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Gripweed62 10-27-2009 04:32 PM

A question to the developers
 
First of all want to say, that I really like this game. It has excellent graphics, superb gameplay and a somewhat authentic athmosphere. You fight yourself more or less unharmed from mission to mission and then you come to 'hornet's nest'. BAM! In more then 20 attempts I shoot about 20 to 30 enemies each turn and more than 20 times I see 'mission failed!' And I am talking about the ARCADE mode! Hello? It says 'ARCADE'! Here's the question: What is the reason for making all of a sudden a mission so absurdly hard? Some people have a very low frustration level concerning games, and I am one step away to throw the game in the bin. If I would want to play the INSANE mode, I'd chosen it! I really want to know whats the sense of it. Thank you.

Ancient Seraph 10-27-2009 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gripweed62 (Post 114935)
First of all want to say, that I really like this game. It has excellent graphics, superb gameplay and a somewhat authentic athmosphere. You fight yourself more or less unharmed from mission to mission and then you come to 'hornet's nest'. BAM! In more then 20 attempts I shoot about 20 to 30 enemies each turn and more than 20 times I see 'mission failed!' And I am talking about the ARCADE mode! Hello? It says 'ARCADE'! Here's the question: What is the reason for making all of a sudden a mission so absurdly hard? Some people have a very low frustration level concerning games, and I am one step away to throw the game in the bin. If I would want to play the INSANE mode, I'd chosen it! I really want to know whats the sense of it. Thank you.

Sorry to answer as a lowly forum member, instead of a dev :P.
The Arcade part is not so much applicable to the difficulty of the missions, but more to the difficulty of the flying. To keep the game a bit challenging on Arcade as well, they chose to increase the requirements to pass a mission for Arcade. Usually you'll find you have to destroy more targets and whatnot in Arcade than in Realistic. The problem with Hornet's Nest is that this concept kind of 'overshot' at that particular mission. I know you know it's supposed to be easier on Realistic. Have you tried that out? If so, if it isn't working out, why not?

Tudorp15 10-27-2009 04:39 PM

Try to switch to realistic. When I first got the game, I did the whole thing in arcade, then went though again in realistic. I fly only realistic and sim now.

But, when I was going though in arcade, I had this issue with that battle, just as most people did. I never did beat that one in arcade. I switched to realistic and beat it the 2nd time on it. In realistic, the flight and damage is more realistic, but it only had about half the enemy to fight, so I wasn't so overwhelmed with the enemy, and beat it fairly easily in realistic. Give that a try..

Gripweed62 10-27-2009 05:20 PM

I tried in realistic but I fail too... (there were only five attempts yet). If there won't come patch or something that makes it a little bit easier I will give up this game and never buy something from 505 again. :(

Tudorp15 10-27-2009 05:24 PM

just over one battle? Okie Dokie then... Dont take this the wrong way.. But, glad I'm not in a fox hole with you someday...

Gripweed62 10-27-2009 05:29 PM

Well, it's the one one battle that won't let me get further with the game.

Tudorp15 10-27-2009 05:30 PM

After reading that back. that sounded bad.. I didn't mean that as a personal attack. It was said in jest.. The point I was making, is not to give up on an entire game, just over one mission.. Some are harder than others..

Tudorp15 10-27-2009 05:32 PM

There are other battles that are just as difficult. Personally, I am glad it isn't easy... I like the challenge.. It can be done, many of us have, but many of us stayed with it until we got better and better, to finally take that battle, and other ones that kicked our butts for awhile.. Persistence, and time, you get better, and better at figuring out a way and a system to beat them all..

Ancient Seraph 10-27-2009 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gripweed62 (Post 114968)
I tried in realistic but I fail too... (there were only five attempts yet). If there won't come patch or something that makes it a little bit easier I will give up this game and never buy something from 505 again. :(

It's kind of harsh over one mission, although I can understand the frustration if it doesn't work. What's the main problem when you try it on realistic?

beefheart 10-28-2009 03:00 AM

endurance
 
hello there.

I ended all campaigns by the simulation mode last week. The mission that had remained at the end was hornet's nest. The number of enemy's transport aircrafts has decreased compared with the arcade mode. However, it was the same that the difficulty was high as well as the arcade mode.

A necessary thing was only my endurance though I had completed the unlock of all weapons.

I think that a necessary thing is only endurance.

thanks

LostInSpace 10-28-2009 01:42 PM

Gripweed,

Sorry you're having problems with this level. First, up the brightness level in game, this will help you see the transport planes. WEP to the south ASAP (look for the yellow dots) and tell you wing-men to get into formation. Don't bother with any enemy fighters or ground targets. Keep checking your map to make sure you are on an intercept course. Charge them head-on an use your rockets! The transports go down real quick. You'll have to turn around to finish off any stragglers from the group. Don't forget to order your wing-men to engage as well (right thumb-pad). As soon as you finish the first transport, check your map and repeat the above.

Try not to use WEP too much on Sim because you'll burn out your engine. I usually fly my IL-2 at tree top level because the enemy fighters will have a hard time seeing you.

I'm working on finishing the campaign on Sim and it's hard trying to ID ground targets in the snow. I've found that ordering your wing-men to attack can help as well as replaying the level on Arcade to try to memorize where the ground targets are.

Gripweed62 10-28-2009 03:45 PM

OK, let's sort that out. You choose arcade mode. In 'hornet's nest' you fight against waves and waves of planes, there are about 30 of them. You shoot down as much as you can, like 20 or so, and after 8 and a half minutes it says sorry fella, go back to field number one. You try it about 20 times, and then you feel like the one-legged at an ass-kicking-contest and you're close to giving up.
Then you choose realistic mode. You see all in all about 10 to 12 planes. You manage to get down two of them, the rest is taken care of by your comrades. You have about 10 minutes (!) to get there (and in the meantime, on my 6th try, I got it finally too :!:).
What takes me wonder now: Why is this mission in the arcade mode so much harder than in the realistic mode? Is this a mistake or is it intention? And if it's intention what is the meaning of it? I believe there is hardly anyone who managed this mission in arcade mode. I also like to be challenged, but not beyond frustration. That's why I choose the arcade mode.
I am sorry for roughing up things, I just had to loose some steam. ;)

Ancient Seraph 10-28-2009 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Gripweed62 (Post 115402)
OK, let's sort that out. You choose arcade mode. In 'hornet's nest' you fight against waves and waves of planes, there are about 30 of them. You shoot down as much as you can, like 20 or so, and after 8 and a half minutes it says sorry fella, go back to field number one. You try it about 20 times, and then you feel like the one-legged at an ass-kicking-contest and you're close to giving up.
Then you choose realistic mode. You see all in all about 10 to 12 planes. You manage to get down two of them, the rest is taken care of by your comrades. You have about 10 minutes (!) to get there (and in the meantime, on my 6th try, I got it finally too :!:).
What takes me wonder now: Why is this mission in the arcade mode so much harder than in the realistic mode? Is this a mistake or is it intention? And if it's intention what is the meaning of it? I believe there is hardly anyone who managed this mission in arcade mode. I also like to be challenged, but not beyond frustration. That's why I choose the arcade mode.
I am sorry for roughing up things, I just had to loose some steam. ;)

No probs, we understand. As I said before, the difficulty level says more about the flying than the mission difficulty. This concept was overdone a bit in this particular mission.
I think this is what happened: They thought: now let's make a huge dogfight. So they made the objective to kill x planes. They stuck to the concept of 'kill everything in Arcade', and thus this mission was made.


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