise another linux computer from the dead..... what!? oh yes

I have a second id, i suggest to those of you who want to punish the jackasses in question you also make up a second id, They won't know what hit them the, Bouzat didin't.

f1rebrand 05-02-2010 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dkwookie (Post 157191)
ROFL
Fire you need to work in sony marketing. That's a ps3 ad campaign right there

Thanks dk and Brigg. As it happens I do kind of work in marketing.

Cheers fellas.

McQ59 05-03-2010 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowcorp (Post 157206)
I live to raise another linux computer from the dead..... what!? oh yes

I have a second id, i suggest to those of you who want to punish the jackasses in question you also make up a second id, They won't know what hit them the, Bouzat didin't.

I'm right in there mate. Let's form up a "shadowsquad of proxys" and go get the loosers! :cool:

markyboyacebassist 05-03-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by f1rebrand (Post 157401)
Thanks dk and Brigg. As it happens I do kind of work in marketing.

Cheers fellas.

For the "Dark side" from star wars?:-P:-P

"Long may the invulnerable Xbox 360 pilots rule the skies! ":wink::wink:

Shadowcorp 05-04-2010 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by McQ59 (Post 157459)
I'm right in there mate. Let's form up a "shadowsquad of proxys" and go get the loosers! :cool:

Sounds good but we need to protect our secret identities, I'm ready to bring some pain to those jackasses, they won't get a 262 match with me again.
Any one wants to join the proxy squad PM me you secret id, i'll add it as a friend to mine. And when necassary the hunt begins!
In the very least we can make it unpleasant for the jackasses in question.

dkwookie 05-04-2010 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Shadowcorp (Post 157674)
Sounds good but we need to protect our secret identities, I'm ready to bring some pain to those jackasses, they won't get a 262 match with me again.
Any one wants to join the proxy squad PM me you secret id, i'll add it as a friend to mine. And when necassary the hunt begins!
In the very least we can make it unpleasant for the jackasses in question.

Call it the illuminati squadron

bobbysocks 05-04-2010 04:11 PM

ya need that eye in a triangle as your emblem...kind of the "then came bronson" <<<< (old 60s us tv show) symbol.

as for cheese...being a traitor in a team game gets me. got into several good team games last night and did fair. but in the one game this certain joker kept knocking me out of the sky. then i noticed he was on MY team! OK..i can see if i am on someone's tail and there is someone behind me firing..i move into their line of fire...or accidental stuff. but this was intentional over and over again. when i crashed there was only one plane pulling away...him. so whenever he was infront of me...i repaid the kindness.

dkwookie 05-04-2010 08:56 PM

Don't forget the secret handshake!

I have seen all the cheese tactics now and take it in my stride. Used to get wound up to boiling point but now if I get annoyed I get some altitude, circle for a bit and count to 10 then bnz the cheat. It's very therapitic

bobbysocks 05-05-2010 12:04 AM

i will say i dont get terribly upset. minorly P!$$ed but not going to throw the lamp at the tv. i just keep things in the back of my memory...forgive but never forget ( or you are doomed to be screwed again...screw me once shame on you....screw me twice shame on me ). and one day when i am a decent dogfighter.....

Shadowcorp 05-05-2010 02:46 PM

Wookie your right as ever, but most of the jackasses in question already know enough to fear you, secret squadron aside

Lahatiel 05-06-2010 12:59 AM

It kinda seems cheesy that you guys would form a secret squadron to isolate cheese tacticians. It is only a game. Take pride that you are so l33t that someone has to find a way around a toe to toe fight and get one up on you.

but hey, it's just an opinion...flame on.

BRIGGBOY 05-06-2010 12:20 PM

exactly it is only a game so why dont the spineless pricks play the game properly then maybe the fair players wouldnt have to go to these lengths to try to deal with them

winny 05-06-2010 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lahatiel (Post 157885)
It kinda seems cheesy that you guys would form a secret squadron to isolate cheese tacticians. It is only a game. Take pride that you are so l33t that someone has to find a way around a toe to toe fight and get one up on you.

but hey, it's just an opinion...flame on.

Fair point, I bet it'd be fun to do tho.

