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Soviet Ace 09-29-2009 03:14 AM

Am I Biased with planes?
 
I was discussing with Pubestein13, about whether or not I was biased about Soviet aircraft, and I wanted to get all your opinions. When I talk about Soviet planes, do you all think I give your good information? Something for you all to think about, and try when flying the Soviet planes in BoP, or do I shove my information down your throats, and disagree with anyone who says other wise?

Incase some don't know, (Pubestein13) here is a definition of Bias I got from the dictionary.

bias |ˈbīəs|
noun
1 prejudice in favor of or against one thing, person, or group compared with another, usually in a way considered to be unfair : there was evidence of bias against foreign applicants | the bias toward younger people in recruitment | [in sing. ] a systematic bias in favor of the powerful.
• [in sing. ] a concentration on or interest in one particular area or subject : he worked on a variety of Greek topics, with a discernible bias toward philosophy.
• Statistics a systematic distortion of a statistical result due to a factor not allowed for in its derivation.
2 an edge cut obliquely across the grain of a fabric.
3 in some sports, such as lawn bowling, the irregular shape given to a ball.
• the oblique course that such a shape causes a ball to run.
4 Electronics a steady voltage, magnetic field, or other factor applied to an electronic system or device to cause it to operate over a predetermined range.

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx 09-29-2009 03:25 AM

I honestly believe the information you give out is helpful and great, but I do believe you have a "SLIGHT" bias towards the Russian planes... So I can't vote unless you add a "kinda bias" option =P

Soviet Ace 09-29-2009 03:27 AM

But do I shove the information down your throat? I dunno, you tell me :)

xX-SiLeNcE-Xx 09-29-2009 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace (Post 106136)
But do I shove the information down your throat? I dunno, you tell me :)

Nah, you make helpful and informative posts all the time, but I don't see you bashing other planes. But who am I to say :P I haven't been here that long... lol

Soviet Ace 09-29-2009 03:43 AM

LOL, I can already see someone (wonder who?) voted. LOL again for that. And they didn't even bother to post why :( :cool:

beaker126 09-29-2009 04:21 AM

Hey, I voted yes, but is that really a bad thing? We're all biased to some extent. Look at all the posts about fixing the P-51. I think we like what we like, and that's perfectly normal. As for "shoving information down peoples throats" no way man, If you really love something and you see people talking out their arse about it, well, you're gonna speak up, it's human nature. So keep it up, I've found your information to be pretty much spot on, and I for on e enjoy finding out things I didn't know. By the way thanks for answering my question on another thread.:cool:

irrelevant 09-29-2009 04:24 AM

I actually think you're biased, but only by your unwavering love for Soviet aircraft. I've witnessed others try to tell you why they personally feel a different airplane is better and you will leverage your extensive knowledge to try to prove them wrong (or justify your belief that Soviet aircraft are superior).

Frankly, I love that you post here... and the information you share has taught me A LOT. I don't think you should change your ways because I enjoy your passion for these planes (it has also opened my eyes to the strengths of the Soviet designs).

Oh, I didn't vote... I just posted. LOL!

Soviet Ace 09-29-2009 04:27 AM

That is b-e-a-utiful! Just what I wanted to hear ;)

mattmanB182 09-29-2009 05:35 AM

I also think you are biased. But I have no problem with that because so am I about German planes. You are never degrading in any way and always post with respect.

I respect your opinion and tastes. I think its great you have so much love for the soviet planes, because honestly, not many people do.

Your doing a great job at bringing them into the light.

Even though we disagree on some things, I have a lot of respect for you and your opinions.

wannabetheace 09-29-2009 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 106158)
(it has also opened my eyes to the strengths of the Soviet designs).

Yeah, totally agreed,
Actually most people in western or US don't know anything other than spitfire and mustang. So we need to read from different sources to grasp what the truth is

I also biased toward soviet fighters specially Yak-3s and maybe La fighters :cool:

merro 09-29-2009 06:19 AM

I voted yes also, i am biased towards german planes myself, so what?
After reading some of your posts i started using the russian planes more and had some good games with em!
Nothing wrong with being a bit biased.

