How to get the XBOX patch
 

:( oh god, it begins.
Why hurt or cripple a company you want something from?

Brute force and ignorance cannot surely be the way forwards.

I have posted a thread on MS Xbox forum pointing out that 505 serve the interest of Sony conslole owners and and have refused to respond with any information concerning the xbox. I cannot imagine that MS will be too pleased with any publisher fixing common gameplay issues for one console only. I know that MS do read their hosted forums and often give replies to posts. Might not make any difference but at least its up on their forum for the Xbox cummunity in general to see just how we have been treated by 505.

Although the initial idea is obviously rough-handed, it has merit if done in a business-like manner, i.e customer feedback. If done in a professional, but direct manner, 505 will pay attention if they think this issue will hurt future sales. Everyone that sells a product ought to have some accountability. Let's keep it in context folks, we're not going to put them out of business. At the same time, we do ourselves a disservice if we come across as hecklers. Getting the word out about PS3 patch vs. 360 non-patch is a story the general gaming public should know about.

Please
 

Possitive discussion based on the idea of destroying a company's reputation?

Positive Solutions
 

Nicely put...

Great work!

As far as I know, yes. That's the whole point. Why does the PS3 get the patch but not the Xbox360? Since people have been asking nicely and no responses have been given by 505 why should they're reputation as publishers be good?

Any company that prospers by relying on the public purchasing its goods should show some courtesy to its customers. The fact that 505 ignore all forms of correspondance is the issue here. We have relied in the DEVs not 505 for all information. The Devs, our source of information, are now gagged and 505 have effectively closed all lines of communication. Any company that treats its customers with such disregard inevitably becomes a victim of its own failings and poor reputation.

can you put the link to the MS forum plse,everyone should sign it

Yeah, good idea. :) Link please.

I will probably get a bit of flack for some of the content (fair enough) as it is rather harsh and not well scripted but too late ....cannot edit it but here is the link.......someone is asking for details of the patch.....can someone answer that.

http://forums.xbox.com/30826597/showpost.aspx

I like where this is heading. I know it won't put them out of bussiness but at least we can put them in the spot light. Another route we may wish to pursue is posting on Consumer Complaint websites/blogs. Anything we can do to get the spot light on them. There are a bunch of them out there. I'd even hit up rip-off-report.com. I think the more negative press we can get going the better.

The trick is going to be keeping it professional. We do not want to sound like nagging 12 year olds or to come of as brutes. We need clean language and a defined purpose. (we want everyone that is posting to use the same message points)

Of course I'm just tossing this out there but I think the best way to proceed would be to draft a clear message, defining what we want and why the current state of the game is not acceptable. Making reference to price points and that we have paid for a full game and only received half. Point out the patch debacle and how PS3 got it. Finally close out with a statement defining what resolution we want.

Just my thoughts....

it appear from that forum that this is common practice

The company's reputation has already been damaged/destroyed - by them. Some are simply advocating bringing this to the attention of a much wider audience.

I agree that the biggest disappointment, aside from not having the patch itself, is the disregard this company has shown for the xbox community. Rather quickly, we were in the dark on what was happening with any possible xbox patch. If they had a little respect for us, they'd at least have the gonads to flat out say, "Sorry guys, no patch coming. It's not a good move for us." Some people would be pissed to hear that anyway and vow never to try this company again. But at least they would have given a shit enough to tell us something. Not saying a word on the patch and closing off all the communication tells that they only see us as dollar signs. We're a source of income for them and nothing else. Customer service? What's that?

So, I am completely ok giving them the big F--k You! They've done as much to us.

This would be a good thing for GameInformer to include in the "Good, Bad, The Ugly".

Especially when they could pull up multiple quotes promising things that never happened, and a total cease in communication. Very ugly.

Heres a random idea that could work... (for uk players)

Send that thing on the xbox dashboard a message ("sent you a message" with them two clowns) they follow up any questions that they make public.

