OH for the love of Go@
 

Go to the developers web site the only post so far this week is this..

New week !!! - New news ?


Oh for the love of go@,WE dont want news about the update,we want the UPDATE.Someone call somebody and get some people off there ass and off the next game AND FIX THIS GAME...WE dont need it to do backflips just fix the scoring.so that dieing is not a good thing thats what most players are upset about is the multi player scoring HOW LONG COULD THAT TAKE TO FIX.This is getting to the level of ridiculousness that is hard to understand.

Yes we are getting a little impatient. We were told that October is when we would see update and DLC. But update hasn't happened yet....

Spoken like someone who's never had to fix software.

We'll be lucky if the publishers pays to deploy just the one patch. So the chances of getting a quick-fix patch to bandage something that is more annoying than broken followed by another patch is slim to none.

The moaning about patches for this game annoys me more than the state of the game TBH. In fact, I love the game. I look forward to the patch because of the improvements it will bring, but BoP is very playable in it's current state.

Thankfully it really hasn't caused a uproar.:-P Mostly everyone on here is mature enough.

just to take the pee and to grate me even more i brought mw2 monday night at midnight got home and put the disc in at 1245 and guess what as soon as the disc spun into action .....yes you guessed it an update

can you belive it they managed to get the update out before the game was even released maybe 505 games should take note ??:evil:

i think ive gave this game enough time to sort its self out so now its on the tradein shelf

now i dont want anyone to think im bashing this game im not i love this game and have waited a long time for a game like this but it just dont cut it how can you think its a sim when the p51 flys the way it does etc etc

now i wanted this game to succced as much as anyone but i dont think it will i mean its broken and the only news is that they are going to release it for the pc!!

i can only wait so long before i lose intrest and give up waitin time for something new i think


but... to the many ppl ive met on here i hope to continue playing on live with you guys it just wont be on this game unless a miracle happens :(

and I heard they were releasing another patch for mw2 on friday too. I dont have a real source for that though so it may just be a rumor. And don't forget mw2 has hundreds of thousands of people playing it(maybe even millions) and BoP has what, like 100...200?

what a joke some geeks are
 

Spoken like someone who's never had to fix software.

lol.
ok as part of the USMC.We got orders to move from 1 base to another base .we moved 1240 men.78 trucks.12 tanks 7 helos.and all the equipment for every man across a country A ENTIRE COUNTRY all in 24 hours...So being a man that has been involved with things like this is.Tell me again how hard it is to wright some new code for a video game...WHAT A JOKE YOU little computer geeks are acting like this is some big deal for a programmer.You guys need to realize this is a video game if there jobs depended on it I bet they could wright the code in a afternoon.They maybe able to pull the wool over you young guys eyes

but im a old man I know how life works THE SKWEEKY wheel gets the grease but as a group we are not skweeking enough or we would have our update already

And yes thats my own spelling on the word skweeky I LIKE IT

You do realize you sound more arrogant than Infinite supposedly sounded, right?
Not being a marine, I can say: "Why, that's easy, just get a couple of planes and helicopters and it's all done". I'm guessing it's not as easy as it sounds. Same with writing a code.
You stick with your mentality and keep skweeking, don't attack someone who actually knows something about writing code, and act so demeaning.

Thank you Mr. Mod. ;)

I do agree though.

MW2 and Forza 3, got them on monday when I traded in IL-2 and Operation Flashpoint, because incompetant staff can't do their jobs. and BOTH MW2 (1 day BEFORE release as it arived EARLY in the post) and Forza 3 (how long has that been out now) AND BOTH PATCHED STRAIGHT AWAY!

1 company managed to patch it BEFORE its oficial release, so yes How hard can it be?

I've traded IL-2 because they've taken the pi** and slapped the console gamers in the face with an appalling game and NO support.

I'll still be on here cus there's some good convo's now and again, and some good people, but IL-2 is an epic failure, and i suspect they've learnt nothing and if there even IS a sequel, it will be equally poor.

So before you rush to everyone's defence and criticise someone for saying how hard could that be? instead of saying asked y someone whose never programmed anything, how about you ask it to the people holding up the patch, I dont care WHO it is, they're ALL to blame, I dont care if it's sony, microsoft, 1c, 505 games, the Devs, Jesus, or Snoopy. They all chose to work together so it's eveybodys fault. don't bash someone for expecting a job they get PAID to do, and we all paid CASH for, to do it well and right! others can do it, so they should be expected to!

