Xbox patch info!
 

Guys, I sent a request to 505 Games about the current situation with the patch for Xbox version. I'll post the answer, as soon as get one. Before that please stop posting different rumours about it, let's get the official answer!

Hope you get a reply, unfortunately no one to date has. Keep my fingers crossed and hope you (1C) have better luck.

Thanks, hopefully you get a response.

Hope this thread fills up soon :D

even if it doesnt, thanks for trying anyway. Canr ask for anymore than that.

Proof that we havent been abandoned.

hopefully you will get a reply,but i seriously doubt it

Nice.

I am sure we will get the update eventually but 505 does not need to be so shady about it. I bet we hear something soon because there is plenty of attention being brought to this through many different websites.

Of course I could be wrong and 505 could just say "F U!"

I am using the 'Ace Edge' sticks and I'm still loving this game, however the update would be nice.

if they dont reply to you IC then we're screwed for sure.....

Best of Luck!
 

Fingers crossed!:grin:

Can you also ask them why they deemed it necessary to silence Anton?

:)Good Luck Nike!:-P

Um, Nike-It, sorry bud, but the truth is that 505 Games doesn't even exist, it's a shadow organization run by ex-KGB and Soviet political officers in a brash attempt to wage war on America in the only way left; PISSING OFF MICROSOFT AND IT'S USERS!!!!!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!

thats another thing that 505 have done to p us off

I'm sure that is a answer we will never find out.

Um, actually it's quite simple, Anton is in a contract, as with the other developers, and I'm pretty sure he could face legal action if he slanders, speaks on behalf for which he has no authority (remember updates/dlc is in the hands of the publishers) or defiles the company as he did in previous posts, (remember; "let's wait and blame publisher together"). Basically, 505 Games most likely threatened him.

I agree, 505 have issued a statement that implies that the development of a patch for the Xbox is currently being looked into. Unfortunately for 505, this is contradicted by Anton in his previous comms - a title update for both platfoms was made available for submissiom some time ago. A case of bolting the stable door after the horse has run?

I agree with you. I was just saying that 1C or Gaijin is not going to tell us exactly why.

He was silenced because he was promising things his bosses could'nt, and would'nt deliver. Pretty simple.

thats really sad. the communication between the devs and the community was really good.
its a shame...

Yes, I couldn't wait to log on here everyday just to see if Anton posted any more news before the game came out. Guess those days are long gone.

So i guess no replies then?

Lol
 

Yes thats it.I see the light.

*cough* communists! *cough* ahem... excuse me.

I think that you'll find that Microsoft reserves all rights to pissing off its users.

I've endured every version of Windows since 1.03...... by comparison the BOP problems are nothing really.

Windows = Microsoft.

Mac OS = Adobe.

Ever hear a Mac owner moaning about Mac OS or Adobe??

Me Neither....

I love my MAC!! :-P

I love my PC! :-P

Mac FTW! :P

I love lamp

I love oranges

Guys, please stop offtop. Most likely I'll be able to post some official info on Monday.

Thank you Nike, I really do appreciate your efforts on this matter.

Cheers!

Ax

me too!

I'm sure that goes for everyone!!:grin:

Any news you can post yet Nike?

what time is it in russia?

Moscow is 3 :-Phours ahead of the current time in London.

So basically it's 8:00 at night over there.... F***!!!!!!!

WHEN WILL THIS EVER END!!??

Its a pain yes, we really need some news.

yes this uncertainty is really annoying!

thought we were gona here something today?

Me too...damn it!

Now YOU have lost our respect, another one fallen to the den of lies that surrounds the xbox 360's freshmen release, BOP.

May the witch trials begin.

He didn't say that he would definitely post news. It's hard not to get your hopes up, this happens on every forum. Admin never hears from the source at the time your expecting it.

Thats very true and what you say is correct and can't be faulted.


BUT

Common decency says he could of at least posted to say he didnt hear anything. Will give him the benefit of the doubt for now though.

Guys, the release of the patch is still being discussed and the final decision unfortunately is not made yet. I'll keep you informed on the current situation. I really wish it will be confirmed very soon.
I know the news are not very positive, but still the patch is not cancelled.

Well at the very least its news, even if its bad news. Thanks for the effort Nike.

