"Battle for Europe" Competition (PS3 SIM Players) "Year: 1946"
 

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Hell yes!

LOL, I love how you put VAS and Penor Flight. Penor Flight is only 2 people. XD, me and Dubbinenglish :P

I don't really mind what team (A or B) I'm on. Whatever you thinks fits best. :)

Hell yea sign me up... But apologies to fellow VAS guys - I voted fresh teams. I know some of you have probably been itching to see organised combat for your flights, but I think the competition would be better off if the teams were balanced (i.e. Edal and Mirgervin* on opposite teams lol).

Just out of curiosity Edal, did you ever play EndWar?


* I don't think Mirgervin is in VAS, but there are a lot of good pilots who are...

infinitestates,

never played end war, but I was fan of Age of Empires, Empire Earth, Company of Heroes, and other PC strategy games.

I dont think VAS vs Everyone else will be unfair teams at all because there are many new players that are dominating the skies right now (maninovka, mirgervin Ar_kozz, etc..) My first post on this forum was to sign up for the VAS squadron a long time ago and we just didnt really do anything with it. It would be great to finally make some use of VAS squadron but that is why I included a Poll, so that you guys can vote about it, after all, it is you guys that will make this tournament possible.

Exams are keeping me from playing at all...

But if anyone of the pros could help me learn formation flying and wingman tactics sometime after Christmas, I'd really appreciate it.

I don't have a mic for the PS3 though. :(

AR_Kozz

Team CCCP!!!

Considering there have been no team competitions yet, team USSR could just be organized as team VVS.

Then it would be VAS vs VVS.

Penor flight could just be part of one or the other.

... and Mirgervin should get to be on team USSR too :)

how is formation flying going to work on maps where people respawn?

Count me in!

I'm not on anyone's squadron or team or whatever, but I'd like to fly a Spit if I could. I may need a bit of training up - I'm on pretty often learning a few skillz...

This will be awesome, and after one team wins, we can set up again and with new teams. Like a never ending thing. XD

Each team will respawn on their side of the map for all events of this tournament (team deathmatches, capture airfield, and strike), so at first you will be able to fly in formation, real pilots try not to die and having a wingman will help you stay alive. In case you die you will respawn on your side of the map, if you like you can contact your team members or flight group and set a rally point, from there you can continue flying in formation.

I intend teams to be big in numbers so that you will at least find 3 or 4 members of your team online at any time and also 3 or 4 enemies.

** continue posting questions, I will post a complete description of the rules and all you will need to know when the patch arrives, If we never get the patch dont worry, I will still make it work :) **

Awesome idea mate... this should be good fun. Count me in, and I don't mind what team I fly for.

yeah brilliant idea! nice one, sign me up :grin:

Perkele, mieshän on nero, as we finns say. You can try to translate that in google. Count me in bro. I'd like to see some vas action in this.. But mixed teams are also fine for me. Scheduling this will be hard I think..

LOL yep - quite agree :)
Google couldn't translate "mieshän", but it's not rocket science to work out...

ok sign me up
i like team games
btw for chat will i need a mic?

I'm probably going to regret this (when I'm a flaming ball of twisted metal)..

But, Sign me up.
Team wise I'm not that bothered but I'm a Spitfire-o-phile.

If you guys have gone to the trouble of setting up squadrons it'd be a shame not to use them. You could always rethink if the first game is horrendously one sided.

My skill level on sim is improving but I'd still say I was a novice.

PSN: winny1973

I will throw my hat in the ring for this too. I am arcade based but will give it my best

PSN dkwookie

Ok, count me in...thanks for making the effort to set this up.

edal i think plane selection should go like this
so many battles= a year
each country you take you get their planes
and the usa should ally britain
also in march time (if im not too ocupied by revision for gcse's and gt5 il make a realistic version for this

Join me up! Id like to be in a VAS team but if not then USSR (team b? already forgotten!) My PSN is down in my sig :D

I want to say Edal, i thank you very much for organising these events. If there was no you then this wouldnt be possible! Thanks!:grin:

count me in, but not till the patch is released for PS3. I will fly for whichever team. Prefer german planes.

droz6699

If one side is able to hold Germany for enough turns, it should get jets. Otherwise, whose gonna bother using German planes...

