Aerial deathrace
 

Some of my favourite moments in bop are chasing a low flying oponent who makes a run for it. I was watching than new deathrace film with stratham and thought it would be cool to see if there would be any way to set up a race on bop. Something like 3 laps around a map.
Obviously it would be hard to mark the course so it would need to b pretty simple like up and down the coast on Britain or Sicily. I thought maybe someone could fly to each end and crash to mark the turns.
Anyone any thoughts? Or have I been drinking too much!

What have you been drinking and how much?

sounds fun, add me xboxlive : smacktooth

I like the idea :grin:

Good thinking on having someone crash to mark the course layout.

If any of this progresses, you can count on me to be there

I thought about this some more and realised you wouldnt be able to use guns because a crash would cause confusion on the markers and also the killed player could respawn anywhere.

Why not do it as per rallying and have stages:
stage 1: manston to hawkinge
stage 2: hawkinge to Canterbury etc
that way you can still have your guns but you then have a staging point for re-assembly ready for the next stage?
Just a thought...

yes i like the idea but include guns but if ur shot down or bail out you are classed as retired

we could race throgh beggars canyon and score some womp rats with our t-21's.

Seriously though does il2 have any decent "tracks" theres a perfect map in over g with its own version of beggars canyon we race down all the time. Haven't really seen anything syuitable in il2

There's gotta be a course around dover.. Radar station, harbour entrance, dover castle, the cliffs.. All easily findable.

But without putting people down on the ground at the turning points it'd be wide open to abuse.

Personally I'm up for any kind of non combat flying across any of the modes.

Why not play it in Capture Airfields with two airfields. The race would be whoever takes off from one and lands at the other the fastest.

Well if you did it in strike you could use the targets as marker posts, out to the ships then north to first set and so on. Agree you need some sort of ref to adjudicate though or even 2 or 3 set around the track.
Winter in Stalingrad was my other thought as you could use the frozen river as a good starting point and then race off down the tributries even under bridges which could be used as marker points?

How about a relay race between the three Kent airfields? Landing would pass the baton to your teammate to take off for the next airfield. Four teams of English, US, German and Russian fighters for example. You could still use the landmarks such as Dover Castle.

Pudgy beat me to it.

I like Gilly's idea of Winter over stalingrad. Although my only reservation is that it may be difficult to navigate.

However if anyone is willing to get online and scout around for some decent courses, i'd be willing to get online to help them out.

I love the relay with airfields idea. That could b great fun if it's a tight race.
I just scoped out winter in Stalingrad and it's perfect for a race. The river has two islands top n bottom. Small one at top and big one at bottom. Basically makes a nice big oval race track. I navigated it with ocassional references to map but it looks pretty easy to follow

I was thinking of mass drag races through Berlin using one of the many rivers as a race course. We pick a field next to the river as a starting point. Everyone land and form up there lining up so our take off starts the race.

For practice we could do a few dry runs in loose formation.... marking any critical turns with a crash...

One particular river in Berlin is lined by buildings. This would make a great death star like trench run.

Just make sure you dont try eat tea while flying:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFPI54fOWoo

Lol! ;)

Was thinking along the lines of use the B17 to drop marker bombs along the circuit or at turns then put it down at the far end to make sure everyone makes the turns. It also serves as as a ground turret!!

You can actually fly pretty far off the map, and it will scroll along. It's possible to race at least 100 miles probably.

I once took a me262 and flew it to France from Dover. The terrain was all there, exactly modeled and everything. It finally repointed my plane back towards Britain just as I was about to cross the coastline.

Stalingrad is another good one you can fly all over the place, and best of all the cities are all clearly marked on the map, so you could designate cities in the northeast, southeast, etc as waypoints. Better yet, use gumrak airfield as a pit stop, where you have to land there, stop and takeoff again after each lap, with a 1 minute penalty for any crash. The british airfields are too easy, no haystacks.

i have a good idea

do a 21 lap cicuit of kent (2 lap race thought id leave it up though to make you laugh)
dover to manston manston to canterbury canterbury to dover 2 lap race


and split it into classes

jets
fast prop planes (spit xiv la's,yaks, 109g10/k4)
med prop planes (spit II and IX, 109s up to g6, p47)
slow prop planes (hurri, il2, i16, i 153)
bombers
b17 only (this would be good)
and a po2 race

Had a look at korsun yesterday as this has some good river valleys and larger arch type bridges. It's probably more suited to short sprint races but it's still quite good and maybe worth considering as a venue.

oh btw going on my idea of if ur shot down or bail out you retire if you land at an airfield count it as a pitstop and allow the guy to bailout and continue with new plane

i like it... i would give it a go!!!!!!