Send them a message saying we have a loyal fan base that growns steadily weekly, because the ps3 got the patch etc etc and that we havnt got it, yet never heard from 505 and why we didnt get it because they blank us.

Or...

just write them some random crap and see if they do anything.


Just an idea.

I have contacted 505 games in the USA and UK, no response.

I suggest us Xbox 360 owners invade the yuplay forums for Wings of Prey and demand we get our patch for it.

Let other people know that the developers will not support the game, will not reply to posts here, so what chance has the pc version got with the promises of title updates, fixes and new DLC.

The developers aren't the problem, it's the publisher 505 Games.

Yep, this is the truth - invading the PC version is no good (unless it's also published by 505).

You could also throw in the ridiculous pricing of the DLC in it's first week of release, and then the fact that it doubled in price. This was 505's decision also.

And someone said that this is quite common, so you could also aquire stories of other games they've done it with too. Then, when you have a comprehensive objection laid out, send it to major gaming websites like IGN, Gamespot, Eurogamer etc, and email it to major XBox magazine editors.

All you need is for one to run and the rest (or the majority anyway) will regurgitate it. It needs to be written so it needs little work to turn around and publish though.

Good luck!

Think you have a valid argument there InfiniteStates. What is the relationship between 1C Company (who host this forum) and 505? Could 505 pull the plug on this forum (as well as 'gag' the devs) if they wish to do so?

I have read their corporate info and it appears that 1c are an independent publishing company but I could be wrong.

I may be wrong but it seems obvious to me that you are trying to be smart, and act like you care. You must have a PS3.

Um... the relationship between 1C and 505 is obvious. Just look at, and read the front of the games' case. And this is the 1C company forum, so I doubt 505 could do anything about it.

1C is not blameless here, it was Anton who said certin things were going to happen that never did.

As long as you don't slander the "IL2" brand, which is where 1C comes into it, it's all good. As far as I know, 505 licensed the distribution rights from 1C.

You're right - I couldn't care less about the XBox. But I care as a games consumer. And this behaviour is becoming more and more prevalent in this industry.

Genius. Yeah - listen to this guy. Not.

But I don't want to drag this thread down with self-defence. It's got some great ideas in it and is heading is a constructive direction.

Good luck!

We don't know that the devs aren't supporting the game there is a chance they have all of the dlc's done but it is up to the publisher, don't blame it on the devs without knowing what is true and what is not.

Well if I would have said it.
 

Well if I would have said it.There would be post saying I needed mental help.I will say this sound like something that needs to be done.Of course the op really does not need me to say anything that"gunny said it and hes just a nutty redneck "thing .Ok, now grade my grammar its expected.

Can you hear me playing a sad song on my violin just for you?

Change the record mate, its getting boring. Its a team effort from all of us, PS3 and 360 players to want this sorted. Get involved, become part of it.

No, if you would have said it.....itwouldhavelooked liekTHIS andyouWould havebeen rantn&ravnwith incoherentstuffand antagonizingpeopleuntil theyflameyouSoyoucould complainyetagainthat EVeryOne picksonyou.

Man, if you could just settle down and learn how to communicate in a little more civil way you wouldn't get blasted on so much. It really doesn't have anything to do with your grammar, or typing skills. English could have not been your native language for all we knew. It's how you come across in your arguments. Instead of "this iscrap I'mselling thisgaem&gaijin r liars!1! if youdon't agree u r a asskissr" you could have said, "I don't know about you guys, but I'm feeling a little abandoned by this whole deal. What say you?" See the difference?

Anyhow, I know you're just going to get mad at me so whatever. Go ahead and leave for the 4th time, besides every thread you post in gets locked anyway. If you keep posting with your current attitude there won't been any open discussions left on this forum.