If the USSR is in control of Norway, why would they bother crossing all that land when they could just directly attack the UK from Norway

I don't think very many of us have B-17's. It takes a while to get them and there's not many chances to use bombers in sim mode.

If possible, there should be team threads created with group permissions so only team members can get into them. If the mods here have the power to set group permissions... this is a phpbb right

* It may look dumb for the USSR to cross all that land instead of attacking from Norway, but I made it this way so that the tournament does not end with a single invasion. It really does not matter what territory Norway belongs to, I could delete Norway, Finland, and Sweeden from the map if I wanted to. (The objective of this is to add lasting appeal). By the way, there is a major distance difference in invading the UK from France and invading the UK from Norway.

* The reason behind needing the B-17G to invade the UK or USSR is so that teams dont Ignore Italy. Remember, this tournament will take place after the patch, the patch will make it easier to obtain the B-17G. The patch will also alter the P-51. Please be patient and dont worry about these things yet.

-I have the B-17G, I know many others have it too, can you guys post if you have it please

* Are you forgetting about the Bf 109 lovers? :) This is no longer a 1 vs 1 tournament I am sure there are many players out there that will use the Fw 190 and Bf 109 K-4 to down bombers (myself included). Be creative, for example: I can fly the Fw190D and have a team member as a wingman flying a more agile plane (La7, or Spitfire), I would take care of a bomber and he would take care of my ass.


- Again, I mean for this tournament to include tactics, and communication its no longer an obligatory lone wolf, 1 vs 1 tournament. I believe the smarter team will win.

Bf-109K4 lover right here! Just can't use it in 1v1.

That is the one useful role of the fw190. It rolls very fast, and it has enough power to attack a bomber from below without falling behind into range of the gunner. Also it has plenty of ammunition. I have some doubts about whether any of the BOP fighters will do so good against B-17's though.

This means you will finally have to get a headset, I think.

I have the B-17 :D i would also use a FW190/BF109 in the game, if only to add some realism. Dont forget that the FW190 is being looked at aswell, it has the same problem as the P-51!

i want the b17
if anyone has any time can we do some 3 minuite arcade strike matches where you let me win so i can unlock it

Gimme a shout if you have some time as ill let you win, it'l give me some flying time in my B-17 lol, i havnt actualy flown it!

ok il use the ju87 d3 so i can get the 190 f8 as well

I have the B-17 and believe me, any fighter can take it down - it's made of paper lol. If the FW is fixed in the patch I would also fly that in an anti-bomber role as long as I had anti-fighter escorts. I also love flying the 109g6.

I'm definitely up for letting guys win strike matches to get the B17 if you'll just let me destroy some targets for the few remaining weapon unlocks I need :)

EDIT: also, if it believed we can make balanced teams with VAS vs others then change my vote from "Fresh random teams" to the top option. Which at this stage will make it 7-6 in favour of "VAS vs Everyone Else". And lol @ the forum underlining "favour" in red :P

Sorry I can't edit your vote.

I don't have the b-17 wither. Maybe next week someone could help me? :). I only need like 20 more wins I think <---- THINK!!! lol, might be a lot more though. :(

If you catch me online I would be glad to help. I'm off work all week. Edal and I got these early on.

Same! Just give me a shout :D

count me in too guys

I have absolutly no pref over either of the options and dont have the B-17 yet

<3

If we were all online at the same time you three against me and I will lose everytime. :-P

Recommend arcade mode so it will go faster.

I m in..
 

