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Need a help. Historical British buildings
I need the picts and photos of the following buildings in period of BoB (modrn buildinga are modified!):
London National Gallery London British Museum Westminster Abbey Dover Castle Dover Pier We would like to recover it in original look how it was in 1940. If you have it, just let me know please. Or we will have it as it is now....:( |
Just in-case you never saw this on the SimHQ or IL2 forums, here's a copy of a post I did that I thought some of you may like:
"Firstly let me qualify the topic! I visited the archives of the newspaper I work on in the Midlands of the UK called The Birmingham Post. Tucked away in the depths are newspapers dating back to 1881, but I was heading for the Battle of Britain period. Unfortunately, because they are so fragile now, they are not allowed to be removed from the binders that they are in, so I set a camera up (Nikon D2H with 50mm lens) on a tripod and photographed the main news page, which detail the attacks on Britain, and also reports other war zones. The detail is quite amazing, and I'd like to point out that as these were written 67-years-ago, we have the benefit of hind-sight so any 'historical' inaccuracies....well...er...weren't at that time! I have done my best to keep the quality as good as I could, and every page is readable when zoomed to 100%. The .zip file contains the original size photos of the pages, un-cropped. So if you fancy seeing what was being written through that period between the 2nd of September and 18th of September 1940, have a look at this file. As I have said, the quality is the best I can keep it with the constraints I was given, but it was strange for me to read events, which at the time were being faced by real people, but which now is only found in History books. Anyway, the .zip also contains some close-ups of war bond adverts of the time, and also (which I was amazed at to be honest) an aerial view of Buckingham Palace! So at least the Germans would be able to ID it from the air then! I have uploaded the file here: http://www.mediafire.com/?15w2xtgfldy This link takes you to a a download page at Mediafire, a free-hosting website. On it you will find the link to a .zip archive which is 82mb in size. If you download it, please take the time to reply to this post." Cheers, MP. |
have you looked this post from Rodolphe Oleg ?
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=129 it is a french user of the check six's forums and he always have a lot of good pictures ! May be he can help you ... I will ask him to have a look on this thread http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/Parliam.jpg |
The buildings are hardly touched structurally as they are Historical monuments.
The surrounding out buildings and service areas probably need removing from modern pics but the buildings are as they were then apart from the colour, mostly black / grey stone work due to dust / soot etc. Roofing materials and structures should be the same as they restore the lead copper like for like to preserve original specification, see national heritage and English heritage web sites, so there should be no structural changes made. As for Dover pier this site might help. http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...er/index.shtml |
Please remember that all historical sites and buildings were SANDBAGGED in the period of BoB. Monuments were covered up or removed to prevent bomb damage. Just look at the famous Anteros statue on Piccadilly Circus:
1896: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...circus1896.gif WWII: http://www.gallagher.com/ww2/images/..._II_12_69e.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piccadilly_Circus "The Shaftesbury Memorial Fountain in Piccadilly Circus was erected in 1893 to commemorate the philanthropic works of Anthony Ashley Cooper, 7th Earl of Shaftesbury. During the Second World War, the statue atop the Shaftesbury Memorial Fountain was removed and was replaced by advertising hoardings. It was returned in 1948." |
The book and the DVD (and the video extract) on this page may be relevant -
The National Gallery in Wartime http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/sho...oductID=300952 Cheers, |
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A tour of London in 1938. Buckingham Palace 00:15 Constituition Hill 00:01:30 British Museum 00:02:40 Picadilly Circus 00:03:28 Trafalgar Square National Gallery, Church of St Martins, Nelson's Column 00:04:04 Whitehall 00:04:35 10 Downing Street, Neville Chamberlain 00:05:15 the Centograph 00:05:40 Scotland Yard 00:06:25 Westminster Abbey, Big Ben 00:06:40 St Paul's Cathedral 00:07:30 Bank of England 00:07:46 Tower of London 00:08:55 London Bridge 00:10:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnupsncpTng&NR=1 More to come next week. ; ) ... |
British Pathe
This is an excellent source of period imagery. Just start pulling up films with London in the description and 1940 in the date.