IiI GUNNY IiI
Curent grade: C+/B-
See corrections bellow.
Well if I would have said it there would be post saying I needed mental help. I will say, that this sounds like something that needs to be done. Of course the O.P. really does not need me to say anything other than “Gunny said it and he’s just a nutty redneck" thing. Ok, now grade my grammar it’s expected.

With the above changes grades A/A* may be possible in future. Keep up the good work.

let’s keep the momentum going...
 

As you wish.

No problem Subaru

If we are all in agreement for a post/letter drive I say we get this moving. I think we should come up with a list of bullet points for our letter/posts. Once we have that we will need an English Major or someone with strong grammar skills to put this together. (sorry I'm an IT guy) From there we can assign a couple of people to do the postings. (if we are mailing, I say the more the merrier, I can host a word doc online for everyone to access to print and send) We should also come up with a list of sites we want to send this to... both posts and emails.

Sorry if I'm jumping the gun or stepping on anyones toes but I want to get this out of planning asap! The quicker the better. I'll also create a list of potential online places to post our letter. If you guys don't like this idea just let me know and i'll drop it. Thanks for any input.


(Here is a working list of sites I think will help)

Ign.com
Gameinformer.com
Ripoffreport.com
http://www.complaints.com/
http://www.planetfeedback.com/
http://consumerist.com/
http://complaintblogs.com/
http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/complaints/
http://www.consumeraffairs.com
gamespot.com
gamespy.com
g4tv.com

I'm also trying to tract down contact info for some of 505's upper managment. For our UK friends....

Suite 366 Silbury Court Silbury Boulevard
Milton Keynes
MK9 2AF
United Kingdom

Contact: Mark Allen
+44 (0)1908 607772

(more to come)

For our US friends... their linkedin profiles

http://www.linkedin.com/companies/505-games

Great job, jkerr419! :cool:

I agree, we need to get this out of planning as soon as possible (but still not rushing it). I'm not the great at organizing big things like this, but tell me what I need to do for this and I'll help out.

OK CHECK THIS OUT ___than “Gunny said it and he’s just a nutty redneck" thing.
The way you Typed the line without the quotes it would read"to say anything other THAN THING".Thats not what I said. I said" say anything that "Gunny said it and he is just a nutty redneck"thing".Reading without the quotes "say anything THAT THING.My point is Maybe you should really read what someone is posting and try to read it thinking of what there trying to say before grading grammar and looking to flame .Other than that looks like I made some other grammatical errors .Damn Im so sorry I hope you could make it out .I am so dismayed by this.Right now Im leaving my private studio here at Westwood Radio Network Jumping in my vet and I`ll go see if I can find someone to tutor me in proper grammatical
web postings for video game forums.See I normally have a girl that does thing like this for me I talk for a living. FIGHT POMPOUS WITH POMPOUS I ALWAYS SAY.

Sorry
 

Sorry Ill stop.I had to much time on my hands today .Ill stay on point.

Thank you.

Gunny, not one of us knows the position regarding the release of the Xbox patch, some are sceptical whilst others are patient and optomistic. The issue is now the lack of a response from the publishers. Your thread has been locked and this one deals with possible solutions to address the failure of 505 to give any further information regarding the patch. I understand that you will want to reply to some of the comments made but I hope all of us will try and keep this thread civilised and focussed on its objectives.

Hopefully mate. As long as nobody strays or starts flaming one another it should be fine.

My "source" of contacting 505 didnt pay off :( unless i needs a little more time. I'll give it until monday. Time for plan B ;)

And what are you doing on this late Evangeluse? its nearly 4am!!

oops! time for bed! :grin:

Could Xbox members add their comments/views to this thread:-



http://forums.xbox.com/30851195/showpost.aspx#30851195


Please note that the forum rules must be obeyed and any comments must be your views wether you agree or not to the issue we are trying to resolve. Petitions are forbidden and the thread will ultimately be locked.

I have included the responses from Anton and his team and it is clear why 505 have effectively blocked them from communicating with us. I suggest you read it. If you have emailed 505 and not had a response say so. If you consider the thread is unfair to 505 then please say so.

