Xbox360 "Rising Sun Tournament" (Sim)
 

Welcome to the first XBox 360 IL-2 BoP Competition. Signing up is easy, just download the attached form and then email to xbox360diy@gmail.com. It will be a hair raising roller coaster ride, with twists, turns, lows and highs. But at the end, there can only be one winner.

**Plane List**
LA5FN
Hurricane All Series
Spitfire All Series
LA-7
P-47D
P-51 (b & d)
BF-109 All Series
Yak All Series
TA 151 H-1
FW-190 All Series

NO BOMBERS ALLOWED


Watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GWAzFtGiA0
Or Read
General:

{ENGLISH}

THE WINNER IS THE PLAYER WITH LEAST DEATHS.

Matches will be played on SIMULATOR difficulty.

MATCHES WILL BE STRAIGHT UP DOGFIGHTS THAT WILL LAST FOR 20 MINUTES.

BOTH players from each match MUST report back the score as a PM to me on this forum.

LAG is unacceptable. If this is noticeable on a players aircraft, they will automatically forfeit, and the competitor will win 3-0.

If LAG is consistent (game after game) the player will be disqualified.

You must leave your gamer-tag on this forum, it is upto YOU and your competitor to organize a time to play.

You don't have to have a mic to play, however text communication is vital.

If your opponent crashes then you automatically gain a point.

Ramming or kamikizing into your opponent is acceptable.

You must check back on this thread regularly for news and schedules.

I will decide on the area, wether and time of the match.

Unlimited Fuel and Ammo.

Playing your match within the time slot is essential, so please do.

I know this rule list isn't perfect, so I'd appreciate it if some of the more respected players could give me some suggestions.

RULES (GERMAN)

DIE Gewinner ist der Spieler mit der geringsten Todesfälle

Spiele werden auf SIMULATOR Schwierigkeitsgrad gespielt werden.

MATCHES WILL BE STRAIGHT UP Luftkämpfe die für die letzten 20 MINUTEN WIRD.

Beide Spieler aus jedem Spiel erstatten die Partitur, als eine PM an mich auf dieses Forum.

LAG ist nicht hinnehmbar. Wenn das Flugzeug auf einem Spieler bemerkbar, werden sie automatisch verfällt, und die Wettbewerber wird 3-0 gewinnen.

Wenn LAG im Einklang steht (Spiel für Spiel) der Spieler, werden disqualifiziert.

Sie müssen Ihre Spieler verlassen Tag auf diesem Forum ist es bis Sie und Ihre Wettbewerber zu einer Zeit zum Spielen zu organisieren.

Sie haben nicht zu einem Mikrofon zu spielen haben, Text-Kommunikation ist jedoch von entscheidender Bedeutung.

Wenn dein Gegner stürzt dann automatisch einen Punkt.

Rammen oder kamikizing in Ihre Gegner akzeptabel ist.

Sie müssen wieder auf diesen Thread zu überprüfen regelmäßig auf Neuigkeiten und Termine.

Ich werde entscheiden, auf dem Gelände, Wetter und die Zeit des Spiels.

Limited Kraftstoff und Munition.

Wiedergabe Ihrer Übereinstimmung innerhalb des Zeitschlitzes ist von wesentlicher Bedeutung, also bitte nicht.

Ich weiß, diese Regel Liste ist nicht perfekt, so dass ich es begrüßen würde, wenn einige der renommiertesten Player konnte mir einige Anregungen.

RULES (FRENCH)

LE gagnant est le joueur avec le moins de DÉCÈS

Les matches auront lieu au niveau de difficulté SIMULATEUR.

Les matches se STRAIGHT UP dogfights qui durera pendant 20 MINUTES.

Les deux joueurs de chaque match doit faire rapport le score à titre de PM à moi sur ce forum.

GAL est inacceptable. Si cela est visible sur les joueurs un avion, ils seront automatiquement confisqués, et le concurrent va gagner 3-0.

Si GAL est cohérente (match après match), le joueur sera disqualifié.

Vous devez laisser votre gamer-tag sur ce forum, il est jusqu'à VOUS et de votre concurrent d'organiser un temps de jouer.

Vous n'avez pas d'avoir un micro pour jouer, mais le texte de la communication est vitale.

Si votre adversaire se bloque puis vous gagnez automatiquement un point.