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Dover Harbour
I have travelled through the harbour many times and on one occasion had a detailed visit to the Western Harbour to view the quayside when I was involved with a project to build a new cruise liner quay. Historically most of the foot and vehicle traffic would have gone out through the quays on the eastern harbour. There was facilities here to lift vehicles into ships by crane. No roll on roll off at that time. The western harbour was the train ferry terminal. The terminal building which was a large glazed roof train shed was still there in 1995. There was a roll-on facility for railway rolling stock which may have been pre war -- not sure Anyway you should think in terms of a lot of rail related scenery on the west side. The rear part of the harbour has a small enclosed dock (now a marina) where the smaller boats and fishing craft would be docked. I found this site which has illustrations of the central breakwater http://www.undergroundkent.co.uk/dov...breakwater.htm Some superb stuff on the Western Docks here including 1920's photo of the train ferry terminal and ww2 bomb damage shot. http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...ks/index.shtml More on here - Really good stuff http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...er/index.shtml Note the wooden staithes built out from the inside face of the breakwater to create moorings for ferries. Breakwater is concrete with a granite facing on the seaward face and on the high wave wall on the seaward side. 1912 map on this site. Train Ferry Terminal - Western Dock http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/transpor...ferry_dock.htm The roll on train ferry came into operation in 1933. There are aerial photos of the dock on this site. The Eastern Docks - The Camber -- This was the Naval Harbour in WWII Good photo of the Eastern Docks, or the Camber as it was then known, on this site. http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/transport/eastern_docks.htm After the Admiralty’s withdrawal a private ship-breaking business started up in the Camber. In 1930 the Tilmanstone Aerial Ropeway was opened, bringing coal from Tilmanstone Colliery to a bunker for loading ships at the end of the Eastern Arm. The Southern Railway also had a coaling hopper, opened in 1932 and supplied by coal wagons worked along the Promenade Railway to the Eastern Docks. From the late 1920s Captain Townsend started to operate his car ferry service from the Camber, thus starting the trade which was to build the Eastern Docks into what it is today. In the Second World War the Camber became home to motor torpedo and motor gunboats of the Royal Navy. Torpedoes and mines were stored in specially excavated tunnels in the cliffs. A number of cavernous fuel storage tanks had also been built into the cliffs to supplement the existing Admiralty fuel depot. So there is a fuel depot here somewhere? and underground fuel storage in the cliffs behind. Good WW1 shot of the Camber in this http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/history/...ver_patrol.htm Taken from the Eastern breakwater looking inland towards the cliffs. Note how the cliffs rise steeply immediately behind the quayside. The MTB's moorings off small pontoons are probably similar to a WW2 scene. Part view of 6in gun turret on pier - 1939 http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/history/world_war_2.htm Various old photos - difficult to view. http://www.doverpages.co.uk/dover/pi...bour_piers.htm Prince of Wales Pier - the middle one unlike the western and eastern quays this was an iron structure during WW2 -- it was rebuilt in concrete in the 1970's http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/transport/pow_pier.htm web cam here -- http://www.bbc.co.uk/kent/content/pa...r_01_360.shtml Fortifications above the Western Dock The Dover fortifications extend beyond the castle. This cover the other major part called Western Heights Lots of plans and photos in here. http://www.doverwesternheights.org/ http://www.bobleroi.co.uk/ScrapBook/...Move_05_2.html Worth looking at for the photo captioned Dover Jetty Lighthouse, Ferry Berths & the Radar Tower This is the view coming in the entrance looking towards The Camber (Eastern Docks) with the WW2 radar masts on the hill. Good shot of the lighthouse. Eastern Dock 1949 Photo http://www.austinworks.com/africa.html You can see the leg of a gantry crane in the background, rail mounted crane. Should be able to find a picture of a complete one somewhere to populate the quayside. Harbour Plan http://www.theotherside.co.uk/tm-her...nd/ferries.htm This plan actually dates from pre WW1 but it looks pretty much like the WW2 photos. Quays at the Camber are shown, Admiralty Pier, Prince of Wales Pier plus little short pier to the east of PoW which is a Pedestrian Promenade Pier. Old Dover Photos http://www.doverpast.co.uk/ The photo view across The Camber is interesting. The Roll-on Roll-off faclity in the foreground is post war but at the far side of The Camber Dock are submarine pens in covered berths. Dover was a submarine base in WW1. They may date from then. The Promenade