Very good idea Edal.. One more time i can say!
I regret my poor english cause i don t understand the most thing was write here. I can say i would like to be a pilot of a luftwaffe staffel.. My prefer warbirds are 109 F4 and Fw 190. So i m waiting news and i try to be an experten.. :)

please Sign me up for VAS
This tournament looks awsome!
Any idea when it is going to be held (Saturdays, Fridays, etc...)?

PSN: zjo

Could you help me as well?

I need around 15 to 20 wins....:(

I will explain this later, hopefully you will also like the idea behind how matches are "scheduled". To be honest the only scheduled matches will be those that involve invading or capturing a team's home land (UK, or USSR).

*** reminder to all***
- I will use the first 3 posts of this thread as bulletin boards, so be sure to check them regularly for any update or news,

--------------------------------------------THANKS FOR VOTING :) -----------------------------------------------

OK my friend, I recommend for players that wish to fly mainly german planes to select team B (USSR), because the USSR is most likely to have control of German territories most of the time.

P.S. World Cup 2010, GROUP A (South Africa, Mexico, Uruguay, France) :S
good luck to us my French friend :)

Me too, I need a B-17. I've yet to win a strike match using a bomber.

I ran a couple strikes today that were 4 vs 4, 2 bombers 2 fighters on each side. I noticed a couple things:

) the maps with ships on one side and bunkers other have a big advantage to the side that gets to bomb the ships, they are bigger targets and there's fewer of them

) either using limited ammo, both the fighters and bombers end up having to crash into each other. Or with unlimited ammo, all the bombers will be running around with 60 bombs each

Sure but I never see you online. I thought you psn was different? I thought it was four letters.
Am I on your list? Send me a message.

Count me in edal sounds like a good idea my man. PSN Dinho28

Infinitestates
Is part of V.A.S.

So I choose B team.. And for the world cup our qualfication was lucky, group Not easy-easy but lucky too! In french we say never 2 without 3.. The providence probably help us to win world cup in 3! lool
(without providence it's impossible!)

in like flynn... :cool:

welcome aboard my friend :)

* To all participants:
- please spread the word about this tournament, the more people we have the better. I will try to get all the participants from the "Ace of Aces Tournament" to join this one too, looks like we might get around 40 players involved in this :)

- its going to be a lot of work for me lol, I hope that you all have a good time and enjoy this competition :D

hello guys
great idea edal!!!!!!!!!!!
i want do this new tounament!!!

Sign me up, will need to blow the dust off my old headset to see if it still works though.

And whatever team you decide in the interests of balancing the numbers.

good to have you guys :)

hi there. im new here, but i followed this forum since release of bop.
the battle for europe is the reason to sign in here. (i only own a ps3 and its very strange/hard to take a membership here^^ ) but now, i got it.
pls sign me to this battle
gmt +1
STLINGERSLX

nice to meet you! it was fun flying with you last night. ;)

since the patch comes out, boom and zoom is a very usefull tactic... :)

Welcome and glad to see you have signed up here.

I enjoyed chasing you around the Dover map :)

^^
daisy-cutter

welcome :)
sorry, is your psn id = thx?

sry, was edited...
btw...
did i understand that, when team-A capture germany, then they are able to use the german planes ?

Yes, If team A captures Germany then Team A will be able to fly German Planes.
- Any territory that a Team captures they also capture the planes assigned to that territory

I just had a look at the map, and I noticed that Team A starts with Britain and France, and Team B with USSR and Germany. I hadn't noticed that before.
The more I think about this campaign, the more I like it. This is going to be epic.

Now I think about it, I wish I'd voted for VAS vs Everyone in the poll... I originally thought it would be unfair, but after seeing all the s**t hot non-VAS players I've changed my mind.

perhaps, u can edited a timeline to the rounds. it startet 1940 and a round goes 6 month, for example. so we have to choose a lot more planes during the whole battle. and not everytime the most powerful plane of each fraction. ^^
like the idea of haitch40.