I think it's only fair we wait for wing commander dk to get back from his forced leave before we do this. Keep recon-ing though for potential circuits though.

Well dk, McQ, devilis and myself had a good reccy and a few practice runs on the winter in Stalingrad map last night. We got a pretty good track mapped out that takes between 5 and 6 minutes to do a lap. I think what became obvious last night was the differences in performance of the different aircraft and this would therefore have to be addressed prior to the start of any race. we mulled the idea of having different races in the same type of aircraft as this then eliminates the performance issue. All in all I think we made some good progress and had a pretty good laugh along the way too.

Yeah that was good fun last night.

I think if we exclude the jets its a two horse race between the K4 and the TA 152. The K4 looks to do the lap in about 5 and half minutes and the TA about 5 minutes 15 or so. The problem with TA is you really have to slow it down for the corners. It turns like a dog.

I have drawn a rough map of the course we ran in Stalingrad Winter and attached. We were starting parked under the most northern tributary bridge, out into the main river and down a course we marked with crashes before the race. I have traced the route in red and put blue marks where you need to mark with a crash.

Sorry for the poor artwork but once you get on the map it doesnt take too much to work it out.

ehem the la7 has a good chance against a k4 and ta

Sadly not, was tested last night. Too slow accelerating and was left for dead on the straights! Would be perfectly suited to a more twisty track as it can really hold speed in the turns though but as I said totally left for dust last night down the river.

nice, i'm liking the look of this.

Gonna see if i can find the course on the stalingrad map to give it a go.

Nice one guys *Thumbs up*

If you find the tributary on the main river just north of where it looks on the map that there is a bridge you'll find the start just along it under the bridge. From there on it's turn right down the river past Stalingrad, keep to the left fork where the river splits and then follow that until you have a real tight right back around and up the river. Not too difficult. I'll grab a screenshot of the map tonight and post it up if it helps! Will be interesting to see in action with 'equivilent' planes as last night was mainly testing different aircraft as well as creating 'gates' to fly through.

try and find a good course with lots of tight turns in it
try the bulge a race down the river

Cheers Gilly. much appreciated ;)

Also, i remember a post where someone suggested a race with Po-2's down those tight rivers in Berlin, So i was thinking with that one in berlin, it could be like a rally stage, where there are no laps, just a race from Point A to Point B.

Good idea also on grabbing a screenshot. if i find a descent course on berlin for the Po-2 (And you guys would like to take on this race) i will take a screenie and edit it

We're working on it. Last nights was as said 'reccy' run to check feasibility which proved very successful hence us then trying a couple of timed runs and a subsequent trial run. We'll be looking through the other maps for tracks. Korsuns certainly on the board as there's also some nice arch bridges to contend with/ use as gates!!!
Berlin also a prime candidate as there are some nice narrow sections which re-create that 'trench run' effect.

Map of circuit



http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...l/Picture1.jpg

Thought id also show how we marked the track using two plane crashes at either side of important junctions/ turns. these can then be seen from a good distance away

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...aulcgill/1.png

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...aulcgill/4.jpg

http://i941.photobucket.com/albums/a...aulcgill/6.jpg

it looks like you overlapped 2 maps

Had to use two images as the map was so large and sadly when you switch to map it doesn't show it all on the ps3, hence me taking one image in the south, one in the north and then overlapping them ( I know there's duplication on the left!!) It shows the track as it should be though

btw this is sim right? since most people in this will want it to be
although the outside camera veiw of realistic would make it more fun.

What you going to call it? Star in a reasonably priced plane?

lol they are not very reasonably priced though
a spit now will cost 2mill if you can find one for sale

I am Stiggles!

some say you have a fear of flying
others say you named that new beer called sink the bismark

Brilliant!
How about Red Army Air Racing

I reckon we should put this forward to Top Gear for one of their specials. Get them to do it for real

Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jXjYyxvDAU

have you ever seen the super corsair? latest prat n whitny engine giving over 4000 bhp then it blew up

If we do that we're obviously limiting to the planes with only a cockpit view whereas the orginal intention was to have differing classes of aircraft. Feel free to play it as you wish i guess at the end of the day. As we're not taking it seriously but as a way of adding some additional fun to the game we're going to be using everything from the Po-2 to the B17 and as such will be playing it in arcade as this then helps the ref determine what positions everyone is in as everyone is likely to use the same aircraft for each race.