Pier was demolished in 1927 it says -- so no need to include that. Various prominent buildings and hotels on the sea front are shown in the photos. Submarine Pens - Eastern Docks http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover.html#anchor174960 Good selection of shots of the submarine pens from different angles. The roll -on facility and reclaimed land on the right is not WW2 vintage but you can see the line of the WW2 quayside on the left (east) on some of the photos. Old Inner Harbour area http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover.html#anchor160141 Good shots of the old inner harbour area - probably turn of the century but much the same in WW2 I expect. Admiralty Pier - drawing http://www.doverturret.co.uk/ This is all about the fortified turret half way along the pier (originally it was at the end but the pier was extended) There are a set of drawings linked which give good cross sections of the curved wave wall on the seaward side of the pier and the elevated walkway along the top of the sea wall. Cast Iron railings shown --- not sure how much detail you need. I would think the cross sections given here could be applied around the rest of the harbour walls. Fortifications above Eastern Docks - not the castle http://www.undergroundkent.co.uk/langdon_battery.htm These were an important part of the WW2 defences and housed three 6in guns. The guns were aligned to cover the approaches to Dover and Folkestone. One of the images showed a sentry on the Breakwater with the shield of a 6in Gun just in view. It looks like a deck mounting from WW1 warships. It is likely that these would be available for installation. The drawings of a deck mounted 6in gun are in Anatomy of the Ship Series - Battleship Warspite Similar guns would be mounted on the Langston Battery and Western Heights Lots of Dover Castle information http://www.techcrunch.com/wp-content/Dover1.gif -- -aerial view from ms virtual earth 3d http://johnsmilitaryhistory.com/dover.html --- good general stuff with lots of images http://www.uk-photos.co.uk/aerial_kent.htm --- good aerial shot http://www.kented.org.uk/ngfl/subjec...book2-ks1.html --- another aerial different angle http://www.lastrefuge.co.uk/images/h..._castle009.htm --- another aerial http://www.castlexplorer.co.uk/engla...hotos.php#main --- wall close up shots http://www.electric-image.co.uk/Cast...ver/dover.html --- excellent set of close ups, possible good source for preparing textures. http://www.ecs.umass.edu/ece/pozar/dover.jpg --- view from the castle keep. The ruined tower to the right of the church is a Roman Lighthouse (Pharos) more here http://www.kentarchaeology.org.uk/Re...03/01B/049.htm http://www.dover-kent.co.uk/defence/castle_index.htm --- more views The Admiralty Lookout -- An important observation post on top of the cliffs above eastern docks -- not very big above ground though. http://dover-castle-friends.org/tour/admiralty_lookout/ Hope this is useful info. Ashe |
no more buildings- release the game!!!!!!!! add it later if you must.
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A lot of priceless art treasures were taken from London and stored in underground vaults near Aberystwyth in Mid Wales. Don't know where Eros went to but somewhere similar I would guess.
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Oleg:
Look for old postcards, they are easy to find!!!!!!!!! Picadilly Circus 1940 (staue removed): http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3258/...066cb8b322.jpg Dover Pier (Admiralty pier). I sent this link to Jutocsa over a year ago: http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Admiralty_Pier-10.jpg http://images.google.se/imgres?imgur...OJnI-Qay-ZCADA here is another, unknown date: http://www.dover.freeuk.com/imgs/jpeg/adpier1918.jpg http://images.google.se/imgres?imgur...OJnI-Qay-ZCADA http://www.reminiscene.co.uk/postcards/0471.jpg Dover - Prince of Wales pier , unknown date: http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Dover/Pof...ier-01_900.jpg Prince of Wales pier: http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/2HAPAG-Vi...-Dover_900.jpg Promenad Pier Dover, early 1940's: [Edit - Removed on request. It was demolished before 1940]. Old photos Dover: http://images.google.se/imgres?imgur...JdPC-Qbf6KT4Cw |
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Piccadilly Circus http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London.jpg Piccadilly Circus October 1939 http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London1.jpg This structure covers the statue of King Charles I, Trafalgar Square and the National Gallery http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London2.jpg http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London3.jpg House of Commons see from tah crossroads of Victotia Embankment and Bridge Street http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London4.jpg http://maps.google.com/maps?layer=c&...GGOtzJOJ31wO8L London Trolley-bus http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London5.jpg Trafalgar Square, March 1942 http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/London6.jpg ... |
Dover, unknown dates.