I have also informed 505 that this thread is up on MS forum and provided them with a link.

I've very active on the MS forums, just not the IL2 one, as i prefer it here. Will have a look now mate.

I wonder if we have any legal options, considering we paid the same amount of money for the game and yet have received an inferior product. If we don't have any legal options, I wonder if Microsoft would.

Imagine if this same situation were to be happening with a blockbuster like MW2... there is no way Microsoft would allow it's game to be shortchanged

Maybe we should take this fight to Microsoft.

I intend to do that. If the MS Xbox thread I created gets the support I will contact them, refer them to that thread on their forum and ask for their response/views.
It may come to nothing but the more ammo we collectively dish out the better the chances of an MS intervention or possibly some background help.

hopefully someone will take notice..maybe trying to get in contact with some of the reviewers who liked the game could help the cause

Great positive post jkerr!

This is the kind of brain power that can move mountains (or get a patch released)

Thank you for your input!



Great work Evangelus!

You seem to have some major communication skills, possibly you could create the final patch "Draft" that jkerr mentioned previously (above)?

Then all of us can send copies to the selected sites to show are support.

SEE- when posting on other sites, you need to take the time and realize that your message is being heard by people that know nothing about the game, you didn't really mention the time frame upon which the ps3 got the patch and xbox still doesn't have it (about a month and a half).

Good luck on getting results published in magazines/articles/etc...

Ps.-- Lol, Gunny, nobody really tells you this, but most people that post on forums re-read their post atleast once to make sure it makes sense, it's not about grammar, it's about showing you care enough to make your message heard. Not proofreading means you don't really care enough, which is acceptable when texting/emailing girls and such, but not really appropriate in a forum sense, stop trying to appear as someone that's too busy, that's a lame excuse that no one believes anymore these days.

Mark Allen!
 

Judging from this artical it would appear that Mark Allen is hands on & not just a desk jockey! Maybe he is the man to contact!:confused:

As the launch of 505 Games’, in collaboration 1C Company, IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey draws even closer – the WWII aerial combat titles website has received a vast update today, with a further 11 planes (that also feature full 3D rotation), new videos that feature some much impressive game footage, and finally two wallpapers to get you in the mood!

A community update on the site also features behind-the-scenes footage of the development team at an aircraft sound recording session, which also includes an interview with Andrew Wensley, head of European development. In this, he discusses how the dynamic sound system works alongside the historically accurate graphics to enhance the overall gaming experience.

IL2Sturm

If that wasn’t enough to tempt you, a live code demo from Mark Allen, 505 Games’ European Communications Manager is soon to be uploaded that features a recorded session where you will be able to view action from some hitherto unseen campaigns and missions

I had similar comments on the Xbox thread so point taken Deascendant and a worthwhile observation.

I don't mind working on a draft for the forum and will try to be consice and relevant to the problems we are experiencing with 505. One thing I have noticed embedded in Antons replies are the Devs feelings of disappointment with this sorry affair. It seems, reading through Antons replies, that the main issue from the publishers perspective were the technical problems on the PS3 rather than 'game improvements'. The Devs appear to have gone beyond resolving those technical issues by adding gameplay improvements across both platforms. In one post he states that the publishers were aware that the updates also improved gameplay but also seems to suggest that they were satisfied with the gameplay (on the release version) but submitted the PS3 update as delivered. That may explain why, in a later reply, they (the devs) also fail to get replies from 505 following the release of the PS3 update. The Xbox argument is really confined to two issues:-

1. Failure of 505 to communicate its commitment to the Xbox platform.

2. The release of the PS3 update has resulted in a superior product with improved gameplay for PS3 despite access to, and ownership of, the software update to redress this for owners of the Xbox. (there are no technical or hardware limitations)

Popular Profiles at 505 Games
 

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Joe Morici, Vice President of Sales
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Marcello Monti, Project manager
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Alex Price, Senior Global Brand Manager
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David Welch, Associate Producer
:evil:

RE
 

Do you own stock in this company? You seem really concerned about their well being. Being a business owner myself I should expect a backlash if I sold you a broken product.

