finally got the B17!!
 

long road to get it but man o man... packs a whalup for sure. first time in it, i even scored a kill with one of the gunner views!!!

Just wait till you master the gunner side of things, unless you come against a real ace you can really rack up the kills! Plus it gives you something to do whilst waiting for bomb respawn!! I've even been known to take it into dogfights and team battles!!! Enjoy the big bird!

Good, I'll come and get you now. Watch your belly. ;)

Thought you were referring to Branko57 for a minute.

Grats siteseeker! That B-17 has got a real stingy azz...
Whatch out for the G-6's and u'r neck! ;-)

There's two of these 'aces' I refer too above!!!!

I actually think P47's and Stukas are much harder to kill than B17s.

B17 is a piece of cake to bring down once you work your up n under out. Blind spots at 12 and 6 so take advantage.
The one I have major problems with is the IL10. Get someone in that who knows what they are doing and its a real effort to bring down. We had one guy in a team battle last week in one and he got 20 kills with his rear guns. He just kept it at full throttle and gunned down everyone who tried to catch up with him. I was in a spit and found it damn near impossible to get a belly shot on him

Afternoon DK! Add another to that list of aces I was mentioning!
If you get any of these 3 your pretty much dead, run fast and saty very low and you may have a slim chance! Best advice is run and hide!!!!

Hey gilly good to see you on here mate.
You and branko the only b17 pilots I don't like going near! Real masters in them

Don't shoot down devilis in his B17 unless you want a verbal tirade. Gilly will vouch for that.

Funny thing is dk, branko didn't know you could switch to manual gunner view until I told her a couple of weeks ago!! Came as a bit of a revelation I think!!!

Haha! Bark worse than his bite! Doesn't help when we keep winding him up! Has become a bit of a laughing point when he starts, always ends with him challenging his agressor to a game of fight night!!

i can vouch for the "aces mentioned above"... been shot down quite a few times by them :grin:

Ha ha, no way! Branko cracks me up. Keeps sending humerous messages before the game like "don't hurt the lady".

Yeah I've had that one. Quite comical how she throws the B17 around in CTA!

To get the best effect with the b17's guns, try setting up a custom layout and set the left stick to elevator/ailerons, the right stick to freelook, and change the guns to R2. Set l1 and r1 to throttle up/throttle down and leave the rudder off, you won't really need it.

This allows you to shoot and aim at the same time, which you can't do with most of the layouts. So you can strafe any approaching plane with ease.

The only real blind spots for the b17 gunner are the exact 3 and 9 o'clock, and directly above. If you're attacking someone who knows how to shoot below them, flying under them is suicide. After attacking them in training lots of times, I got the best results by flying above and beside them at a distance till I get in front, then dive towards them at an angle, from about 2 o'clock from the top or the side. Just like a head-on pass with fighters, it's harder for the gunner to hit a target when there's more closing speed. After the pass, fly away at 90 to 60 degrees angle to the direction the b17 is headed, then repeat.

B17's weren't hard to shoot down in real life. Check out this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpnIiln14NM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyJAl...rom=PL&index=4

The first one has inspired me to keep trying to knock down 4 to 6 with one 109 in training, but so far I've managed it once with a k4, and it took a while.

The gun-cams in the second one, in BOP they would have been blown to bits in seconds. The 110 was just parked right behind a b17 leisurely strafing all 4 of its engines. Try doing that to a b17 in BOP.

sounds stupid but you should really avoid hurricanes on arcade they're absurdly overpowered on that mode(even more than usual) you get a lot of noobs who simply get on your tail and spray you. I've had my p-47 ripped to pieces on arcade by trigger happy hurricane pilots

play sim. the hurri failed at sim... ^^

Hurricanes in arcade can be a pest but they are normally outclassed completely by the Spitfire. A decent arcade player will eat novice hurricanes for breakfast.
On the other hand an arcade ace in a hurricane is a different matter. I know 3 hurricane aces in arcade that I know I cannot get a one on one kill against in my spitfire. I will get out turned and shredded in no time.
I wont fly a hurricane though, I hate its roll rate and its guns. The more cannon the better in my books

even in arcade u can fly faster than a hurri with the g6 for example. get into a nose to nose situation. your cannons wil clear the sky...


a flatspin is also a good countermeasure.

The Spits are wonderful planes, but there's over 40 planes in this game, and I only ever see two. So while it's an amazing plane, I'll continue flying my IL-10/Yak/Po-2/Anything that's not a Spit. Unless it's a B-17. Like you said, cannons are the way to go. Fuel up the He-162 for an anti bomber run and you can wrack up around 20 kills or so in a drawn out match. Not to mention it just feels good to fly planes you hardly ever see anyone else in, or that no fighter will ever catch you. And Siteseeker, I've flown against you. I remember you. We've had some hellacious CTA matches. I look forward to even more brutal ones. Those are always good fun. I also look forward to eating your tail guns in my He-162. And so on and so forth. Cheers, have fun with the B-17!

I'm primarily a hurricane pilot but i heartily agree when it comes to a b17 you need cannons, a 109 g6 or a spitfire even a fw190 if your brave enough( i'm not :) ). One great thing about a b17 is 153 noobs/aces cannot catch you lol

Well as a b17 jock the only things that worry me are g6's and spittys are they can rip you apart in seconds if the guys even half good or IL2/ 10's as they take so much punishment. I think it's more about the pilot though and their ability to hit the wings/ engines or as dk says the belly. The 17's fun in team battles (did I say that) as it turns into the 'great b17 giveaway' in that they line up behind it giving your guys easy pickings!