From this site http://www.old-postcards-of-dover.co.uk/ ...and... http://www.old-postcards-of-dover.co.uk/album/8 This may be useful: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...hakespeare.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214231838.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214232702.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...757_edited.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1220164222.jpg . [Edit :This pier was demolished/destroyed before 1939!] This shows the two 'towers' at the entrance of the pier. You can also see them in the next 2 photograph after this: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1224104208.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0215111622.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1231170217.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0113111008.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0115163935.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0123181009.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0123183646.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214225022.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214225542.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214230917.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214231041.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214231230.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214231335.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214231725.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214232013.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214232206.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214233405.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...0305165807.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1214230628.jpg DoverWesternDocks: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...217210514W.jpg |
the promenade pier in dover was demolished in 1927, so that photo preporting to be the promenade pier in 1940 in one of major setbacks photos, is how shall we say, somewhat inaccurate.
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British Museum 1910:
http://cather.unl.edu/images/cat.0020/cat.0020.014.jpg British Museum 1906: http://www.victorianweb.org/photos/p.../mendel/09.jpg -------- http://www.dakotaboo.com/postcards/i...ic%20view).jpg http://www.reminiscene.co.uk/postcards/0406.jpg http://www.reminiscene.co.uk/postcards/0447.jpg |
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Dover
I posted this thread re Dover some time ago. All pictures would relate to 1940.
BUT, the ferry harbour to the east of Dover Harbour is a recent creation and would not have been present in 1940. Also, the yacht marina did not exist in 1940 as it was used as a standard harbour. As mentioned earlier, the Pier did not exist in 1940. All that was present were the stone breakwaters. The youtube video in the link gives an interesting and brief view of Dover Harbour during a Luftwaffe attack. http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11866 |
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Dover Harbour after the raid looks like Dover Harbour before the raid ! :)) http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=25833 http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=50910 http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=25891 http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=12885 ... |
Westminster Abbey - unknown dates:
http://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/a9084.jpg http://www.stamps-auction.com/pics/a9338.jpg http://farm1.static.flickr.com/98/36...3ad7b666_o.jpg ---- Westminster Abbey. Captioned as '100 year old postcard': http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/red4me/london0002.JPG Westminster Abbey. Also '100 year old': http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/red4me/london_001.JPG Unknown date: http://www.dakotaboo.com/postcards/I...valentine).jpg Unknown date: http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a2...itled-0089.jpg Westminster Abbey 1914: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3466/...2f216b9a_o.jpg --------- St Paul's Cathedral. '100 year old': http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/red4me/london0001.JPG London 1930's: http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/...nbigben_a_.jpg Unknown date: http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/...parliament.jpg Unknown date: http://www.oldstratforduponavon.com/...mentsquare.jpg |
From this site (can be searched within site):
http://grumpystumpy.com/Pages/Englan...arliament.html Westminster Abbey 1933: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...m%202/WA01.jpg 1933: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...m%202/WA02.jpg National Gallery: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...%202/WNA03.jpg ----- British Museum: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...m%202/WBM3.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...m%202/WBM2.jpg Houses of Parliament 1947: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...%202/WHP06.jpg From Wikipedia.. Plans for British Museum ...for changes to be made 1906. This might show the old roof etc.: "The architect Sir John James Burnet was petitioned to put forward ambitious long-term plans to extend the building on all three sides. Most of the houses in Montague Place were knocked down a few years after the sale. Of this grand plan only the Edward VII galleries in the centre of the North Front were ever constructed, these were built 1906-14 to the design by J.J. Burnet, and opened by King George V and Queen Mary in 1914. They now house the Museum's collections of Prints and Drawings and Oriental Antiquities. There was not enough money to put up more new buildings, and so the houses in the other streets are nearly all still standing". http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._extension.jpg |