Nice.

Or,
No Bull Air Race ;)

Damn. I'd better get unlocking some planes then. Don't have the Po, Ta, B17

Needless to say that if you decide to try it remember to limit the game numbers to just people who know what's going on. We got a rogue player in our first reccy who insisted on shooting us down.

I reckon a realistic race with arcade vs sim would be good. Bit like f1 vs wrc

aww arcade then the guns will be next to useless i was thinking of guns being able to be a passing tool oh well il play it as it is
i was hoping for realistic personaly (but the course takes forever)

f1 v wrc
f1 harder to be good at
wrc harder to do at all
its a bit like comparing skiing and snowboarding skiing is easyer to learn but its easyer to do tricks on a snowboard

I'm cool whichever mode it's played in just the logistics of it become a little more difficult with sim that's all and would need to thought out a bit more (eg your at the back and crash, you could respawn near the leaders and without being able to id you without getting in close you could effectively shoot down the leader unfairly). Plus if your all in the same plane chances are your all running together and therefore it's probably worthwhile having the guns less effective. There's then the question of rockets and/ or bombs too!!!

ok then halfway realistic would be best.
whats happening with the baling system does that person rejoin or is he out the race or what
we should do a championship as well round the world.
scores go like this
killed in action
killed in race
lucky twerp survived :D

or you can just use f1 points or make your own

People taking shortcuts could be an issue. Maybe one person should fly a jet to monitor the race.

yeh but make that a few people incase the group splits

Hence why I said about difficulties identifying and the reasoning behind not doing sim. We plan to have a ref if not two to monitor. Perhaps a stationary B17 to act as a ground based turret!!!!

no not a staitonary one.
do it like cycle races where a ref follows the pack

If we have a ref he can keep an eye on the map as that will show a corner cut. Anyone who does it twice gets disqualified. That way you can allow for a mistake.
Leaderboard will be good. We can score it like F1 with top 6 getting points.

ok then.
btw you are going back some years and your talking second place f1 winner now gets 20 points last year they got 10 and 2n getting 8 and it was 02 last time second got 6 points but 1st never got 6 always 10.
plus inly alow for 1 minor short cut. oh i accdently cut off half the course.
also wep will be a good factor in races too much and you kill your engine (if its realistic arcade wont make any difference) too little and your gonna be a long way behind

now lets get sponsorship lol

and my team is sponsored by so and so oh crap a cannon shell just hit their logo

Actually it's now 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2 thereby rewarding the top ten and the wrc has just adopted the same scoring system

Forget Red Army Air Racing, lets call it Tour De Stalingrad

That could add an interesting dimension to the race.

In fact the points system is too complicated, lets just do it with jerseys

Black jersey - Leader
Red jersey - Most gun kills
Pink Jersey - Most rocket kills
Yellow jersey - Most bailouts

if im online and you see me at any time im happy to do a practise race in realistic to see if its feasable (hope it is its my fave game mode)

So to digress but on the subject of F1, if you have an iPhone there's a great app:

http://www.softpauer.com/f1app/

Whats your PSN Haitch I will fire a freind request later. Should be on later, on most nights 8-10

i prefur points but you could do it with times.
the person who wins starts the next race however many seconds he won by in front of second place guy

same as my forum name

That looks cool, realtime during the race. I remember seeing talk of an F1 game a couple years ago that was going to let you race during the actual race and the oposition racers would be fed by live positions of the acual race. I think it was on some handheld that died a death called Gizmondo

yeh i heard that it wouldent work though cos oh dear he cant see me ike a computer can and he just smashed me up

Wow, that would've been superb.

I'm up for a bit of this..

I think it's gotta be in realistic mode, (maybe sim if the realistic ones go well) although someone would have to check if the arcade speed balancing affects realistic. I suppose with it being a deathrace it depends on if it's more about the death than the race..

Wookie.. if you wanna recce anytime just msg me, even if I'm MW2-ing it.
I'd love a nice relaxed flight without worrying who's behind me.


