Friday 2010-01-22 Screenshots AND Discussion Thread
 

Hello everyone,

We're moving offices, so our FTP site is going to be offline for a while as we relocate our servers. It came as a bit of a surprise for us. All older screenshots will be offline for a while. We apologize.

Here are some new shots for today, showing:

1. BR-20M radio room
2. BR-20M bombardier's position
3. Lorenz approach aid with fancy hut (fully operational)
4. More details of our tanker

We hope you like this week's update!

[Edit] And a fancy video, courtesy of MuxaHuk:
You can download the HD version of this video here.

Radio room looks great! Hopefully that can be a crewed position on a bomber. That would be fun in a multiperson crewed plane online.

The shadows the ship shot look very nice as well.

Only thing is I would like to see some of the real terrain instead of the place holder stuff, but I know it's WIP and it will come when it's ready. Great work all, good luck with the move.

The shadow of the rudder of the boat is bit weird

Do you think you may see it from the flying aircraft? :)
Also, it is not maxed graphics settings. It is DX9 shots.

The ships models are beautiful detailed, indeed they compare very well with anything I have seen in a ship simulator, so I don't think anyone should be complaining about their quality.

On question though, what warships will be modeled?

Obviously the presence of battleships, aircraft carriers or even cruisers would be unlikely in the English Channel, but there would be warships ranging down in size from destroyers to motor torpedo boats, so will we see any of these?

S!

Looks nice :)

That 's true ,just I was saying what can I see in the screenshot, when I fly I really dont mind in that kind of details ;)

The detail is great looking!...I think that the water look's like the real thing, nice work.:grin:

Thank you luthier!

I like radio room lighting!

Wouldn't it be nice if you can do visible damage to ships by straffing? In real life pilots often straffed ships - not because they could sink them - but because it did damage to crew and equipment.

Hi Oleg. as I saw this new Water I was amazed, nothing more to say or complain... I will buy it as it is... your work and support is without any comparison!!!

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
 

I love you oleg and crew. I want this game to be a huge commercial success you guys deserve it because of all your hard work. The updates have me really excited to see your work in DX 11. I know its quite a ways to go but i am excited for 2010. Keep up the good work. The level of detail is amazing.

Those two platforms on the bow & stern of the tanker, are they going to be for a cannon or anti aircraft gun?

By "rudder" I presume you mean the steering wheel, as the rudder is found at the back of a ship and is normally underwater? :)
The wheel assembly, binnacle and port & starboard indicators are very well shown, and I don't find any problem with their shadow. The sun is fairly low, forward of the ship and slightly left, so an elongated shadow cast onto rough deck-planking is going to look very similar to what you see in the screenshot. It'd be a shame to strafe this beauty!

A pleasing set of shots altogether - lovely detail.

B

I tried to say this:
http://www.nautilus21.com/catalog/im...era_885_hi.jpg
I used a dictionary ,now I see it 's a bad dictionary :D

Well as usual the modelisation is really neat, and it looks like SoW will be the most detailed sim out there.

About the water, I believe it's still WIP because it isn't yet 2010 quality for a sim.

I hope the water will be quality equivalent of Silent Hunter 4 (would be fair, that game is 3 years old now and a top notch 2010 flight sim could have that, or Silent Hunter 5, by considering that SoW would probably be played as long as Il-2).

> graphics can easily be tuned in options, if beautifull water asks too much FPS, take a lower setting! :)

Stuff here from Silent Hunter 5 :
http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/5...eensbismar.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5...eensbismar.jpg

Loved the bobardier position, ship and radio transmitter
To be honest, i don´t like the radio room, those rotarys wheels with the "metal crown" labeled "SINTONIA AEREO", "CIRCUITO PILOTA" and the other you can see on the three boxes, looks flat. Its obvious that the 3d effect it´s on the texture instead of the 3d object. If the poly limit allows it, it would be better to add some polys there and make the instrument a little more detailed to improve 3d effect, like you see on the red lever on the lower right box.

Thanks for the nice update. :)

Got AWESOME question which wasn't quested EVER!!! Will canopy frame bend when hit the ground???

friday bonus :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQbCIT-aMnY

That is a freaking porno SOW vid!!!