Postcard sent in 1945, so photo is probably taken earlier than that:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...202/Wlon01.jpg British Museum. Date unknown: http://www.cardcow.com/images/set131/card00317_fr.jpg National Gallery. Date unknown: http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00141_fr.jpg http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00160_fr.jpg http://www.cardcow.com/images/set131/card00217_fr.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...%202/WNG02.jpg British museum: http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00277_fr.jpg http://www.cardcow.com/images/set118/card00276_fr.jpg ---- St Paul's, pre war!!! http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/a...ian/aerial.jpg Tower of London: http://cache-media.britannica.com/eb...0-D33C2E4F.jpg |
Links - The Gallery in Wartime:
http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/sho...oductID=300952 http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/wartime/content.html http://images.google.se/imgres?imgur...MoXD-Qba0aSGAg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...202/WNGb01.jpg Watch this video: Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CU9T...ayer_embedded# http://www.nationalgallery.co.uk/war...ages/pg102.jpg "The Blitz. Bombed roof. Gallery at War: One bomb completely destroyed Room XXVI (now Room 10)On 7 September 1940, the Blitz began in earnest. The City and the East End bore the brunt of the bombing but other parts of London and the south-east were also severely affected. The National Gallery was hit by bombs nine times between October 1940 and April 1941. The worst occasion was on 12 October 1940 – a high explosive bomb fell on the Gallery totally destroying the room where the Raphaels had hung just before the war. On another occasion, an unexploded time bomb was discovered in the wreckage from an earlier attack. It later exploded while a lunchtime concert was being held at the other end of the building. Witnesses say that the musicians playing at the time of the explosion didn’t miss a beat." http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/up...01-c-third.jpg http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/up...-two-third.jpg "Myra Hess and the lunchtime concerts: Myra Hess had meant to stop playing the piano for the duration of the war. Soon after war was declared, she held a tea party for some friends. That afternoon she intended to play for one last time before locking the lid of her grand piano. The friends, some of whom were refugees recently arrived from mainland Europe, begged her not to give up playing. The idea of the National Gallery concerts was born. Starved of entertainment, crowds flocked to the Gallery for the lunchtime concerts. These performances were an opportunity to hear the foremost musicians of the day. Many were given by Myra Hess herself. Favourites in her repertoire were Bach, Beethoven, Brahms and Schumann. The aim was to make classical music accessible to all. The entrance price was set low at one shilling. The concerts were a huge success. Even in the darkest days of the Blitz, they were nearly always full". http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/up...two-thirds.jpg "On the night of 16 November 1940, incendiary bombs destroyed Hamptons, a department store next door to the National Gallery. The ruins were demolished after the war and the site remained vacant. For several years it served as a car park". http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/up...-two-third.jpg |
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National Gallery:
http://images.google.se/imgres?imgur...LZfg-Qa2pYnYBw Year 1910: http://www.nationalgallery.org.uk/up...c-twothird.jpg "There was a lot of public criticism of the National Gallery's building and in 1868 the architect E.M. Barry was asked to submit designs for rebuilding the entire Gallery at Trafalgar Square. After much discussion, it was decided that the existing building should remain, and a new wing should be added. This was completed in 1876, and added seven new exhibition rooms at the east end, including the impressive dome." ------- The Sainsbury Wing should NOT be included in the model!! ..and not the Northern Extension either (I'm trying to find out more about this): "The Gallery today -The new wing opens A site next to the Gallery had been vacant since the Second World War, when a furniture shop was destroyed by bombing. The new Sainsbury Wing was opened in 1991, to display the entire early Renaissance collection. This followed on from the Northern Extension, which opened in 1975, providing considerable extra exhibition space: nine large rooms and three smaller 'cabinet' rooms. These new galleries made use of natural lighting as far as possible. The Gallery today - Following the completion of the Sainsbury Wing, the Gallery has a total floor area of 46,396 metres squared" This is the Sainsbury Wing, to the left: http://nationalgallery.org.uk/visiti...plans/level-2/ |
Project a few years ago to change the National Gallery. This story is from 2002. I don't know what has been done to the building since this time. The new steps seem to be the most obvious change.:
http://www.hughpearman.com/articles4/natgall.html http://www.hughpearman.com/illustrat...lgraphic1a.jpg |
The British Museum. The old roof!! :-)
Bomb damage. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tback/WZ03.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tback/WZ02.jpg It looks like they kept the old exterior structures. They added a roof over the courtyard, put in stairs to the tower and pulled down some structures: http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X134...7%2F775561.jpg |
British Museum. More pictures of the old roof:
During construction: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tback/WZ04.jpg Complete: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tback/WZ05.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tback/WZ01.jpg |
British Museum..Windows from inner courtyard 1930's:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tback/WZ07.jpg Part of the rear of the Museum: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...202/WBM07b.jpg |