Pour le refoulement ou kamikizing dans votre adversaire est acceptable.

Tu dois revenir vérifier régulièrement ce fil de nouvelles et d'horaires.

Je vais décider de la zone, la météo et l'heure du match.

Fuel Limited et Ammo.

Lecture de votre match au sein de l'intervalle de temps est essentiel, alors s'il vous plaît.

Je sais que cette liste de règles n'est pas parfait, donc je serais reconnaissant si certains des acteurs les plus respectés pourrait me donner quelques suggestions.


Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUv4lLCj6CA

GAMES HAVE STARTED PLEASE CHECK THE TABLE BELOW TO SEE YOUR COMPETITOR!

GOOD LUCK!

THE TOURNAMENT TABLE: (SO FAR!)

I wouldnt mind playing but i'm gunna have no live access during the qualifying period

Sounds great, kudos for organising it - I look forward to seeing the final video (take a B17 or something...) :)

I would put off your qualifiers until new year though - people will be busy over Xmas etc, so may not be the best timing. And I really like your re-arming idea, but it's going to be hard to enforce/police IMO.

But sound effort - hope it brings as many good times as Edal's has to the PS3...

SOD THE TOURNAMENT!! you should try replying to messages first, regardless of how you reply..just a reply is nice especially if someone goes out of their way to be nice and ask some adivce or wants to know something. A little bit rude i thought to be honest.


Count me out.

thanks, yeah kinda dumb of me to put the dates around xmas :S. Changed now though :), so Infinite, you gunna sign up.

excuse me FOZ? I never got your message... i am deeply sorry for the misunderstanding... but there is no need for that, and i would appreciate your presence in the tournament.

What was the message?

I read though the rules a couple of times but can't find what difficulty the matches will be on? I might join you if its Sim, though I'm not a big fan of 1v1 fights.

Count me in if its in sim mode. GT: D MASTA C I replied via email as instructed.

thanks dude! and yep it will be on sim, read through the rules first though ;)

hey guys i would like to join in on match will send email to link.....:cool:

sounds good but i have a ps3
anyway why is it called the rising sun tournement? because that implies that only japanese aircraft are alowed which there are none in game (yet)

No can do I'm afraid my friend - I've only got a PS3. But it's always great to see people doing something for the community. WP :)

Maybe he's hopeful of the patch arriving just in time, and so the dawn of a new era for the game on XBox? lol

And lol @ FOZ...overreacting much? :-P

New Trailer on first post!

I've not played this game in a while so was going to give it a miss :( due to no patch etc, the usual.

BUT -

Seeing that vid clip with the mighty, beautiful hurricane at the start made my mouth water, it looked sweet.

Only prob is the times and dates listed. Cant really do anything over christmas. Sorry.





Still waiting for that clip you were meant to do of formation flying etc. Guessing it never happened then!!

Na sorry mate, i didn't get enough ppl to join in with the form flying. Anyway, the dates have changed since you last posted (now 6th jan onwards) so u sure you can't sign up?

Pity about the vid mate, its what this place could of done with to wet a few appetites and get people to appreciate a bit more since theirs no clips of that kind of thing at all yet, would of opened up a new avenue for everyone :D i really wanted to be part of it to ahahaha.


If its the 6th onwards then possibly, all depends on work you see :( not flown in a while either so will be rusty, might have to fly with pope to get me back in shape :D or chank if he's free.

I never saw you asking for people to join you for formation flying. Us regular sim players on BoP would have without a doubt (myself, SEE, Brickster1, Biistar, Jack Morris, Shnix, serpao, bucketmanroc, karaya to name a few) might have been able to perswade tudorp15 to come back too.

I will fly in your qualifyers if you need someone to make up the numbers but as I said before i'm not really a turn&burner so 1v1 doesn't work for me. I won't download and fill in the form and email you, too much work. Can't it just be done here?

Sure it can, just leave your GT and email address, thanks mate ;)

I've sent you a PM :-)

I've updated the table, now everyone that applied in the last couple of days is on there, however if you did, and your name isn't on there just say :). I've also paired everyone with relatively near time zones (ones where you won't have to play at 12 at night!) So scheduling a time should be easier. Remember, games start on January 6th! You can still sign up.