2 brand new games out and patched, even Flashpoint got a patch, shame it didnt fix anything but at least they tried.

no offense Ancient but have you noticed how many previous posters in other threads mention this of you...? (my Dutch colleagues say its kinda a Dutch thing - "not intentional just how we come across")

I have to agree that in many lines of work you get sh!t done or else...most don't have the luxury of such nebulous deadlines...

Having said that Skweeking about THIS game makes "Sweet Football Association" of a difference...

The MP was a bodge job...lets hope next bop does actually sort it out.

PS the game is still wonderful people...just sayin!
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Gunny,

I refer you to my other post which will fully address your problem:

Click here

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I have been stuck playing fm3 since I broke down and bought it last friday...The game is awesome for a sim, the cars all drive like they should out of the box, there are detailed cockpits for each of the 400+ cars (400 thats a lot of cockpits), the physics and gameplay options are vast. Car customization is deep and there are so many FREE add ons already I had to clear space on my hard drive...The next day I came to work I told all my co-workers what a great purchase this game is! Its so hard nowadays to feel satisfied with the rushed crap we are dealt so often, its rare to see a game with this level of polish that used to be the norm(fm3 I mean). Coming back to Bop it just feels so...weak. I moved into a new place and bought a new coffee table, my soda is leaving a ring on it and I forgot to buy coasters...Bop may get some use after all.

I just read that like 5 times and it made no sense....

Basically he thinks Forza 3 is awesome and Il-2 is a coaster.

Well that's a very basic description.:-P He was saying how polished fm3 is (400 finished cockpits & free DLC) then he comes back to IL2 and it doesn't have the same feeling, thus the coaster remark.

I just dont know how to feel about this game anymore, I waited long and had such anticipation for this title...I hate to say it but with the way this is going, it wont be long before you see IL-2 next to Over G fighters and Chromehounds in the bargain bin...This game should have come with instructions on how to screw yourself and a tool to do it with.

I know I was just summing it up.

When you talk about things you don't understand you sound like an idiot.

You obviously have no idea about either software coding, how the industry works or the ages of your fellow forum users, so stop talking like you do.

Drawing comparisons between a military operation and the coding of a video game patch is moronic.

This is brilliant writing here:grin:

I couldn't agree more with this guy or House MD -- this game was a tremendous let down -- but maybe my expectations were just too high. I stopped playing it about three weeks ago -- but check this forum now and again for any news.

Why bother
 

I was sitting here thinking about how to respond to naivety of your remarks.Then I realized I don't care enough about this game or this forum any more.So,why bother..I will say the adults here know I'm right,and are all wondering if the brown on your nose comes from a DEVELOPER or a FORUM MOD.

What does his post have to do with a FORUM MOD?

sorry
 

Sorry I was kinda referring to something said on the developers forum,So my comment here, may be out of context.SORRY

Don't mistake brown nosing for defending a side of the argument where you can see the larger picture. If I were to say the all US Marines are thick as pig poo and are good for nothing other than doing what they're told like robotic lemmings*, and you then defend the USMC, does that make you guilty of brown nosing your President? I think not.

I will say that the adults on this forum are NOT the ones throwing a tantrum and trading in/making a coaster/taking a drill to a game that is perfectly good as it stands, off the shelf. The adults are the ones adapting to the game's foibles to still get plenty of fun that's there to be had while they wait...

Judging from your OP, it seems your main gripe is deliberate crashers and being denied rightful kills...? That is annoying, it's true. But everyone is in the same situation. How about instead of unoriginal ranting on a forum you don't care about, you instead learn to shoot better so that your opponent doesn't have the chance to screw you out of a kill? If you take out the engine, you get your kill instantly.


And to those that keep citing MW2's release day patch as a good example... You think that's acceptable do you? You think it's OK to ship a game knowing full well it needs a patch before it even hits the shelves. I think it's pathetic that MW2 has had 2 patches in as many days, it needs another one, and is not even a week old. Coupled with the fact that it's also the most expensive game ever, without a peripheral. MW2 is nothing more than an example of what happens when you rush fixes...