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I couldn't find the thread with the request for Tower Bridge information/photos, so I'll post this here:
1930's : http://www.oldukphotos.com/graphics/...201930%27s.jpg Very large picture of the bridge: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_4etys4lw.jpg |
Roof of National Gallery (I'm unsure if it is that):
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...back/WNG07.jpg BIG PICTURES - The following are from this excellent site with lots of VERY LARGE pictures. You can use the map function to show photos from all England (and other counties too)!!!!! All of these hand coloured photos are from year 1890-1900: http://www.histografica.com/search.a...to=2000&page=1 or http://images.google.se/imgres?imgur...CJCl-AaErtn2AQ Very big picture, Trafalgar Square and the National gallery: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_6fovt51x.jpg Another big picture from Trafalgar Square: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_qq1kjq07.jpg Extremely large version: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_qq1kjq07.jpg Picadilly Circus: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_jbjh16dz.jpg Extremely larger version: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_jbjh16dz.jpg Horse guards Whitehall: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_tiabvg95.jpg Extremely large version: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_tiabvg95.jpg http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_u9jqgrmi.jpg Extremely large version: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_u9jqgrmi.jpg http://www.histografica.com/pictures.../l_073gzuc.jpg NOTE: Extremely large version of this photograph!!: http://www.histografica.com/pictures.../o_073gzuc.jpg http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_x1eaoo7n.jpg Extremely large version: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_x1eaoo7n.jpg |
Etremely large Dover pictures:
http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_gp3qwzg1.jpg Extremely large version: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_gp3qwzg1.jpg http://www.histografica.com/pictures.../l_sf0pujc.jpg Extremely large version: http://www.histografica.com/pictures.../o_sf0pujc.jpg http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_qvilacua.jpg Extremely large: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_qvilacua.jpg http://www.histografica.com/pictures...l_6wig9dv8.jpg Extremely large: http://www.histografica.com/pictures...o_6wig9dv8.jpg |
Thanks for your research Major!
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Tower Bridge 30th May 1939:
http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/331...52222F25EC092C Tower Bridge 1 January 1939: http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/506...0A760B0D811297 Tower Bridge 1 January 1939: http://cache3.asset-cache.net/xc/504...0A760B0D811297 Piccadilly Circus 1939: http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/327...3FEF406871B787 Piccadilly Circus 1 Jan 190, according to the site caption: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9403310559.jpg NOTE: The dates I've given are the ones shown on the site. These may not be correct. Some of these photos look like they may be from later dates (from the Blitz). Bomb damage near London/St. Paul's: Colour 1 January1940: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9403430994.jpg 1 January1940: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...anuary1940.jpg 30dec1940: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...230dec1940.jpg No date: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../Ws3271401.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...back/W1940.jpg Maybe of interest: "1939: Three men operating a height finder in Kent, at the first permanent battery site for 4.5 anti-aircraft guns": http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...k/w3379149.jpg Similar height finder August 1939: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9393242120.jpg |
Some images of Tower Bridge didn't link, so I added them to these others from the bridge:
Tower Bridge 1937: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9373333402.jpg 1939-40: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...wt79044065.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...wt50608697.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...wt50444579.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../wt3366805.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../wt3312815.jpg 1943: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...4350624072.jpg 1944 or 1945: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...4450626693.jpg 1945: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9453069281.jpg 1946: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9463068845.jpg 1948: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9483429432.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9483361182.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9483318374.jpg 1950: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...5078962713.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9503328812.jpg http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9503307828.jpg |
German recon photo 1944:
"21st September 1944: A Nazi photograph of Dover harbour, taken with a long range camera. The entrance to the harbour, a patrol ship and its barrage balloon are clearly marked on the image." http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...9443324948.jpg Churchill 1946 Dover Castle: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...Wd71107940.jpg |
I meant to post on this thread last week but i just didn't have the time...I wanted to point out that during most of the 20th Century London was a really dirty city with respect to air pollution. This had a profound affect on a lot of londons bulidings covering them in a layer of a soot type material.