Times
 

Hey mate, just wounder'n what is the go wth flight times and dates. I work away but am home weekends. I am on the list and the 9th would be the time I could fly on West Aussie time. Who sets up the meet???

A few questions and things to add to the rules.

1. Are rockets alowed?
2. The winner is the person with the least crashes?
3. What happens if both people can't agree which difficulty to run on. (I'm not doing realistic)
4. Whats the deal with the 3 points for realistic win or 4 points for Sim? Its a knockout not a league table. What do we do with the points?

What time?
 

This guy will always be ready to do battle!
HE NEVER SLEEPS!!:grin:

Can I ask why the LA5FN isn't on the plane list but note that all the Spittys are included?

EvangelusE (Gamertag)

I will be posting the final rule list on January 3rd. Qualifiers start on the 6th so please hurry up!

Still waiting for a response concerning reasons for the non-inclusion of the LA5FN. I see it's included in the PS3 tournament and the favoured choice for me and many LA devotees over the LA7 when F/A is limited.

How many people have you got entered?

I really think you need to delay the start of this by a couple of weeks to get some things sorted out. Have a proper random draw to choose qualifing places (at the moment you have chanky and danny booze two of the best playing each other in the qualyfing just because they signed up first). Post the final competition tree well before the starting date to let people have time to get oganaised with their "Enemy" as to what time and date they can meet online.

I also second SEE's query about the La5 exclusion. The spitIX and XVI are just as good as the La5. As SEE would only enter if the La5 was allowed and i'm sure he isn't the only one, I think you need to let it in. You want as many people entering as posible.

Another reason to delay this is, since christmas, we have found quite a few new players online that have just got the game as a present. We can get some of them here too.

My sentiments too Robotic. Add too this that many of the regular Xbox flyers are not members of this forum but would probably join and partake if informed (given there are so many vacant slots).

I might join your tournaments in the future, But that depends on when the 360 patch arrives.

I'm sorry dude but now this Competition is a no-go. Too many unanswered questions (no final rule list) and too short a timeframe. Unless you delay this, probably until the patch arives (if it ever does), I will have to withdraw my entry. I do respect the fact you are young and have the balls to atempt to setup this competition, which was why infact I entered in the first place, I wanted this to work for you.

so today is sixth were every body at???:confused:

What.... no Bf-110 C-4 allowed??

It is a FIGHTER, though more of a bomber killer than a dogfighter.

So far I've managed to make more kills in simulator (forward guns only) than any other fighter type.

The tally so far reads:

9 x alsorted Spitfires
1 x Bf 109 E-4 in a head on (dumb smuck!!)
1 x MC-202 "Folgore"
4 x B-17

I've also chewed up quite a few other fighters only to have the kill stolen from me by some single engined "team mate".

I've no idea if the patch will sort out the incorrect performance. I'm lucky to see 262 MPH on WEP rather than the true to life 362 MPH. During the Battle Of Britain, the Bf-110 C-4 was the fastest fighter involved. It's rate of climb is legendary.

The Bf-110 C-4 isn't everyone's cup of tea, having a whole new set of flying skills to master (power drifting the tail, etc.) as a twin engined fighter, but both different and interesting to fly in simulator or any mode.

I reposted your original post on my squad's site. Hopefully that'll get you a few more players. I assume that missing the qualifying round won't be too big of a deal since you havent had 16 players sign up.

:-P You ARE joking right? the 110?? Who are you flying it against? 'cos any sim player who has any skill at all will absolutly murder even the most skilled pilot if he's in a Bf110. You may get a kill now and then but your death rate will be sky high.

THE 110 during the battle of britain was only faster than the hurricane, not the spitfire. But both the hurricane and spitfire had better acceleration and more agility.

The 110 was a huge target to see and shoot at and the rear gunner was pretty much useless, though on occasion did what it had to.

The 110 was withdrawn from the battles in 1940 over england because of increasing losses.

Now.... taking it online in birds of prey sim mode.....


the greatest pilot online is even asking for trouble if he flies this crate. Its extremely easy to shoot down, easy to catch and weak in defence. Good armament though i'll give it that.

IF i had to use this.... it would be in strike and soley to take down the B17.