You are f&%ing kidding me!! What sim is that video? Where did you get it? It looks awesome!. Is it BoP?
I find a hard time to beleive its SoW, not for the graphics, but because i don´t know who are you and your relation to SoW.

if that's supposed to be SoW, then I'm in heat.

Soooo, we see a radio room position for bombers and Lorenz nav-aid stations that are fully operational. If any of you still don't get it, it seems like we'll be able to drop bombs in the night with help from electronic equipment. It might not have been a terribly big part of the battle of Britain (both sides used it however, the RAF in night fighter radars and the LW for blind bombing), but i'm getting goosebumps just thinking of an add-on about Lancasters and Mosquitos going against LW twin-engined night-fighters. ;)

As for the spitifire video, well, i can't say much except....OH...YEAH! That is all :cool:

Well it certainly isn't any version of Wings of Prey that I've seen, pit looks like Storm of War, water looks like Storm of War, cloud looks like Storm of War...

Want, want now.

:D

Is this really SOW?
Anyone who can confirm?

That is indeed what you think it is.

Fully agree, but a new guy come with this video, and without any clarification about it, make´s me doubt. Maybe i´m just too distrustfull.

Yupie!!!!

COOL! Now i BELEIVE!!!

What can i say? IT LOOKS TERRIFIC!, i can´t stop watching it! :grin:

Now we're talking! Very nice!

Is that still DX9?

The Shadows, oh, the shadows :-)

I know that now we'll all have a wonderful weekend guys!!!

sorry, i simply wished to look reaction.
i am graphics programmer at SoW team :)
we have technical problems with internet connection at work, and i have post this video at home.
btw, all team members is reading this forum :)

I keep watching it and wishing the pilot would head overland lol :D

Looks awesome, and very smooth too :)

Omg.

WOW !

I remember my jaw hitting the floor the first time I played IL2 way back in 2004 ( I know I'm quite late to the sim compared to others :) ).

I've just had to pick my jaw off the floor again.

WOW !

Of course this makes it all the harder now to wait for SoW to be released :grin:

Nice Bonus

Well, in that case this would be the perfect oportunity to insult them, but since the video it´s so good, i´ll let it pass and say:

EXCELLENT WORK!! It looks better and better every day!. And it does looks photorealistic to me!
Keep it up!

If this is SoW we are in BIG trouble!
I keep screaming “ Mind your airspeed!”, “Keep your wings level!”,”The airspeed!! Airspeed you idiot!”, “Noooooooo!”.
If this is my AI wingman I am DEAD!
;)
Regards
Viking

Ps! Very nice!

And bytheway that place on top of the tanker is caled "monkey island" and is a place for emergency stearing of the ship. The bridge deck is below.

I was flying that plane you know.

You need more practice, go fly some more and post the vids up, we'll all happily give you some more advice ;)

Ilya, please pass your licence... :D

I should have known!

Regards

Viking

Thanks again, Oleg, for showing us your progress.

That video was the best update we have ever had, very very impressive. :grin::grin:

Don't know what caused my jaw to drop further...watching the great video...or hearing Tree_UK say something complimentary

:) ;)

I jizzed in my pants

Signs of life ...... better.

I watched it in 720p HD ... spit pit was more washed out than the ones I have seen in real life .... but I guess thats a 'style' choice.

Little bit more headshake/buffeting than I would like (spit was incredibly stable)

No other objects around to judge scaling ...... but I hope we will not have IL2 'midjet' scale again.

Good WIP update for a change :cool:
How about some fps numbers over that water ?

There is a tremendous amount of shaking in a light aircraft most of the time, and mostly at the lower altitudes. Flying is what it is and I hope it is not dumbed down from complaints,

DX9 you say?
 

Hey Oleg,
Do you own a DX11 graphics card? If so, toss that puppy in your test system and pop out a few DX10 or DX11 screenies. Is that possible?
Flyby out
PS the DX9 shots look great at any rate.

+1

Just wait for inside views.

By the way loved start up procedure! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzsJBjbCyvM

The luftwhiners are crying already ..... some of us actually fly for real in 'light planes' and don't have much use for the words of 'keyboard flyers' :rolleyes:

What a stupid and utterly useless remark Protos :roll: Even if you are right.. Which by the way you are not ;)

Look at the video posted by 335th_GRSwaty at around 7:20 and tell me that there are no shaking at low altitudes.