http://en.wikivisual.com/images/b/b3...edralSouth.jpg this is just one example of St Paul's (1970's in colour) to illustrate the point its difficult to do in b/w photos. London suffered from "smog" during the first half of the 20th Century due to sulphur gas being realised from coal. I personally remember seeing historic buildings being cleaned up during the 1980's and they were black with soot. hope it helps.:) |
1993 Westminster Abbey was cleaned (the outside):
Article: http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...g=6649,3882705 |
Discovered fascinating historical 'monument' that was present in London during BoB. A Bf 110 was shot down, belly landed, crew captured, and the plane was put on display in London in August 1940. It was the same plane visible in photos in the LIFE magazine article as it arrived in USA, and which then all the analysis/tests were performed by the Americans.
I have the LIFE magazine article with photos, and the analysis report. But no pics found so far on how it appeared when displayed in London. Some details, from John Vasco (Bf 110 historian & writer)
__________________ EDIT: additional info and pics Photo of where it ditched successfully: http://www.asisbiz.com/IL2/Bf-110/Bf...15-1940-01.jpg Photo of it being put on display in London: http://www.asisbiz.com/IL2/Bf-110/Bf...15-1940-01.jpg "..came down at Hawkhurst following the Croydon raid of 15 August 1940, seen here being put on display in Hendon Park. The crew of Oblt. Alfred Habisch, pilot, and Uffz. Ernst Elfner, Bordfunker, survived into captivity. Messerschmitt Bf-110D-0/B, S9+CK, was probably the most photographed aircraft of the Luftwaffe. Shot down in the early evening of 15 August 1940, it was subsequently put on display in the second half of August in a London street, and later at the end of the month in Hendon Park." |
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Your first link is Bf110 D-0/B S9+CK, JAGUAR ! crash-landed in France on July 21th, after being damaged during a shipping strike. Check the 70/71 fuselage camo. http://www.asisbiz.com/IL2/Bf-110/Bf...15-1940-01.jpg Quote:
http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/S9CK2.jpg http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/S9CK1.jpg In front and below the nose the bombenaufhängung ETC 500/IX b http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/S9CK.jpg The AEC Regent bus line "19" and Tram "33" ? could help to find the place where this One ten was parked. http://www.busesatwork.co.uk/Routes/019.htm 1C Got the AEC Regent DD bus, with missing frames on some windows !!! ; ) http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/AECRegentII.jpghttp://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/AECRegentI.jpg The LIFE magazine article, April 21, 1941, see pages 34 - 35 http://books.google.com/books?id=pEw...age&q=&f=false ... |
Rodolphe42, you are right. Will edit post.
I managed to find another photo of the display of it in London. Haven't figured out the address yet. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/...49_468x352.jpg |
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It was put on display in various parks and streets around the London area, it might be tricky finding exact locations, then eventually was shipped to the USA for evaluation. http://www.kbobm.org/IMAGES/bf110pt2.jpg |
Hi Oleg, Having lived in Dover during the BoB and up to 1998 i see your best reference so far of the castle and poW pier is the pictures submitted by Major Setback. the aerial shot of Dover Castle is ideal for the SOW as most pictures
don't really show the whole layout. I know the piers well as i have fished off of all of them. The Prince of Wales is as it was with the exception of the cafe at the dumphead end[lighthouse]. Oleg i'm coming up to 78 yrs old, will i be SOW lucky? |
DEAR 1C COMPANY this is TOWER AND AIRPORT BUILDING loock this....
http://www.controltowers.co.uk/new_2006.htm http://worldwar2airfields.fotopic.net/ |
Maybe already posted but anyway here it is
http://sepiatown.com/ Hope it can be of some help. Viking |
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Myself and Furbs, sent you a load of pictures back in 2004 when you requested some, i'm not sure if I still have them but I'll check.
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