Being one of the groups to get into this game within the first couple weeks of release back in Sept. there are some issues with the rules as they are stated. After being in a AC6 2 v 2 tourneywhen this game came out and having in dominated by SU-47 idolmasters on novice, and trying to get those matches played in time, it seems first to set the rules the same for everyone the same, a realistic player advances agaist a sim player, well that type of match is just not going to happen. We all started in arcade, then to realistic and some have moved on strictly Simulator. Now people use Limited fuel and ammo as an advantage when they set up a match time of day, this is a fact. My view on this, is in a tourney its unlimited fuel and ammo and that way crashes are a crash and not to reload your ammo and have to drop a point. Realistic is the mode to choose so combat flaps are the same for everyone based on your individual plane settings, everyone should have a decent set of fighters to choose from by now but flying in low light or low light conditions or evening settings can give certain players an advantage in Sim, based on Monitor settings, thats why it must be realistic and the same map, time and conditions for everyone that enters, All matches. You will not have the time to land, you will be dead before you ever touch ground with the way the game respawns players which is also an issue, it chgs from location to location and can be unfair in Sim, another reason for realistic in the tourney. P-47 has rockets should not be allowed, guns and cannon planes only and no rear gunner planes either. I know if a list is made and a random draw is done w/ realistic settings as I mentioned more people would enter than decline, fix them and I believe I would enter but until the rules are neat and clean and the same for everyone I'm going to wait for a change..But I will if you update them and correct issues with multiple variables.
Best Regards

I disagree with most of that. Unlimited ammo requires no aiming skill, just bullet spamming. Unlimited ammo also completly takes out the posibility of a pilot underfire jinking and forcing his pursuer to run out. The rule about landing then bailing out not counting as a crash is quite clever as it then becomes very posible if both planes need to land at the same time.

Now about having it on realistic. I doubt realistic would create more players now alot of people have moved more to sim. I can't be certain but I think there are actually more people playing sim than realistic, its definatly the case when i'm online. I, and others have stated here that they would only fly on sim. Nobody has said that about realistic, so I think the oposite if what you said is true. Not having flaps in realistic also makes some of the planes far more difficult to fly agressively. Using your flaps is a skill, not an unfair advantage. Spotting your enemy in sim is also a skill that is non existant in realistic, even a monkey can follow a pointing arrow. Yes some people may have a small advantage with big HD screen, but then ,when I play cricket, lots of people on the other team have a better bat than me, but how foolish would I look if I complained and asked them to use one as bad as mine instead?

Now I do agree that the rules are not clear enough in some areas. Rockets shouldn't be allowed (but how often do you see them in dogfights anyway), No bombers or jets/Me163 but all other planes allowed (Bf110 having a rear gun is fine with me, does very little damage anyway.) About the maps and time of day, I think a map and time of day should be set in the rules just so to take the posiblity of disagreement between the two players away.

To properly lead a target and hit then put him away is an art, as long as no aim assit is there the spamming thing I have never done, I only shoot when in range, and that spamming thing is hogwash to anyone that uses guns well. We had afull room most of the night on realistic I haven't ever seen that in Simulator ever, and you guys barely get 8 guys together and there always the same ones. I know most of my team except Brick and Drew prefer Realistic.

Check the Sim Leaderboards and you will see the difference between trigger spamming (unlimited) and ammo conservation (limited). Brickster is the master with limited ammo with 3.29% of his bullets hit, compared to your 0.41% in realistic (only 2 games but you did have 12 kills so you must have been close to best player in each.)

Also we are getting new players insim every week, and long time realistic players are starting to play more sim. I posted last saturday that we had 14 players in a lobby.

I'm still in, but I wouldn't be surprised if people pull out. Nobody has heard from you in awhile and the rules have changed.

Hmmm I'd be intrested to know how you chose who plays who? You shouldn't have TBC's in a random draw. And you have seed numbers? How did you decide them?

Having winged about the non inclusion of the LA5 and seeing it included in the new Plane List, the least I can do is enter and support the tourny.

EvangelusE (gamertag)

Not sure how the requirement to win a game to go into the first round works so hopefully you can let me know on that. Not much experience on 1v1 so please note the Vacancy below:-

WANTED.

Freindly SIM partner for 1 v 1 confidence building sessions. Desirable attributes:

a) Blind as a bat

b) cannot shoot for shit!

AVAILABLE

Frendly SIM partner for 1v1 confidence building practice sessions.