Also wanted to say that the video from inside SOW:BOB is looking mighty fine. Love the shadow in the cockpit and the reflections on the water.. Wooow..

for a second i was thinking that oleg loves so much the ugly Italian bombers, all the time posting the italian bombers, but that video, that video my friend,

http://i970.photobucket.com/albums/a...pitfireavi.jpg

nice:cool:
with sound will be a 9.9, but is a 9.89 of score;)

That in cockpit vid of the Spit is just absolutely bloody amazing!! Now I am feeling very excited about the SoW release, it just can't come soon enough.

Cheers, CrazySchmidt. :)

Official reaction video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4

So it seems for the flyingonrailroadwhiners!

Besides, the post have none relation with being a luftwhiner, and that the spitfire was stable its independent of that it would vibrate because of wind, buffeting or other reason.
Juts because an aircraft its stable doesn't mean it will not vibrate.

Why I can't see the atached images? Is there some problem? Moderators, administarators, please?

Thank you very much for the updates, gentlemen!

We're moving offices, so our FTP site is going to be offline for a while as we relocate our servers. It came as a bit of a surprise for us. All older screenshots will be offline for a while. We apologize.

I liked the Spitfire startup and flight video - great ground detail, but I thought the cockpit was a bit washed out.

:cool:

What, no knit-picking? No 'you better step your game up Oleg' remarks? I really am impressed! LOL.

That video is awesome; I can see the light at the end of the tunnel now :grin:

That was great. Solid commentary, not hyped up and I see what you mean about the buffeting (wondering why the cockpit looked odd, then clicked that the sights were missing :)

The SoW video looks like heavy turbulence, that AS indicator is really jumping around.

Fantastic to see game footage like this, keep it coming.

What's with the office space troubles? Someone forget to drop off the rent?

love the headshake and needles jumping around, this is going to be intense in dogfight

Not that much, no. Yes, I do know. I've flown around England in light aircraft in all weathers for many years. The only kind of buffeting that I've experienced that even approaches that shown is at very low level (<1000ft), and with gusting windspeeds in excess of 35kts. Yes, you do get 'bumps' with turbulence and convective action, but they are of large amplitude and very low frequency.

A more realistic depiction of turbulence would be dropping a wing as you fly through the edge of a gust, or the VSI indicating large variations in climb or descent with consequent movement of the pilot's head. Perhaps also the 'wobble' that you sometimes experience when climbing through the top of an inversion layer and encounter a bit of windshear.

One interesting point to note is that the stall buffet is sometimes called the 'nibble'; which is a useful change in terminology, indicating that it is so light in certain aircraft that you won't notice it unless you're paying attention. The Pitts will give you virtually no warning at all, except for the extreme rearward position of the stick.

Another thing is that the ASI needle doesn't really rattle about in turbulence like the video shows, the inertia of the whole ASI system & bourdon tube is too great for it to do that. However, going through windshear you will sometimes see the needle rise or fall a large amount, dependent on the amount of shear. Very scary on final: Add power, go around, and be ready for it next time.

Nevertheless, I am seriously impressed by that video; very, very close to the real thing. Congratulations are to be extended to all involved.

W.

You can't tell the truth like that to the keyboard jockeys in here ....... :grin:

Thank you very much for the MAJOR update. The pic's were great but this video is looking unreal! Now get back to work. I need this game. Wallet opening!

@ 335th_GRSwaty

Thankyou, very nice...


@ 13th Hsqn Protos or RAF Winger

You are easily offended, sorry...I only spoke from experience

Not offended at all. Your experience differs from mine, that's all.

W.

please no flamewars :)

The clouds around 1:13 looks fantastic !!!

Hi Luthier. Did you get my Message that was sent to you?

All Good
 

Thanks luthier,
Liked the Spitfire cockpit vid - looks very good. Also liked the working Lorenz approach radar and the great ship detail - would be interested in a list of ships you are creating for BOB SOW?
Have a good move - moves are always a bit stressful, so hang-in there.
DFLion

Looks just how I hoped it would , now my editing fingers are gettin ready....