I'm trying to work out a Dover circuit to see what you lot think..

the deathrace jus implies you can use guns it has to be limited f/a though
we already have a dover curcuit dover to manston manston to canterbury and canterbury to dover although you could do a quickest accross the channel race

Cool will do winny. I dont mind a bit of realistic so will get online later for a fly around. I cant see it working that great in sim at all for the reasons Gilly mentioned. I think it will take a lot of the fun out if you cant id the other players and making those tight turns at speed without external view will make it very hard. Remember you need to start from the ground and land again to a full stop to finish. Not sure I would like to try that in a pack of players down a narrow river with only internal view!!

i agree with taking off to start but landing to finnish maybe not.
you should have to land if you wish to repair your plane though

Landing just adds that extra element of it all going tits up even if you have managed to lead the race the whole way round. Bit of a carlos sainz moment!!

yeh but then it might not be fair as you may get bombed or rocketed

That's a deathrace for you!!!

Yeah it adds nice spice to the end of the race, especially down that frozen river. The surface makes it a different challenge to landing on a strip or field. Your plane actually does glide around a bit. I noticed mine sliding while waiting at the start line for the others to line up

oh if were landing on the volga thats fine i just cant land at those russian airfeilds littered with obsticals

this thread should be stickied

You're right about sim (I was thinking more about speeds and not remembering about keeping the wings on!) it'd be a crashfest of epic proportions.. (and that would just be the landings before the start!)

And they're were plenty of them before we'd even took off the other night. As dk mentioned landing on ice adds a while new aspect to it. The torque pull of the engine as you try and take off on ice is real fun too!!

i find it quite easy ive landed and taken off in bothe the p47 and the b17 so other planes shouldent be too much different

But in close proximity, narrow river and ice it's slightly more challenging. The 47 likes to bounce on the ice when landing and slide sideways when you throttle up for take off. Appreciate it pulls normally anyway but it's exagerated on the ice!!

i have a nice twisty track

map ardens
vaux-su-sure to ettlebruk folowing the rivver the whole way
it will be great fun (carnage too as the river is quite narrow in places) planes i would sugest are the la5fn or la7 as you need a fast rolling tight turning plane

Who here taking part isn't added to my PSN friends list? SubaruGaz is my PSN.

Wookie What's yours? as i know i don't have you on there, And would love to do a little practice if you guys decide to get on for a spot of practice or recon. Also are you guys planning on doing some practice/recon tonight?

I also like the idea of a stationary B-17 placed somewhere on the course, would make great fun!

Also, i have checked the course and think it's great, i'm familiar with it enough now as i had a little trouble at first recognising what was what during winter low altitude.

Has everyone, practiced landing at the Start point? as i can see afew crashes taking place there if anyone isn't comfortable with thier landing skills.

Other than that Good job!

I've done a Dover point to point one that could be good.

Basically start at Hawkinge, follow the valley to dover, then there's a red bull bit (see pic) then a race up the coastline following the cliffs (below them) all the way up north till you see some ships in a harbour pass through 2 LHS of them then there's a huge airfield to the left, first to land wins.

http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/z...rone/Dover.jpg

I'll do a full map later.

My PSN is dkwookie. I will be online later and trying out some of the courses in realistic if you fancy joining. We did a few landings under the bridge the other night on arcade and it but we didnt have too many crashes.

That map looks great Winny. I like the red bull round the lighthouses idea. If we keep it low we could try forcing each other into the cliffs :-)

I'm GILLYBADMUTHA Gaz but I'll be more than likely on with dk later anyway.
As for the track and navigating it, that was the main reason for putting down smoking markers at points for turns/ junctions as I'm guessing they'll be needed if your trying to kill/ avoid being killed during a race. See the earlier pics I posted to give you an idea of how they look.

some1 try my track its hard as hell
i would allow small cuts on that track as it is so tight. but if your seen not trying to make the courners it would be instant disqualifacation.
so far we are up to 4 tracks i belive
kent trek
dover slalom by winny
stalingrad
and my one wating for approval

Can you post a pic so I can have a go? I will be on in a bit so want to try yours and winnys

how do i upload pics from ps3 to pc?
il guide you down it if you like

Just drop them on a USB stick or SD Card. I think Winny used googlearth though...nice thinking!

Ok great, will add the both of you ASAP, any idea what time you guys will be on?

I'm GMT timezone

Also, nice one winny for using Google earth, I didn't actually realise it was until Wookie pointed it out, i just assumed it was taken from game high up

some1 post my route cos my ps3 aint finding my only usb stick

Nah.. in game screenshot from 8000ft, if you look carefully the HUD is there...

Wookie and I just flew it there and back and it works quite well. I'll be on later to try out some more, Haitch's is good too it'd need to be in agile planes tho! tough corners!

when we having the first race? it will be fun do stalingrad as the first map

this thread deserves an award

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