Thats a good idea, although that might cause problems when conquering regions. For example, Team A captures France during the first round, but because the round is still set in 1940, they wouldn't be allowed to access any of the US aircraft. Likewise, conquering Italy early on would be almost pointless, whereas conquering Germany straight away would give access to the early 109's and Heinkels.


Another thing to consider is picking the best hosts to stage the games. We need to find out who has the best upload speed's and then designate a few players from both sides, and different regions, to host the games. Otherwise it may turn into a lag fest if we get the sort of number Edal is talking about

hmmm, seems to be difficult, with the timeline. maybe "the brain"- edal have an idea. ^^

i tested my i-net connections on http://www.speedtest.net/
10,88 mb/s download
0,67 mb/s upload
ping 34
(server <50 miles away)
im a it-noob... is that a good connection ?

F**ked if I know mate, I was hoping you might know about such things!!
I know that 10mb download is pretty decent (mine's only 8mbps, but i'm lucky if I get 4mbps :confused:), but too run a decent server I think you need to have a good upload speed. Maybe one of the more tech-savvy types around here can help?

+1 right there...

Upload speed is the most important. We might need some "host tryouts"? lol

Sign me up.
hopefully i can get a new tv before the comp.

My speed is dreadfully slow...

just did the test

results:

download = 29.98 Mb/s
upload = 3.54 Mb/s
ping = 80

* I have hosted 12 player games many times with no problem

*** Please test your connection (thanks for link) ***

Yeah, I have to say, those games you were hosting last night were impressive. The only time there was lag was when someone left, but that is standard issue (and brief). That is an unusually high upload speed you have there though. Do you live next door to the Pentagon, and they didn't password their wireless network? Noobs lol.

You now go on my esteemed list of people I've seen hosting a 10+ player match without problem. The list now consists of 2. And I can't remember who the other guy was... :)

EDIT: I've tested my maximum hosting capacity and it turns out to be 8 players.

Download=1.96mb/s
Upload=0.25mb/s
Ping=30

How?

LOL by hosting, then asking people if it was laggy :)

Nothing official or clever I'm afraid.

Ohhh! lol.

I thought there was a special site for that too.. :P

i hosted a 12 man server too. no problems. even not in other games.

Did you ask others? You obviously won't see problems as the host - it's others that will have the problems :)

Mine

Last Result:
Download Speed: 7561 kbps (945.1 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 488 kbps (61 KB/sec transfer rate)

Down = 13.62
Up = .95
Ping = 27

I remember playing withs omeone (I think it was AR_Kozz) and he has a godly upload speed. Like 9 something. :O

But, I don't think this is the way we should be testing our connections. The PS3 has a built in capability to measure D'load, U'load, and Ping under "Network connections" I think. Try there, there may be differences between our PC's and our PS3's

yes, most time i play with a couple of mates from my friendlist. from germany , over uk to us.
but no one from asia.

Huh, I did a speed test through rogers and got download:2.39Mbps upload:884Kbps, but when I go through the PS3 network test I only get failed for both, but I've played games online with almost zero lag almost every time.

Higher upload than download? That's rare :)

Check again, upload is Kbps, download is Mbps.

Nope, lol. "upload:2.39Mbps download:884Kbps" Just a lil' mix up on your part :P

Lol, now I feel stupid :) Oh well its all fixed now.

Just about everyone with more than 600 kbits upload should, in theory, be able to host 12 players. Edal's 3 + mbits of upload is T1-line range, it would be able to host up to 50 on a shooter.

But a couple of those 12-player matches the other day did involve some disconnects... remember the strike round in Sicily, where poor Mirgervin ended up on the losing end of a 6 vs 3 battle when the French players were disconnected... right after that was a team battle at Dover, the dots on the map were pretty jumpy and the sides ended up uneven again.