Watch out for Me-163 Komets..... the B-17 has little chance of survival as this is a specialised B-17 killer.

The same goes for the Bf-109 G-6, Bf-109 K4 and Bf-110 C-4..... all specifically adept at bomber killing. The Bf-109 K-4 has frontal armour just for this purpose.

Best method for killing B-17s...... climb above, wing over and drop down from above where they can't shoot back and aim at the wings.

Bf-109 K-4 has frontal armour...

the last secret is fallen... :(

The Hurri's always done the job for me but maybe I'm making hard work of it. [Pondering 109's]

[QUOTE=Panzergranate;139782]Watch out for Me-163 Komets..... the B-17 has little chance of survival as this is a specialised B-17 killer.

Sadly though they're a little to flimsy and can be shot down with a quick accurate burst. Plus there aren't many who can actually fly the things properly, most tend to just whistle about between ground and 41,000ft which yes in real life is up where the B17 flew but as in the game the bomb aim only works upto 14,000ft means there's little or no point to it. As I've mentioned earlier in the thread there's only a few pilots I consider a risk when I take it out and that's because they know what they're doing and do it quick.

I was playing strike last night and there were 2 b17s on the opposite team. I picked the 109 g6 and as it's not as manuverable I couldn't do my normal belly or roof shot. I started shooting at the wing tip and it blew straight off imeditaly. Tried this on the next one and same thing, almost instant kill. Racked up 10 b17 kils in space of a few minutes doing this. Each time exactly the same wing destruction. I wouldn't expect this to work against someone like gilly or branko though because it relies on you getting nice and close behind the b17. That's not going to happen with an ace opponent!

Speak to Mr McQ about the G6, he has the above, wing drop, dive and rip the wing off method down to a tee. That's the move that always tells me someones good but yeah yor right them damn cannons are lethal!!! That said dk you've always managed in most things you fly to be pretty effective and devastating!!!
*this is gonna hurt* !!!!!

If hard works ripping it up bigtime then yeah maybe you are!!! As I've said, pilot makes a big difference!!

...and the K-4, it'll rip a B-17 to shreds, or any other bomber for that matter!

I dont think so, maybe, and i will have to bet, that the rear and ball turret gunner eithr ran out of ammo or in a worst case sonario shot dead by incoming fire. And cant help that most of the bombers that were in that video were not firing back and were completly alone.

Nothing though beats the Me262 for Downing B-17s. Four 30mm cannons concentrated in the nose, can knock off B-17 wings from miles away out of range of the turrets. In a 109G6 and K youve got to get the B-17 into the convergence of the gondola wing cannons for full hittingpower, not so the Me262.

b-17
 

how in the hell do u unlock the b-17 and the p-47 please let me know im dying to flythem since there is only 2 american planes in the whole game

win 50 online strike missions in any bomber to get the B-17... the P-47 is downloadable content and cost $10 US...

best to use the Arado for the 50 wins IMHO :grin:

30 wins on the PS3 (post patch)

really?!!??! seems like i had to win 100 to get it :grin:

In the guncam video, they were, but the other one was USAAF or War Dept video and they were dropping out of formation all over the place, and only hit one fighter.

they only carried a few hundred rounds and ran out of ammo fast. Gunners getting killed was also common, they don't get killed in BOP. The bop gunners also don't have to yell to each other what direction you're at and high or low and deal with the confusion of having the formation attacked by hundreds of fighters.

Real b-17's had to fly for hours over enemy territory and endure multiple sorties of attacks by the same fighters. The Germans figured out early on that it took just a few rounds to down a b17 if you hit it in the front quarter, and they had plenty of time to fly ahead of them and then dive on them. They show them doing that in the American video

Ah yes Betty Grable. Mind if I call you Betty?

I'd love to hear more. What was your role?

Of course I should have guessed Branko... U were a rear-gunner in the B-17 in u'r last life! :-)

Please tell us about the "Sentimental Journey"! I'd love to hear u'r story and see a few pics of the bird if possible.

BRANKO!!! Thanks for helping keep Her in the air. You have stories that make us all wide eyed welps. See you in the air soon, send the results to Shadow.

congrats Site on getting you're b17 :)

im the same Gilly there are a few i fear flying against! no matter what you do you can never get her ass the way you want it to go, ooooops left wing bye lol, as you've heard me say before .............. "ive been McQ'ed :rolleyes:" hahaha


stuka's i find notoriously difficult to shot down ........... Hmm might have something to do with me being pants at dog fighting :rolleyes::rolleyes: lollol

i don't know which is more difficult.... shooting down Gilly or Branko... i do know both will make you earn that kill!!!!!

I so want the B-17!!! it is un funny how you get that thing.....

...isn't that the point, noob or ace, is to get on someones 6 and hose them down with lead?:lol::lol:

B 17 story
 

Didn't see the post or I would have looked at it. always like looking or reading about the old birds. I have seen several in my time...even was there when the 909 crashed at the Beaver Co airshow...wished i had it on video.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-O-Nine

http://www.airheritage.org/ <<< pic of crash no one hurt cept the plane and they fixed her up better then what she was when she came here.

Hey Branko, I for one enjoyed reading about your time flying on Sentimental Journey. Going to airshows, sitting in the front lower seat, and how the B-17 crews ignored each other (sad). I would have commented earlier, as I'm sure the others would have too if we knew you wanted us to reply. Anyway, see you in the sky... watermanr7

Yeah, I'm sorry i missed it completely there Branko. But your post made me google "Sentimental Journey", and it was a feast to find out about that bird. So thank you for u'r post.