Shadowcorp 05-06-2010 02:07 PM

Good point.
I was honesty doing this because some of the major cheesetactians avoid matches with my shadowcorp account and instead prefer to pick on those who are less well prepared.
I'm certainly not going to be devoting all my time to a secret squadron not with red dead redemption coming out soon, but it would be a happy distraction if i ever get any time on my playstation any time soon.

dkwookie 05-06-2010 03:50 PM

Shadow your right the major Edam pilots prey on newer players. What I don't understand is they are generally pretty good fighters without the Gouda so what do they hope to gain from the dodgy tactics. If it's leaderboard position then that's a joke. If it's for personal amusement then that's pityfull.
Last time I locked horns with one was a mezo American variety and it was tb which ended up me v him. I dealt with it well except for the moment I watched him spiral from 10k ft without a bail. That was a big fu moment that made me realize it's not worth getting wound up by him

bobbysocks 05-06-2010 04:17 PM

dk....they need to be dealt with...in an underhanded way ( so to speak ) or whatever. they will drive away all the new players ruining their experience. instead of playing BoP they will jump to the game where they have friends and can have fun. i havent experienced this yet and am not too thrilled at the prospect...if and when it happens i will play to the end and go from there. but go get rat bastards...show them the light and err of their ways.

Lahatiel 05-06-2010 09:40 PM

I agree that most of the cheese heads are running away new players, and that is probably why I was so frustrated when I first started. So maybe you guys are right in giving a little payback.

I almost got run off, but stuck around for some reason. I guess cause the game is so much fun for me. Maybe one day I'll get the dog fighting down enough to help make some games cheese free.

Shadow, anytime you want to own me in a game it is cool with me. I might be slightly better than n00b level, but not by much. Who knows, maybe I'll pick up a hint or two from you. I only play on arcade though....I'm on PS3.

scottyvt4 05-07-2010 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Lahatiel (Post 158002)
I agree that most of the cheese heads are running away new players, and that is probably why I was so frustrated when I first started. So maybe you guys are right in giving a little payback.

I almost got run off, but stuck around for some reason. I guess cause the game is so much fun for me. Maybe one day I'll get the dog fighting down enough to help make some games cheese free.

Shadow, anytime you want to own me in a game it is cool with me. I might be slightly better than n00b level, but not by much. Who knows, maybe I'll pick up a hint or two from you. I only play on arcade though....I'm on PS3.


there are loads of feta players on arcade and ive seen a few play realistic and quit after they have been shot down couple times makes me chuckle.



Lahatiel ive seen you're name a few times on arcade .............. come on over to realistic, reduce you're settings bit of practise you will enjoy it we will look after you lol. Im by no means an expert ........... pretty average player kill myself more with crashing than anything - or crashing into gilly hahahah - the whole bail out when you're plane is goosed and falling appart is more a mutual respect thing than a golden rule, imo!!!

Panzergranate 05-09-2010 05:07 PM

The biggest cheese tactic of all is....
 
The most hated cheese tactic of all is when searching through quick match I find a game.... fair enough.

The game has just the host in it.

OK I've joined the game and am sorting through the list for the correct aircraft and bombs, if required, only to see that the countdown timer has been started.

I make a policy, as do a few others I know, of quiting out of the game as soon as I see this happen.

Usually it is kids and squeakers who try this on. They nearly always don't have a mike.

If I did play them one of one, and occasionally I do, they quit after I've shot them down for the umpteenth time as things aren't going to plan for them.

Last time I did this bit of meanness it was against two kids in a dogfight and they were working together.

Not having the curtesy to wait for somebody joining a game to ready up and starting the timer is really cheesy.

Gilly 05-10-2010 01:13 PM

That's always a beauty! Timer tickers! I enjoy these the most when it's in strike and I normally enter with a spit as we generally dogfight using the strike game. It's even more fun to find them waiting with a friend and as soon as you enter the timer ticks. I now hold off until about 3 seconds remaining and switch to a B17. It normally keeps the factory of whipass you deliver to a relatively short period of time....normally.....unless they quit that is!!
I even had one where the 'partner' was telling the countdown kid that he should stop the timer as they would take a hiding from me... they did!!

Robotic Pope 05-11-2010 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilly (Post 158483)
That's always a beauty! Timer tickers! I enjoy these the most when it's in strike and I normally enter with a spit as we generally dogfight using the strike game. It's even more fun to find them waiting with a friend and as soon as you enter the timer ticks. I now hold off until about 3 seconds remaining and switch to a B17. It normally keeps the factory of whipass you deliver to a relatively short period of time....normally.....unless they quit that is!!
I even had one where the 'partner' was telling the countdown kid that he should stop the timer as they would take a hiding from me... they did!!

lol fight cheese with cheese. HAHA my cheese is stronger than yours!!

Gilly 05-11-2010 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Robotic Pope (Post 158557)
lol fight cheese with cheese. HAHA my cheese is stronger than yours!!

Never out of choice but pull cheddar on me and I'll Brie you!!!

winny 05-11-2010 08:24 AM

Remember, Cheddar's for show, Brie's for a pro..