Thanks for your efforts Nike-it but I can't see what there is to discuss by 505Games. Its been 5 MONTHS since the games release. The game has a serious control issue for the xbox with the lack of wheel brake, the issue with the strike scoring system, the unrealistic unlocking conditions for many of the various load outs etc. lets be honest if it was getting released it would be here by now. As each day passes the chance of this patch seeing the light of day gets slimmer and slimmer.

These and many other things were fixed on another platform, 505 Games are a disgrace. This news for me is the final nail in the coffin for IL2. :evil:

Cheers Nike-it, at least ONE of the main contributers to the game (apart from the players) can still give us some information about whats the go with this patch. ANY information is a good thing

thanx for the info.but what the hell are they "discussing"?are they trying to figure out YET more ways to piss us off

Nike-it is there any way you could ask about dlc?

Thanks

I'll ask.

Game not fit for purpose!
 

I totally agree with you matey!
As the PS3 version of this game has been corrected, if the XBOX 360 patch is not released I feel the game I paid good money for is not fit for purpose.
505 have admitted the game was incomplete by releasing the patch.
Discrimination against us XBOX 360 pilots should & will not be tolerated !!
Come the revolution we shall have our revenge!!:grin::grin::grin:

Even a barebones patch would make this game great
 

As a former hardcore flight sim junkie, I know this audience is never going to be truly happy-- but a game with this much promise (the feel of firing as you close with a bogey looks almost like vintage gun cam film) really screams for a patch--even if it is minimal.

After years of sims and RC I can't use the regular controller setup and as I couldn't justify dulicating my PC throt and stick setup I bought an Aviator PS41 stick. It's decent enough stick-- but the game's programmed in deadzone makes the game virtually unplayable for anything past straffing bombers and ground tagets.

You really must patch the stick deadzone--anything else would be great-- but as originally released, the game in pretty much unplayable especially to the casual audience.

Yes, a fix for the AV8R dead-zone would be fantastic. I can actually tolerate most everything about the dead-zone except when I'm trying to trim the plane in Simulator mode. It's MADDENING. It appears there is no need to trim the plane in Realistic mode, but I prefer playing Sim.

Cheated
 

It's really curious: I've left pretty girlfriends for less. I'm an addicted lovefool hoping for changes that will never come. And watching others have all the fun I should have...

Please can someone give me a slap in the face to wake up?

A kick in the gonads should suffice! :evil::evil::evil::evil:

whats dlc???

DLC/patch
 

Downloadable Content

thank you!!!

I did say in an earlier thread that the issue of the Xbox patch may have to be fought with a 'stick' and a 'carott' strategy. I would support the patch in the form of a DLC.

However, if additional pressure is needed then I would suggest that the issue is elevated to a wider argument that affects all gamers and one that should be discussed within the industry.

MS and 505 use the statement 'committed to improving the game play experience for its customers'. Their mission statement so to speak!

Bearing in mind that MS grant the licence is it acceptable that MS take no further interest in the product (once it has satisfied the initial QA) or have any legal contract with the publisher?

505 have also used the same statement in their last reply. Yet, it is quite clear that this is not entirely accurate given their actions. It seems that this could happen at any time in the future and with any publisher. Neither MS or Sony (who grant the licenses) can prevent a publisher from showing preference to one console over another regarding title updates that improve gameplay. Should there be some form of licensing requirement that all publishers must legally abide by to prevent this happening again?

As a consumer group we have to trust the publisher. Unfortunately - trust alone is not enough!

I suggest that we move this argument to the industry through the media that represents it.

BOP is an excellent example of a title that MS claim they cannot interfere with as they are not the publisher. How is the consumer protected by this and is it right? How can MS justify the use of ' committed to improving the gameplay experience for its customers' then simply state that it cannot interfere with a publishers decision to improve 'quality of gameplay' for one console over another?

Use the argument and this experience to one that could affect all gamers and present it to the gaming media for their opinions.

MS cant do anything precisely because its already been through their QC and they qualified it as fit for release. All 3 companies have missed these issues. And unfortunatley ms cant force a patch unless a serious showstopper is found but in those cases theyd probably waive the fee. Even though the patch is done 505 would still have to pay an amount of money (your guess how much is as good as mine) which they obviously dont feel they want to pay.