Thank you for the video, maybe this was what we all were looking for...
Very interesting indeed !

Is there any reason to have so many elaborated shadows in the cockpit but no propeller?

I can see, mainly from the clouds’ shadows on the water and land, that you maintain certain distance for the rendering of the clouds or “cloud pop-up”
as it was called in some old posts 4.09b & landgeom=3 related.

Has this distance has been increased in SoW compare to il2?

From what I see I can sincerely appreciate how much work has been done, from what I don’t see I can also realize how much work is left. :)

Salutes & best wishes,
Majo.

PD.
Please consider…
The amount of inputs we are receiving lately with the SoW updates, patch 4.09m and the Daidalos Team's plans for future patches are making this site
a little confusing. :confused:

Even though we all are a happy family, don’t you think it’s time for everyone to have its own breathing space?

Thank you again.

Oleg,

thanks for the posting of the cockpit video, it looks fantastic !! very realistic sense of being in a physical cockpit now

great to see the gunsight working in such detail, and the illuminated reticle staying the correct size as the pilot leans forward and back (i even measured it to be sure to be sure :) )

That was the funniest Video I've ever seen, I laughed till I ..........jizzed in my pants. LOL.

Your a piece of work Protos. Do you have trouble getting that Ego through doorways?

Despite Protos antagonistic style this video of inside a Spit cockpit is rather smooth.

YouTube - "Kent Spitfire" in-cockpit display at Biggin Hill 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A33ThFYEZNs

That said I have no clue how much if any air turbulence there was in the video and what the simulated conditions were in the SOW video.

either way the SOW video is first rate.

edit: after taking another look I realized the camera was fixed to the airframe so it would look much smoother than the same camera affixed to the pilot helmet

not really ..... if the ship is not buffetting why would the pilots head (your body/neck acts as a damper ;) ) ..... I have run into all sorts of low altitude turbulence ..... and it never does to a plane/glider what it does in IL2 or that vid ...... as RAF Winger confirmed there is nothing close to that kind of amplitude or violence.

The comment about dropping a wing or a short 'bump' are much more accurate.

thanks for the great update Oleg and team. Loved the movie.

I'm not a Spitfire expert but according to this site (Anatomy of the Spitfire cockpit - great site BTW):

The panel and most of the other instrumentation were painted in black, providing contrast from the Interior Green of the structural elements.

http://www.spitfiresite.com/referenc...02es09_016.jpg

Regarding the amount of turbulence, it does seem excessive but then I've only been in such turbulence in a much slower plane. As someone else mentioned it seems the frequency of the bumps is too high. It almost seems like the engine is about to come apart. I also wouldn't expect the RPM needle to jump around like that in turbulence but I WOULD expect that from the canopy handle/wire ;-)

Love to see a complete overcast video next!

cheers

no audio hmmm?

wops visuals are every bit as good imo.

plz have a option for cockpit shake on or off. for many like me its horrid , and can affect track ir movements.

What ????? ............ Protos said cockpit was washed out ...... hmmm = wtf does Pro know ........
Oleg and Luthier that is a 'realistic' pit ... how about making it look like that (at least colors) and forget about 'weathering cockpits'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!

Book in for an eye test.

Regarding the buffeting shaking comments.

Its bouncing due to the way its being flown, looks like some fast hard manoeuvring speed indicates over 220mph in most of those turns and dives.

The first 30 secs are smooth and the last few secs are too when not flown aggressively.

Again nice bonus and looks great well done all at 1c Team and thanks again for a long awaited video :)

Edit.

You can see the low level flight buffeting in similar cloud conditions in this vid, look at the pilots shoulders and canopy release handle, now imagine what the buffeting would be like if he pulled the same moves as in the SoW video clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRjR99lR_7c

S!