Qualifications:- Blind as a bat and can't shoot for shit!


Aces need not apply!

Too funny!!!!!
 

Too funny!!!!! :lol: …but unfortunately I think I qualify!?!?

so n e word on when we will start d competition??

Sorry TRC, not one to hurt anyones feelings but sorry bud .......you don't qualify and your application for the above vacancy has been unsuccessful!

:grin:

All entrants must have sent thier app forms to the address provided by Friday 29th January. Qualifying round will start soon after. We now have 17 entrants and it would be nice to have 20.

Thanks

lol dude, slight problem with your rules.
Okay, heres an example, you tell me who wins.

Player A........11 kills.........14 crashes.
Player B........10 kills.........11 crashes.

By your current rules everybody WINS!!!! HURAAH!!

Or wait maybe everyone looses? :(:(:(

Also what happened to the landing to re-arm rule? is it still in?

What about having a scoring system like the post patch PS3 version. 5 points per kill and -1 for a death/crash. Seems to work for the most part.

just sent the form in :D

thanks stealth, will put you into the table now, only 1 place left guys!

OK, the player with the MOST KILLS WINS!

Na, nice idea but keeping it to just amount of kills will be easier ;)

UPDATE

STEALTH FINGER WAS LAST ENTRANT, NOT ACCEPTING ANY MORE ENTRANTS. PLEASE SEE THE LADDER FOR INFO I HAVE LEFT QUALIFYING A WEEKS GAP SO PEOPLE CAN PRACTICE.

Thanks Guys, and sorry if you didn't get in. Although if this one is a success I will run more in the future.

damn...if anyone drops out you have mine which I sent just before you posted all places gone! Best of luck to all......

Im down on the qualifying mate, but you've played this game more than me recently and have had more combat games than me this month. Seems a little unfair not to let you take part.

So..

I'll drop out, you can take my place. Seems only fair mate. I want to see you in the final!! win it for mate lol.

FOZ should i remove your name and replace it with SEE's then?

Thanks Foz,,,,as for seeing me in the final..LOL ..:grin:...only if pigs are flying....and unfortunately...they aint!

OK SEE looks like your in my man! Also take a look at the vid explaining the rules people! Matches start tomorrow!

Yeah, please mate. Only fair to be honest. If a space does become free though then i'll take it :D

Just do me proud mate lol, this is a good tournament. Just give it your best shot :D

will do buddy........sent you a message Thatyoung....concerning my gamertag.....not SEE but EvangelusE.....otherwise my opponent may get a tad confused .......

Sorry about that SEE, I've now changed your name to EvangelusE as requested.

Kudos to you ThatYounGamerGuy, you've exceeded yourself mate and done really well to set this up. Glad its working out so far and you have your pilots :D

Well done mate, give yourself a pat on the back, you did well.

Do that, and the whole thing becomes just as unfair as the current unpatched multiplayer with peoples kills not counting.

Ive come to agree with BoneySLR, the only way to make it fair is to have unlimited ammo and have the person with the most deaths the looser. I don't like unlimited ammo but it is the only fair way.

Ill play either way, but I agree that "ye who has the most kills, wins" wont be very fair. The kill clock doesnt work and shouldnt be relied on. There are a lot of great players in this tournement and most of these matches will probably come down to only a kill or two in the match. It would be nice to atleast have a penalty for crashing. But seeing as this has already gotten started, it might be better to keep things the way they are. Either way im here to have fun, and squirel is going to wipe up the map with me in the first round anyway. lol.

I didn't even see this. Have you somehow jumped a week into the future?

You write in the rules yourself that Matches start on the 30th. You can't suddenly put the whole thing forward with no warning. Sort the rules out first, and don't break them yourself lol

Sorry about that I forgot I'd set them up to start on the 30th! Well I'll stick to that, so you guys have some time to practice. So games start on the 30th NOW lol. And ok, I agree with you guys on that rule, so I'll change it.

thanks buddy, but you guys have really helped as well!

I've changed the rule guys, and will put an annotation in my video as well

Time to set the map, time of day and conditions, and should be the same for everyone first round, no night ops, they rarely flew at night for obvious reasons.
Thankyou

Yes, I would suggest for the first round somehthing easy which everybody is used to and comfortable with. Dover, Day, Clear. Maybe?

yo robo, check your pm's

Yeah I got it, plenty of time yet. we see each other in the game pretty often so we can probably just wait till the 30th and then do it whenever we are both on. That ok?