I say take it to the streets. Game On!

FYI: I use to own a web development company. I still have server space and can have a website up within 10 minutes. If you want me to make an anti 505 page it can be done.

Maybe instead of a anti 505 maybe you could have a petition page. And pass that link to tons of forums and then pass the link on to 505.

Don't really know how many sigs you'll get but I'm sure every regular on here ps3 or xbox would be willing to sign it.

505 Games
5008 Chesebro Road, Agoura Hills, CA
91301

( 818 ) 540-3000

Perhaps some phone calls are in order on Tuesday?

818

That would be sensible move, at least they will have to pick up the phone. If it comes to nothing then that can be 'ticked off' on the list of things we have tried in order to get this resolved.

maybe it helps to kill the time... ^^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2mqqCMu-LM

I will be calling every day till i get the patch. They will know the wrath of dwolf104, as so many others have LOL. Thanks for all your work Evangelouse (SEE).

not sure how much use this will be but it could be an idea to try it,just read this article

http://www.oxm.co.uk/article.php?id=16629

Keep the pressure on!
 

Sounds good.

Could give it a try, whats the worst that could happen. Good find :D

Kudos to all the great pressure tactics people are coming up with. I can't believe the hoops we have to jump through just to get treated the same as PS3 users. Pathetic really on the part of 505 Publishing. Another thing we can do is start persistently editing their Wikipedia article to mention this problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/505_Games. Conveniently enough there is already a 'Criticism' section. If no one else does I'll add this issue in a few days.

good idea,that critiscm bit does look a bit too small

Subaru, although he has played the game for longer and so has access to the better versions of the same aircraft as me, and consequently blows cannon holes in my wingtips quite often, is right.

PATCH OR DIE!

glad you’re on board to help get the patch…
 

While we're at it we should badger them for a console ArmAII!

No...

we should badger someone else for that lol.

I want nothing else from 505 games, they are a disgrace.

We do need a petition and I have started a thread for that. Early days but I have a response from MS and a petition will add weight to our plea for help. Details on the thread - petition only and no comments. Thanks

Sorry guys been really hectic at work. Just seeing what else needs to be done? I know some have already started contacting forums and game reviewers. Let keep the momentum going!

Bravo jkerr419! I have to say I'm impressed with your effort so far and I wish I had more time to help. I'll see what I can do. If anyone posts anything on another website please provide a link so we can back you up.

is there something we can start puttin on other forums,it would be better and more consistant if we had the same thing to post/send to other sites

I received a response from 505 Games today via email

"Many thanks for your enquiry and feedback on IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey



We are investigating the development of a X360 patch and appreciate the importance of continuously evaluating and improving the game play experience. Although I am unable to confirm if and when this will be available, we will certainly update the community as soon as we know.



Thanks again for your email"

Add me to the list. I've have also received the exact same email from 505.

Website is ready
 

Let me know when your ready for the Anti 505 website. Proof that its ready for content. http://www.505sucks.com/
:evil:

Following the statement from 505 which cleverley addresses two issues we have with them:-

1. Failure to communicate with its customers.

2. Lack of committment to the Xbox platform following the release of the PS3 Title update.

We are investigating the development of a X360 patch and appreciate the importance of continuously evaluating and improving the game play experience. Although I am unable to confirm if and when this will be available, we will certainly update the community as soon as we know.

It's a non commital reply as to whether a patch will be released but the use of the word 'development' suggests that a patch was never submitted or completed for the Xbox. Somehow we need to get the evidence that they have the patch and it was submitted to them some time ago. Reading through Antons previous comms suggets that they did submit it

Can we prove that and how?