McQ59 05-11-2010 09:28 AM

And I met the camemberts last night in a really illuminating teambattle. I allmost didn't believe what I was spectating... To do the self-bombing inches over land/water is just the most childish shit I've ever seen in gaming. I guess we just have to do our killing in the air. And take no cheese prisoners!

Go chew them guys...

Gilly 05-11-2010 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by McQ59 (Post 158596)
And I met the camemberts last night in a really illuminating teambattle. I allmost didn't believe what I was spectating... To do the self-bombing inches over land/water is just the most childish shit I've ever seen in gaming. I guess we just have to do our killing in the air. And take no cheese prisoners!

Go chew them guys...


Kav mentioned you'd had the pleasure of meeting the 'bomb myself' master or should than be 'buum myself'. Sounds as if it's spreading too as I heard that their all at it. In the words of wookie 'it's time to get medievil' on them. Now where did I put that longbow......

KAV 05-11-2010 09:47 AM

Gilly
There were 3 bombloaded cheddars vs two goatcheese loaded norwegians.
Mcq was stunned by the cheesetactics, he almost went choked on a large lump of cheddar gpne bad........

McQ59 05-11-2010 09:57 AM

It was like I couldn't believe my eyes mate, but that was what they were doing. Shameless little chrashbunny.

I'm just adjusting the garrott for a little cheese-squize!

winny 05-11-2010 10:02 AM

I've not seen this... Are they basically commiting suicide by bomb just before they crash?

Gilly 05-11-2010 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 158604)
I've not seen this... Are they basically commiting suicide by bomb just before they crash?

Yep that's the tactic, fall out of the sky and just before the ground drop bomb, kill themself thereby removing the slim chance of a kill credit. It means they have no kills against them. Total blatent cheating tossers.
Anyone for forming an 'Agincourt' squadron, a special ops flight to specifically deal out judgement and execution on the amphibian munchers?

dkwookie 05-11-2010 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gilly (Post 158606)
Yep that's the tactic, fall out of the sky and just before the ground drop bomb, kill themself thereby removing the slim chance of a kill credit. It means they have no kills against them. Total blatent cheating tossers.
Anyone for forming an 'Agincourt' squadron, a special ops flight to specifically deal out judgement and execution on the amphibian munchers?

Aye I am in. When is St Crispens day again?

After Mcq and Kav told me before the match I made sure I followed them all the way guns blazing. Didn't give them the chance to self bomb.
This worked as it was a 3 v 3 medium altitude battle but low level or more players wouldn't provide time.
Lord camambert quit after about 4 deaths. Says it all

winny 05-11-2010 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilly (Post 158606)
Yep that's the tactic, fall out of the sky and just before the ground drop bomb, kill themself thereby removing the slim chance of a kill credit. It means they have no kills against them. Total blatent cheating tossers.
Anyone for forming an 'Agincourt' squadron, a special ops flight to specifically deal out judgement and execution on the amphibian munchers?

You have to admire the ingenuity.. Sneaky.

Medievil dosn't seem stong enuff. Get prehistoric on them.

Gilly 05-11-2010 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 158615)
You have to admire the ingenuity..

yeah a bit like taking longbows to a bow and arrow fight??!!


http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...l/826a74f0.jpg

bobbysocks 05-11-2010 03:37 PM

wouldnt it P!$$ them off if you rocketed their @$$s right before they were able to blow themselves up?

dkwookie 05-11-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbysocks (Post 158636)
wouldnt it P!$$ them off if you rocketed their @$$s right before they were able to blow themselves up?

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

To defeat cheese you must become cheese!

I still think sustained gunfire is the sollution. Against fair opponents I cease fire when I see the terminal damage wobble or spiral. If he is an unfair opponent I slam on the breaks and follow him down with a gunfire until either I run out of ammo or he explodes/wings come off

scottyvt4 05-11-2010 04:49 PM

agrees with wookie tbvh, starting to notice more and more anti bail'ers!!!! as ive said i try and bail at every oppertunity i cant get the buttons pressed quickly enough lol in a game i played yesterday i quit by accident :o


in response to gilly's pic this sums up the cheesemiester tactions(sp?) for me anyways

http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums...rs-defeat.jpeg


http://www.funnyforumpics.com/forums...he_Office).gif

Davedog74 05-11-2010 05:17 PM

im chuckling away here,iv saved the high scores one tor the next deliberate anti bailer,got to keep my head down in here coz im partial to a rp3,but rockets anonymous is going well
as for the bombing one, the host should say no bombs please when sorting planes and weapons out in the lobby,and fellow lobby players should back him up,5 voices saying no is better than 1,if its the host -new lobby





ROCKEEEEEEEETS!!sorry


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