Hey Guys Ive set the conditions for the games, just look at the table.

Thankyou, looks like we are good to go...Lock and Load!!

Yeah thats cool dude

i was wondering if vicious eagle is around here reading this i was triyng to see if i could get you to pm me on xbl my xbl name is DaNNy B00zE (the 00 are zeros) so we could set up d match soon i am moving soon to different state so i would like to try n set up the qualification match soon so i can get it done b 4 i cancel my internet......:(

check out the prizes video on the original post!

Yep, I'm here, although I just noticed that the contest was back on. I'll try to contact you and set something up.

Vicious

Okay I'll add my competitor "jackedwardmorri" to my friendslist and try to arrange a meeting in the next days.

I hope this will work out!

Cheers.

GT=LGorrit

Ditto, added C1D Highwind to freinds list and sent message to arrange for this week.

Good Luck to everyone competing :)

.....too late to change the rules but 'least deaths' to win is only sensible with limited ammo. 3 points for a kill and a penalty for each crash was the sensible solution otherwise 'B&Z' with a fast plane and lethal cannons .....spray em with all you can dish out from long range before your guns get red hot then hot foot it ......meanwhile the opponent is damaged and crashes or bails out rather than killed.....

My match is tomorrow and will play with the current rules......but are they right if your looking for a champion that is not only a good flyer but a great practitioner of accuracy too? This suits the B&Z tactics more than T&B.

One more things to bring up is the prizes. I believe that MS points are region locked and will only work in the country you bought them. So if someone outside of the UK won, the points wouldn't work for us.

I've hosted a tourney where this happened and I couldn't get the winner his prize. Just a heads up. It might be worth checking out.

I do agree Angelo, but I thought and thought and couldn't see another way. The Kill counter is plain broken so any competeition that uses it as a way of score is flawed. The death count is acuate and can be used as a measure of how well someone has flown (Forcing another pilot into a mistake an loss of control leading to a crash should be credited to the other pilot as a kill anyway). limited ammo would unhinge this because of the need to die to re-arm.

UPDATE 1ST FEB

The First Games 2 Were Played Yesterday, and another today! Please Check The Table For The Results, A Highlights Video Will Also Be Coming When 4 Games Are Played.

Played mine today but a couple of observations.

1. A prescribed Respawn time for all future rounds. My competitor and I agreed on 5 seconds so players could get into action relatively quickly but might be an idea to have an agreed respawn time. 5, 10 , 15 20...?

I'm happy with 5....what say ye?

2. Draw. If a draw is the outcome will this be resolved by another full match or a 'golden Kill' (e.i. first player to crash or die on an immediate subsequent match loses round)....might not happen but there is a chance.

Got your PM SEE, congrats on the win. Check the table, i've updated it :)

And as for changing the rules, unfortunately they aren't really changeable because it would put already played matches at a disadvantage. I will however incorporate the draw rule.

Are we keeping a record of what planes are being used? Would be intresting to know.

Yep, would be interesting to see the a/c used. I did submit the details just in case they would be needed.


Respawn time.

I think Quarter finals and onwards should have a set period for obvious reasons.

Scores
 

Okay, Draux and I, SSL Squirrel, had our match, and these were the results:


Draux: 3 kills 12 deaths


SSL Squirrel: 8 kills 7 deaths

That was supposed to be in a PM squirrel:mad: lol.

But yeah that was the score.

haha
 

oops, sorry drew, i wasnt sure, and wanted to make sure i got the stuff across lol

Can't see it makes any difference whether here or in a PM , As long as he can see your score.

No doubt you used the Me109G-6 (God Cannons) :-P:-P

Nah I beat him when he used his G6 but the score was close, so I offered him a rematch and told him if I had five deaths more than he did he could take it. He took an La7 and the rest is history.

Draux, Should have kept quiet about that I think. I already knew and wasn't going to say anything.

hmm >.>
 

I smell a fallacy pope -_-

Not so infallible now huh?

Didnt mean anything by it. The rematch was my idea and Im glad we had one. Squirel is a great player and the first match should have been a warm up match anyway.

Tournament Table Has Been Updated. Only 3 More Matches In This Round!