They dont seem to realise if this title is properly supported consumers will have more confidence to buy their next product instead of feeling taken advantage off and will more dubious about the next one. The kicker is the devs get most of the blame from most people becuase they don't know about the publisher/developer/platform holder relationship.

Which questions their last reply and undermines their 'committment to improving game play experience'!

The fact is that many games rely on subsequent patches being released. Console manufacturers QA are therefore not infallible. Games are often rushed into production. I would argue that where a title has gameplay experience improved for one console and, there are no technical limitations that would prevent a similar one for other consoles, that part of any licence agreement is to ensure that a publisher commits its obligation to all consumers across all platforms. This is the fundamental issue that the industry needs to resolve otherwise it will happen again and again!

Gamers represent a multi-million dollar market with absolutely no rights when it comes to quality assurance.

I completely agree.

I can forgive the release sooner patch later ethos if they actually put the patches out, other wise its just skinflint and lazy.

So what's the chances of any news this week?

Can we do like a video talking about the companies that screw alot of people "meaning all this issue of the game" and post it in youtube and forums to see what happen. I ask of course about legal issues for posting something talking about companies and there reputation??.

I know youtube is free so is there no legal issue wy dont doit. I could do the video if you can send a good scrip about this.

dont know just a thought. pardon writting not my first one.

so anyways, what you guys say?

Crazyowl.

very bad news
 

very bad news from Anton on yuplay forum:
no update for xbox360

wtf!!!???they already said it was made

cut and past
 

I can not get into the yuplay forum right now, could you please cut and past what has been said?

Thank you.

** The post in question from Anton**

Hi guys.
Unfortunately, no good news.
Publisher thinks that it is not commercially reasonable to create, QA, and release title update for X360.
Releasing PS3 update has not significant impact to sells, and it costs much. DLC was also not very popular (not popular at all).
In addition, I was told to communicate with gamers only via publisher's PR department - that's why I am being quiet silent.

Nothing we can do here with X360 version itself - we've already funded PS3 update from our own pockets (and we do not even benefit from potential sells increase).

So, to make it sweeter we've done the only thing we could done - we'll provide huge (50%) discount on PC version Wings of Prey for consoles users. I know that's not the same (some of console audience even do not have PCs or not gaming PCs), but PC-version is the only published by us.
I'll provide way of getting discount soon (in a few hours), here.

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**EDIT** For those of you with a capable PC, DO IT!!!!! You'll be picking up a bargain that's head & shoulders above BoP. (Fact I'm afraid)

Not suprised other than the Xbox patch was never actually done. Ah well, get a PS3, a new PC or just play as is! Hopefully there will be a sequel as Anton replied to my question on Yuplay without saying too much. At least we now know were we stand and about time too!

Unfortunately I don't have a PC of the required spec so the offer has little benefit to me whatever the price.

why aint that posted in here somewhere???also why say the patch was DONE?

that sucks, it really, really does.

Even though the patch may be 'done' it still cost mucho casho to get it through the chain and 505 say its not worth it. Oh well we can only hope a decent publisher does the next one

if there is one..so if pc users are gettin a discount on wings of prey,what do people who dont have one get

Actually that would be 'mucho dinero' or 'mucho efectivo'. ;)

Well at least we can stop waiting for it now. I'm staying with my xbox Evangelus. And I might at some point get around to installing IL-2 1946 on desktop PC.

The patch certainly isn't worth the price of a PS3. And Wings of Prey isn't different enough for me to want to upgrade my current pc. What I will probably do is save up for a new pc, joystick and TrackIr for when Storm of War is released. SoW will be the main event.

+1!!! Storm of War is going to be huge. It really will have been worth the mammoth wait for what screenies & stuff I've seen & read.

Well, all I can say is that I've purchased my last game that has anything with 505 on it, I can promise you that. I don't care if it has waffle eating zombies riding flying unicorns in it.

+1

I have never really paid attention to publishers, etc on games but now I will.

You know you'd be a little bit tempted if that was the next game though. There aren't enough games out there catering to that market...

I went on Xbox live purely for this title, No patch but I have met so many fantastic peeps all over Europe and the USA playing Xbox BOP and that more than makes up for the disappointment. Great bunch of guys and we all enjoy the game. No patch won't stop us playing I'm sure.