And please stop citing Forza 3 as well - that is number 3. For sequels there is very little to do except add content, which is just the tip of the iceberg when you consider all the work that goes into the underlying game. In fact, if the core game is written well, you could conceivably churn out sequel after sequel with no programmer involvement whatsoever.


* Note: that was hypothetical - I'm not saying that.

no!
 

No I have no problem getting kills.And I think the game WAS great.But the BS about the update has made almost all the players leave and its hard to find more than one game going on at at time.The game I waited for three years has turned in to something like OVER-G the same ten guy chasing each other down.So its not me Im worried about IT`s the game .

And by the way I waited for this game,Payed for flight stick and game.and my Xbox.and my big screen so if I want to bitch,I reserve that right.And I could give a flip if anyone agrees with me or not.

+ Fu*king 1

Well I think the fact that it is a very niche game and it was released just before a slew of other great games is probably more to blame for the decline of online players. And no amount of patching will fix that. I also think that those expecting the patch to be a kiss of life to the game are in for a sore disappointment. The patch will improve some things and that's about it.

Be that as it may, it doesn't buy you the right to stoop to personal insults on the level of "brown nosing children". For that the currency is your soul and the vendor is the devil :evil:

Maybe this post was not needed?

sorry, it wasn't the most informative post I agree :-P

I appreciated it :):-P

I didn't understand it I think it went over my head.:-P

About sums up my feelings now too. I can't find ANY games now at the hours I play, and with no split screen for local multi, its all over for me :( My friends that were playing ditched it quite awhile ago. Was very excited about it when it came out and broke my usual rule of waiting a bit before buying 'all new' titles (did that with Flashpoint too lol ;) ).

Funny, the first thing I thought when I put in MW2 and that patch downloaded, was "WTF IL2, they were ready before we even had the disc!" lol :)

Hope to try the patch out at least before it gets traded in. I'll give it another week or two but I honestly think its not going to be anytime soon, and it isn't going to bring online play back to life (most important part of a game for me).

I feel the same as well. Maybe I was over-exagerating the whole coaster post. However I also think the same people behind this game also made several titles for pc to hone their flight model prowess...I am really angry about the P-51d, I wanted that plane and it burns me to know that if anyone tested it first, the thing has a little bit of a "flying problem" to say the least and thanks for messing up the P-47D I payed for and played other sims to get myself prepared, just to be easily out-turned by an IL-4 bomber. Nice, all the ruskie planes rock, and everything save the brit planes are fodder...I get the message being American. They had better adjust the fuel load on all the planes...Makes me want to kick someone in the balls after playing awhile.

That's what $720 MILLION A DAY will do for you. C'mon... get real. Apples and oranges.

aaaanyway, they said they finished the update a long time ago and the publisher is sitting on it for some reason, so don't blame the dev.

Sorry, but taking the time to post, just to say that you can't be bothered to respond doesn't cut it.

I am an adult, own my own business, a house, am married and have a daughter, so please don't talk down to me.

My post had nothing to do with 'brown nosing' either the developer of the moderators (?). Cheap shots with nothing behind them also don't cut it.

I was only calling out the ironic immaturity (do you really need all the caps?) and irrelevance of your comments. I still fail to see how your example of moving a lot of people form one country to another has anything whatsoever to do with the update to this game. Perhaps you could elaborate?

ok
 

Very big complex things in life can happen fast if enough effort is given to the operation.And very small things can take forever if the operation is being conducted poorly.I`m sorry but we are talking about code in a computer,X`s and 0`s.in the binary code.It just seams to me this should be a thing that programmers,developers ,and game company's should be able to do easily.You know like it was there job or something.

And if the hold up is not the programming but the process and testing and getting the "OK`s" to proceed ,then maybe we should look at the process.In any event,Its a fact the game was misrepresented.and not tested properly before release and 100% of the attention should have been payed by the company's,programmers,and anyone else involved.To fixing the problems with this release before we ever heard anything about the next release.

Can a mod please lock this thread, its utterly utterly pointless and counter-productive; some people are angry, some people are not, just forget about it. If you aint gonna play the game, then dont. If you have some gripes about it, keep it to yourself and stop ruining it for the rest of us that still enjoy it.
Please, someone just lock this thread.