Nice video indeed, shows some of the effects etc. That shaking is maybe a bit overdone IMO from what I have been in prop planes (military and civilian). As mentioned before the shaking is rough near the ground and near certain terrain areas. But nevertheless, great show! And I am sure things are not final in this video so still WIP ;) (waiting for the purist bandwagon to jump in ;) )

:grin::grin::grin: raf74 winger only confirmed because he is you and you are him ;):rolleyes::rolleyes:

It only appears that the ship is not buffetting because the camera is mounted solidly to the airframe, so you won't see the cockpit framing bounce from that perspective. Take note of the pilots head bobbing around, from this point of view the cockpit framing would be moving relative to the terrain. I have no idea how much it would bounce, the last time I was in a dual seat CF104 Starfighter 40 years ago, I was just trying to keep my lunch down. ;)

best update that we have had great job!!! :)

Nice and promising video. Clouds are gorgeous, and they account for 50% of the immersion imho. The dynamic shadows add realism to the beautiful cockpit. The whole sequence gives an overall impression of "being there", immersion looks promising. Water cannot be commented, too distant, but the white breakers are fine.
It seems that the antialiasing is not yet in, looking at the canopy frame.

All in all: I believe that SoW will be a masterpiece, a milestone in the sector.

Luthier and crew, keep up the good work, and stop your bad habits, like sleeping at night and not working during weekends!

Bye,
insuber

Please.

Maby "experts" could do a advanced aerobatics session in +200Mph amongst clouds and then come back complaining about exessive bufferting, jeeze, some of u people just have to complain no matter what!?

Unbeliveble.

S!

Not being a "jeez expert", but done some 1.6M flying at 13km and 1090km/h at 600m ;D :D

And iv done 850Km/h at 24K, so whats your point ;)


Im pretty sure there isnt a singel person in theese boards that have done what is shown in that Spit vid.


100% sure infact.



My point is: why not enjoy the FIRST SoW in flight video EVER, i mean what the hell is the problem?? (Not asking u in perticullar)


I for one enjoyed the hell out of it and i feel for thoose who cant.

isnt the shaking in oleg's clip only when the plane is near stall speed ? looking at the rpm meter the power setting is very low. depending on airflow and turbulence it could be shaking that much ?

Great video !! The best update we ever had !!

One question for Mr. Luthier, the pilot: could you post the specs of the computer you were using to fly? The video plays very smooth, no FPS shown.

Keep the good work up, 1C Guys, we are your followers !! :shock::shock::shock:

mmmm...yes, the trademark spitfire green and black interior paint has undoubtedly been compromised in favor of a flaky, muted paint job that for all intents and purposes makes the cockpit gunmetal. It looks good on screen but I cant help but to harken back to a certain WoP thread in which similar "cinematic effects" had a good 50% of this board stark raving mad.

unless the colors are washed out simply from capture and compression, but it doesn't appear that is the case.

Really enjoyed the video....fantastic work guys. Thanks for keeping us updated. Little things like this from time to time make all the difference.:grin:

This project has got to be THE most complex piece of PC gaming software to date. I'm pretty sure no other development studio would lavish such care and attention to detail and realism as Oleg and his team have.

I really want to see 1C make a decent profit from this venture and go on to make more great sims in future. Developing something like this over so many years is a huge financial burden. We've all seen how the smaller (better) software houses can get into trouble and are taken over by the big players. Then everything goes down hill. Look what happened to Falcon.

To the 1C team: many of us devoted flight sim fans would happily pay for additional content released shortly after the main title. Just little things like an additional navigation aid or more complex cockpit controls for a particular aircraft may not take as long to develop as a major update but will get many of us pretty excited and at the same time give us a chance to support 1C and it's future developments. I realise you need to keep the price of the main title competitive but to me it just doesn't seem adequate reward for all the effort you guys have expended on this.

Thanks again for all your efforts...without 1C the future of WWII flight sims would indeed be bleak. Please think about ways the community can help fund future develpments of this title through more regular purchases. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has spent far far more on flight gear than on the actual software title. It seems wrong really.

Dave

Those complaining about the washed out cockpit and lack of contrast between green and black coloring, pls check one of the earlier update screenshots at Foo.bar's site.

http://fooblog.mexxoft.com/wp-conten...0/grab0100.jpg

You can see that in this vid you simply don't see those parts were this contrast is clearly visible. I think the weathering is realistic for a plane spending even just months in combat situation, many hours under sun, etc. I definitely would not expect a look what you get when taking a picture with flash inside a pristine restored plane.

This gonna be an awesome sim. Excellent job.

Lovely eye opening video. Thanks.