I agree, its still a great game, just like ofp, not as great as it could've been.

Think they're missing the point that selling a game thats incomplete/with bugs is not a good look. The patch was a chance to make that right and by not patching they're sullying the Il2 Brand. I don't believe its entirely the publishers fault as the game was released in an incomplete state (possibly due to pressure from the publisher).
And now we know for certain there will be NO german cockpits.

I won't say I'll never buy another Il2 game again because they've got us over a barrel as they're the only ones doing WW2 flight sims for console but I will think twice and certainly won't buy until I know for certain the Axis aircraft have cockpit views.

As for the DLC not selling - it was overpriced and it didn't have German cockpits! And I still bought it anyway!

This half-baked console attempt is not IL-2. It has nothing to do with Oleg Maddox; it never did.

Well perception counts for alot and in this case its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related.
(1) They both share the moniker Il-2.
(2) IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey Famous title comes to consoles (from forum title).

ha why, five oh...?

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Um, How????? Because they both feature the same a/c?



If you believe they're closely related, then you've very little experience of IL-2 on PC I'm guessing as you would know they're worlds apart. Different in approach, mentality, looks, feel, sound, intentions, the list is endless. One is full of realism, immersion & attention to detail & the other is an arcade 'shoot 'em up'. Why do you think they dropped the IL-2 Sturmovik namesake from the PC version?!

The forum title was always a good laugh imo.

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Because they both feature the same a/c?

Why don't you actually pay attention to what zg26 said? There's no point in saying "Um, How?????" when he just said how. Plus you automatically assume he has very little experience with the original IL-2 (and expansions), which really has nothing to do with what he posted. It seems he was pointing out things that the general public will draw conclusions with ("same IL-2 name, oh, it must be a new version or something"). My respect for you has reached a new low.

I'm making a guess here of course, but maybe it is you that has little experience with IL-2 BoP. On Sim mode, although not as realistic as IL-2 for PC, it is still more than an arcade "shoot 'em up". I don't see people in sim mode zooming around and shooting things down with a few bursts of fire and not even stalling or anything. Even realistic isn't that bad. And attention to detail... Have you even seen the scenery? It's way better than anything IL-2 1946 had or will have, ever. And there is plenty of immersion in IL-2 for PC, but it's kind of hard to feel like a World War II pilot with the 2d smoke trails the planes leave when damaged. Or the bad explosions. That said of course, graphics aren't everything but they still play an important role.


And yes, I have played the original IL-2. I own it and I play it often. It's a great game. Just because it is much much better than BoP doesn't mean BoP is some kind of Blazing Angels arcade game. Even on arcade mode it's better than that.

What on earth are you on?
My question still remains. How is it that the comparison between the 2 can be made? It's obvious to make comparisons between BoP & Blazing Angels or SWON & compare IL-2 to BoB but comparing a game to a SIM just because it shares the same name for sales reasons is baffling when they're 2 completely different beasts.

You've made your 'respect' toward me quite known previously, on a personal level & through my videos & as you would most likely expect, I really am going to lose very little sleep over it. I will always hold my opinion that BoP is lightyears apart from IL-2 & comparisons cannot be made.

Why dont you stop being a 'P.C.' idiot & wake up. I'm not attacking the X360 BoP forum members at a low point. The way these guys have been treated is very frustating where the patch is concerned. I'm merely commenting, as I've always done; to BoP being (or not being) a close resemblance to IL-2 Sturmovik. My opinionated nature means I will air my view, regardless of what it will do to my 'respect' levels of Mr PantherAttack! If I have something to say, I will say it. I won't bend my views for popularity votes & your respect for me means as much to me as last night's dishwater. That said, I have alot of respect for many 'open minded' & interesting users of this forum. I thank my lucky stars that, ppl worrying about 2D smoke trails (that have since been MODDED like everything else in IL-2) don't include.

2D smoke btw? From a fan of a game where wheels don't turn & pilots eject THROUGH canopies or fly planes with wrong or even NO cockpits.

To which you (Houndstone Hawk) replied:

Quote: "its hard not to perceive that the Il-2 series and Il-2 BOP are indeed very closely related."
Um, How?????