We have to maintain the pressure on 505 by shifting the argument to another issue otherwise they will simply continue to respond with the same non-commital reply.

If anyone has access to all of the devs responses, particularly those that state the patches were completed and submitted to 505 and time frames............post them here!

We have to challenge their use of 'Investigating the development' in that statement.

Okay I added this issue to 505 games Wikipedia entry under the Criticism section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/505_Games.

Here is what I wrote (let me know if anyone thinks it needs to be changed somehow): "In early 2010, 505 Games has been criticized by customers for failing to release a game-fixing patch for the Xbox 360 version of IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey, even though the same patch was released for the PS3 version. Comments by the developers of IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey reveal that the patch has reportedly been finished but has been sitting in limbo for months awaiting approval.[1]"

I would be appreciative if people out there who are trying to help with this issue could keep an eye on that Wikipedia page every once in a while to make sure 505 games (or some other anal Wikipedia editor) hasn't removed that bit, and to add it again if they do.

Need to refer and quote the relevant statements (from the devs) to support the argument that 505 are already in receipt of, or have access to, a Xbox Patch that addresses common game improvements. Otherwise it's an assumption (or claim) that can be questioned.

mayby the story about the *quiet anton*...

Interesting Article
 

Found this article on the net about a consumers fight with Ninetendo and 505 games.

http://consumerist.com/2009/06/ignor...publisher.html

SEE, Ive found the tread were Anton tells us that the 360 patch has been made and is ready for 505 games QA

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=11460

Important posts being #6 , #8 and #9 .

Does this not prove that that patch was made at the same time as the PS3 one? I don't think Anton would tell us that if it were not the truth. It also implies that Anton was still communicating with 505 obviously telling them that the patch was ready for their QA but how he says "talking them into" it, sounds like 505 were hesitant to do it?
So "Investigating the development" is a lie going on what anton has said, as they must know it was made.

Thats the post i was referring to (but couldnt find) in another thread pope when i replied to one of your posts.

The patch was done and was sent, though it was supposedly microsoft who sent the patch back/refused it because it had issues still, where as the PS3 patch did not.

So BOTH patches were put on hold until the 360 patch was sorted, but they didnt fix it and ended up only releasing the PS3 patch, letting the 360 version rot. To much time and effort to fix it for them. Its mroe about money, not the customer. Were just the pawns in their little game.

One day they will realise they need us though lol.

Thats exactly what we need and thanks Robotic for searching that post out and finding it. The 505 statement of intent seems to be well and truly contradicted and ultimately discredited by the response of Anton in that thread. We fight on........pawns? ...maybe, but can still get a king in checkmate!

My Response from 505 Games
 

Here is my lame response from 505 Games regarding the patch...

"Many thanks for your enquiry and feedback on IL-2 Sturmovik: Birds of Prey

We are investigating the development of a 360 patch and appreciate the importance of continuously evaluating and improving the gameplay experience. Although I am unable to confirm if and when this will be available we will certainly update the community as soon as we know.

Thanks again for your email"

You now just wasted 10 seconds of your life reading that.

Costs Associated with Patch Release
 

Found this article. Says developers get charged for releasing a patch through Sony but not with Microsoft. Unless I am reading this wrong this makes little sense they would release a patch to Sony first since it would cost them to do so. If this is the case then I suspect other issues are delaying or stopping the 360 patch.

Original article http://www.gamestooge.com/2009/04/30...s3-expansions/


"Bethesda seems to be taking an interesting tack when it comes to software updates for Fallout 3. Ever since the 1.4 patch, including the new 1.5 patch, the releases have been for the PC and Xbox 360 only. Of course those updates, besides bug fixes, are updating Achievements for expansions that are also not available on the Playstation 3. This could all point back to the surcharge on downloads that Sony began implementing on PSN downloads back in October, 2008, around the time Fallout 3 was released.