I think geography plays as much if not more of a role than upload bandwidth (download bandwidth pretty much means nothing). Earlier today I was in a 4-player game hosted in the UK, Macademic who is in Moscow lost connection within a couple minutes. Moscow is clear around the world from the western US. I think the more players there are scattered around the world, the less the network is able to handle them.

I'm betting the best 12-player results will be when the host is near the geographic center of the players.

I have also noticed that the French tend to get disconnected from transatlantic matches, quite a bit.

Part of the reason may be that Europe has invested more in their high-bandwidth hardware than the US or Russia.

My upload is 896 kbits max, it usually cruises around 700.

* dont think im not following your comments and suggestions guys, keep posting ideas. This particular one, I may consider.

* Im working on the other tournament and my semester finals also, but I will have this baby running by January as I already promised.

Oh, they got disconnected? I just thought they quit cos of the B17s :) No offence - I didn't even know they were French :P

Don't worry man - you're doing a great job. Worry about your finals first and foremost. I only speak for my myself, but I'm not fussed about starting a new event this close to Xmas. Especially with the other tourney going on. But if you need to leave the eliminations in that one until after Xmas too - that's cool. It's a good break point and a good chance to re-learn how to fly with blackouts etc :)

Since olife, varcus and philabong all have headsets, and hardly anyone else does, when I join a game usually what I hear is French, which drives me nuts cause I can't understand more than a few words of it.

More players need to get headsets, it is vital to winning team battles.

like i said earlier in this thread but i think no1 read it
i would like it to start at 1940 and your planes only (usa should ally britain as the usa hated the ussr just got on with them in ww2 to defeat hitler) and so many battles should = a year and any countries you take you get their planes

sry bout that m8, but its pretty hard 4 me to speak both langage at the same time or try n translate evrything ppl says on the spot - varcus and olife arent very fluent in english - its also very fun to hear from my french cousins (those guys r great peeps) so we end up in endless discussions which i admit must b pretty annoying for others in the lobby or ingame DF. Again I apologize.

As for headsets, they are vital indeed. I got mine used for about 30 bux at my gamestore.

i have a headset!

AYE!!! I have a headset and you know it :evil: lol, JK

Most of us have headsets. I stop using mine because sometimes the game allowed us to hear each other and sometimes it did not, I think it is fixed now. But yes, as Kozzmo said, they are vital in team matches

Hi edal,

When you get things rolling, put me with the USSR... earlier I said I wanted to fly a Spit but I'm beginning to hate that plane, lol, just b/c so many others fly it. I hate the Spit so much all I wanna do is shoot it down. That is, if I can - I'm still learning - Spit flyers usually chew me up and *spit* me out!

No it's not annoying, what I meant is the English speakers and German speakers hardly ever use their headsets. If you three are all on the same team, you'll have a big advantage. Besides, French is the military language.


Then you've got the potential to be a great la-5 pilot.

One of the most glorious sights in BOP is watching a spit lurch and spin when you hit its big fat wing.

KAMERADEN !! AUF IN DEN KAMPF !!! (richard wagners *fly of the valkyre* plays on an old grammophon in the background) ^^ lol
sry...ot

Aye do too as well.


I would like to make the joining. With the request of being on the same group as Silenz since we fly well together.

I'm with you 100% Kozz - I'll start practicing more on that plane!

What are you talking about? you bring me waaaaayyyyyyyy down...

JKJK! lol :P We do use tactics well together. :)

kozzm0 first time we are sorry ,it is right ,with varcus we speak a lot during the game and do a lot of noise
as say philabong(and he is right)we are not good in english and it is very difficult for us to speak and understand english
we will try to speak english but in my opinion u will laugh a lot when u will hear us
philabong my bud!!my cousin!!it is right we are a great peeps!!sorry it must be sometimes funny to hear us but i m agree we must be a bore in the neck to everybody!!we are sorry!exuse guys

i think you speak english fine well you atleast know what ur saying and understand others with psn mailing