My point is he just gave you two valid points and yet you still asked him "how?". It's like saying:

"There are two reasons why this game sucks- it's not realistic and the graphics are bad."

and then someone says to him:

"How does it suck?"


And this is my personal preference of course, but one question mark is enough.
Notice how I never made any insults, too, in this post and my last. ;)
And what's this about your videos? As I recall I didn't even comment on them, if I did and I don't remember I don't think my post contains some sort of attack. And I really appreciate it, but the Mr. before my name is not necessary.

As do I.

Edit: I do see how my previous post could be seen as offensive to Houndstone Hawk. I apologize, I was merely trying to get a point across which I think I have done so correctly in this post.

LOL, your PC (political correctness) skills are truly amazing. You're beginning to sound like a canvassing politician on the ropes, seeking pc popularity. :rolleyes:

I don't see any point in arguing with you anymore, you can't seem to comprehend what I'm trying to say. All you do is make pointless insults when someone disagrees with what you think, even if their point is completely valid.

In the end, none of this really matters. You think what you want and I will think what I want. (obvious exaggeration) But nearly half your posts are about how IL-2 (the original PC version) is so much better than BoP and that BoP is just some sort of arcade game trash. You say you aren't attacking the members here, but I think you are every time you put down BoP, a game which -although obviously not as good as IL-2 1946 realistically- most of us have come to love, patch or not. But that's for everyone else to decide.

Ofcourse I can comprehend what you were referring to but my original question to that still stands:

**My quote**
My question still remains. How is it that the comparison between the 2 can be made? It's obvious to make comparisons between BoP & Blazing Angels or SWON & compare IL-2 to BoB or BoB2 but comparing a game to a SIM just because it shares the same name for sales reasons is baffling when they're 2 completely different beasts.

I don't believe my words are pointless or insulting other than labelling you as a pc idiot which I've always believed you to be.
Read back your last responce & it's more P.C. spill as is the majority of your posts aimed my way. Careful wordage speaking for the masses to win over that coveted popularity spot. It's also convenient forgetting your words re: myself sharing my vids, although like you say; it is totally pointless but to say I'm attacking good folk on this forum because I think their game is a joke is kinda belittling the peeps in question as I'm pretty sure these guys have minds of their own & aren't going to take personal damage over a shiny piece of plastic you 'chuck' into your 360 tray.
If I'm attacking anything (which I didn't directly believe I was, it was a question of comparison correction), then it's that round piece of plastic & not the poor ppl that have been let down by it.

Well, this 'argument' didn't start because of that question, but I agree with your point.

I already said however, you can think what you want. Go ahead and think I'm trying to win the hearts of forum members or whatever but to be honest I don't care. I only try to not be brought down to the level of stupid insults that you were at, although I admit your last post was an improvement. I'm not even speaking to the masses- I'm speaking to you. Don't you get that yet? What would the benefit be, anyways?


And as I said, all that other stuff is for everyone else to decide. If they are offended by your posts (as I was, but no longer am because I don't care anymore) then they agree with me. If they are not, then they don't agree with me. That's that.

Now I need to return to my life outside of the computer. ;)

Edit: Someone else please post and get this thread back on topic.

You don't speak to the masses? Speaking directly to me but in the third person then. Very clever.
Stupid insult. Do you even
know what that is I wonder.

Yep. Enough on the subject. Topic between us closed!

One last comment- good eye, and your point does make sense but that's not my intention. As this is a public forum it's necessary, I think. Topic closed (unless of course you have a closing comment as I always do). Now if you'll all excuse me I'm going to play some IL-2 1946.

well I'd love to also partake a bit of 1946 but gig duty calls, being the singer in punk covers band The Krays.

You answer your own question. They can be compared because they both start IL2-...

90% of people will know nothing about oleg maddox or even care, will see the il2 and whatever impression they have of the name. Regardless of who made what and how that opens them up for comparison. also that theyof the same genre and general style

Why is it people think you can only compare like for like. Anything can be compared to anything else.

Bloody hell mate you're so off the mark it's not even worthy of a responce.

so what is the mark? You ask how you can compare IL2-'46 or other pc versions to IL2-Birds of Prey? Is that correct? If so my question is how can you not?