And by the same token American troops should never fire on friendly forces...oh, wait... And you mean to tell me politics doesn't get in the way of military action? Stop drawing comparisons - they are not applicable and fall over with the slightest inspection. Just trade in the game and move on if you're that unhappy.

+1 to SloppyClock ^

LOL where did that come from.I was speaking about large operations and small ones.And man you just spazed off in too space"Troops firing on friendly forces and politics" wow."lol".Just could not hold the little leftist tendencies back could you.Ill take the comment " JUST TRADE IN THE GAME AND MOVE ON" as your surrender on this issue .Yes someone lock this thread before this guy needs a therapist.

Don't blame the creators of the PC Il2 series for the messed up flight models in BoP. The PC Il2 series was made by Maddox Games, while Birds of Prey was made by Gaijin Entertainment, using the Il2 game engine and name.

I know Anton has been claiming BoP uses the PC Il2 flight models, but the P51D in BoP does not fly like the P51D in Il2. The P51 in Il2 1946 is a capable performer, fast and reasonably maneouverable, especially at high altitude, and while it can be a handfull to fly with a high fuel load it is in a different league from the P51 in BoP, which is at least 50mph slower and stalls in anything but the gentlest of turns.

Same goes for the P47, while the various models of Fw190 seems heavier than they should be (lower acceleration/top speed and easier to stall than PC versions).

I've had to fix industrial software before now, and fixing one problem can introduce a host of new ones that also need fixing.

It all depends how the "Flight Envelopes" are inserted into the game.

For instance, in the PC game series "Star Fleet Command", the characteristics of starships are all in a large file called a "Shiplist" and this carries a hundred figures that describe how each ship, station or object is involved in the game.

In the old "Red Baron" game, each fighter had its charteristics file in with the aircraft's file. For instance, I modified an SE-5A characteristics file to include an additional invisible top mounted Lewis gun. I just added in a "1" into a column that related to any top wing mounted weaponry on an aircraft.

Changing / correcting the turning circle faults with the Fw-190, P-51 and climb rate errors with the Me-262, Bf-110, etc. shouldn't be much more of a hastle than changing a few envelope varaibles.

If the flight physics engine is still in need of fixing at least a interim patch to correct the above mentioned faults could be issued.

On a PC version it would be user fixable, but not on consoles, alas, as we are kind of locked out.

Apart from the few faults the game is still the best online WW2 console air combat simulator since BSP and BSM.

It is the attention to the ground scenery that make the game so good.... even the branches of the trees sway with the wind.

One of the devs was talking about how they had made some errors in fuel loads for some of the aircraft.

At a guess this would be along the lines of taking the max fuel load figure for the P51D (489 US Gallons with drop tanks) and confusing it with the max internal fuel load for the same plane (269 US Gallons).

That is roughly 800Kg (1800lbs) added on to the weight of the plane, 20% of the normal combat load, and if this is the case it would certainly go a long way towards explaining why the P51 is slow and handles poorly in game.

Same might apply to the P47, which also used high capacity drop tanks to extend range.

Please do. I bow to your superior knowledge of software engineering, game development, QA testing, and manufacturer submissions. I guess where I've been going wrong all these years is not treating it like an analogy of loading a load of guys into a truck and driving them from A to B. Thank you for setting me straight.

Oh but FYI - computers use 1's and 0's.

X's and 0's are used in noughts and crosses (or in American: tic-tac-toe I believe). A game played only by children and fools.

Rightly noted, I hope the extra time they are taking on the update addresses the fuel load issues on all affected "flying boats" and in turn gives all of them a fighting chance. Maybe even some credit. I would play this game 100% more than I have lately ( 0% ). It just gets frustrating to the point I need to vent every now and then...

I like noughts and crosses....its good for long train journeys...

LOL only if you can find someone stupid or naive enough to not force a draw each. And. Every. Game. Zzzzzz :)

3D noughts and crosses however... now you're talking.

Well, either you or me took the comment wrong, but I'm thinking it's you. ;)

As far as I know the only one who needs a therapist is you, you can barely make a post without throwing in some sort of insult to somebody.

Please lock this thread.