Since then Sony has charged developers $0.16/GB for content downloaded through PSN. Even content that’s free, like the Fallout patches, would be subject to the charge for the first 60 days that the content is out. Paid content would be subject to the fee as long as there’s a charge associated with it. This could also be why we haven’t seen the major Fallout 3 expansions on the PS3 either. Operation: Anchorage released on January 27, 2009 for 800 Microsoft Points, The Pitt ended up having a broken release in March for the same point value and the 3rd content pack, Broken Steel, will be out in May.

So far none of these expansions are even announced for the PS3 and the reason could be simple mathematics. On the Xbox Marketplace it shows the file sizes for both Operation: Anchorage and The Pitt. Combined they make up 861 MB. Given Sony’s $0.16/GB fee for downloads that means any user who downloaded both of them would cost Bethesda $0.14 (assuming a pro-rated schedule).

So, hey, you say to yourself, fourteen cents isn’t that big of a deal. Until you realize that there are potentially more than a million downloaders. That $0.14 rapidly balloons to $194,600 if all 1.39 million PS3 players download both updates. Even if we’re to be conservative and say that only 500,000 people download both packages, that still represents an extra $70,000 to be carried by Bethesda.

In the face of this there is simply no incentive for developers to release their products for download on the PS3: better to wait and do a “Game of the Year” package or something similar and avoid losing profits and dev costs to what is effectively a “download tax” that is not attached on competing platforms – in the meantime forcing game owners to pay for another full game that includes the extra content."

Wow
 

I wish I could have found all this anger from everyone two months ago .Back then every time I posted something about all of us getting together and bitching to everyone concerned I just got flamed and put down and told what a great game this was .Then I would get a grammar score.

together we stand, divided we fall
 

Interesting reading that XR62MIB. There is a lot we don't know about the financial implications of releasing a title update for sure. Why on earth don't 505, and all involved, communicate their their point of view? I think most of us would be disappointed if it was a financial constraint that prevented any possibilty of a patch but I also think most of us would give more respect to the publishers. We could even offer to pay for a decent upgrade in the form of a DLC . OK, contentious may be and pretty sure some would object but an option non the less!

Thanks for posting that........

XR, you are “The Man”…
 

RE:
 

Your welcome. I've been searching off an on today trying to learn more about the costs to developers for patch updates hopefully to get an understanding of why Xbox is not getting the patch.

Though I really couldn't find anything I did run across another article from Forbes magazine that's called "Why Gears of War Costs $60". It really breaks down the costs and bottom line for game development. The article can be found here: http://www.forbes.com/2006/12/19/ps3...sivegames.html

I am only speculating but I am really starting to feel as though the 360 update is just an extra expense that 505 cannot justify.

RE
 

Well quit flying in a straight line! :-P

It's not that much of an extra expense for 505, it was an expense for the developers. They weren't funded by 505 to make the patch.

The solution to get a patch could be to obtain help from Microsoft.

I updated the wikipedia citation to link directly to the thread where Anton said the patch was finished. I wanted to do this before but didn't have time to track down the thread in question so thanks for finding it STINGER. I decided not to directly quote Anton's statement because it would probably make that wikipedia entry too long, and I also didn't want to put Anton directly on the spot for what he said. ;) People on wikipedia who want to know more can just read the thread I linked to.

errr what happened to the thread started on xbox.com they took it down i think

http://forums.xbox.com/30826597/showpost.aspx

No suprises there and just goes to show that even MS are not the slightest bit interested in supporting us to support their console. Gamers need their own independent website to air grievences with Console manucturers and Publishers. I would be interested to know the reasons for deleting it.

But 505 have to pay MS to get it released. That previous article isnt relly relevant as its main focus is on EXTRA costs levied by sony (but does detail that publisheres have to pay regardless of platform. So what confuses me is why 505 would choose to release it their and not on 360 and why platform holders wont accept patches from the devs.