King Jareth 09-29-2009 07:39 AM

Well the La7 is kick ass in BoP....whats not to be bias about?

Steyr_amr 09-29-2009 07:53 AM

I'm only a new member here but have been guesting the forum for a while, and I think you are biased but it's no bad thing, I never really rated Soviet aircraft of this era (big Sukhoi fan though) but after reading some of your posts thought I'd take a spin in a Yak and actually rather liked it. Probably now my favourite aircraft after the 109F, so thank you for that.

dazz1971 09-29-2009 09:44 AM

i think you shouldnt worry about it mate

i think your post are factual and contaian a lot of usefull info
keep up the good work buddy :)

i voted no

Ancient Seraph 09-29-2009 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irrelevant (Post 106158)
I actually think you're biased, but only by your unwavering love for Soviet aircraft. I've witnessed others try to tell you why they personally feel a different airplane is better and you will leverage your extensive knowledge to try to prove them wrong (or justify your belief that Soviet aircraft are superior).

Frankly, I love that you post here... I don't think you should change your ways because I enjoy your passion for these planes.

+1. Just lay off the more than slight arrogant tone every now and then ;).

FOZ_1983 09-29-2009 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattmanB182 (Post 106162)
I also think you are biased. But I have no problem with that because so am I about hurricane. You are never degrading in any way and always post with respect.

I respect your opinion and tastes. I think its great you have so much love for the soviet planes, because honestly, not many people do.

Your doing a great job at bringing them into the light.

Even though we disagree on some things, I have a lot of respect for you and your opinions.


Pretty much everything quoted i agree with :)

the majority of us are biased towards our chosen aircraft so its all good. It makes no sense to fly something you dont like when clearly something is avaliable that you do like :D

mattd27 09-29-2009 10:38 AM

Well I suppose you naturally have some bias, we all do. But it's not necessarily a bad thing. I've never seen you trying to force your opinions on others. Only providing them with information they can use. I actually favor a lot of soviet planes now with what I've learned!

Bottom Line: I don't think you were ever doing anything wrong, so just keep on posting like normal.

FOZ_1983 09-29-2009 10:40 AM

on a side note though - im not converting to communism ;) if thats what your gonig for next lol.

juz1 09-29-2009 12:09 PM

Am I biased said the man with Soviet in his name.....:rolleyes:









I find your posts very informative...like anything read online I take it with a pinch of salt.

Bias is to be expected...if you sit on the fence too long the skidmarks won't wash...
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MARIJUANA VAPORIZER

Soviet Ace 09-29-2009 01:45 PM

Don't worry, I'm not worried. I just don't want to seem like someone who shoves ill gotten information down your throats, and makes you believe what I say. I'm actually more or equally knowledgeable about Italian fighters/bombers as well. So any questions on them, you can ask me :)

And incase you were wondering, the MC202 does not handle like it should. Thanks for all your replies, and support ;)

FOZ_1983 09-29-2009 01:48 PM

only seen the italian plane used online once.

nobody seems to like it?

Soviet Ace 09-29-2009 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983 (Post 106318)
only seen the italian plane used online once.

nobody seems to like it?

Neither do I. It just seems to roll and spin at every turn. Kinda like that P51. I even turned the sensitivity way down, and it still stalled out and spun!:-x

FOZ_1983 09-29-2009 01:55 PM

amen to that mate!!

beaker126 09-29-2009 02:05 PM

:cool:
Quote:

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983 (Post 106318)
only seen the italian plane used online once.

nobody seems to like it?

It's a bit light in the armament dept. too. And Soviet Ace is right, from what I've read about it it should handle better. Maybe now people will stop saying the devs hate America because of what they did to the Mustang.

John192 09-29-2009 02:42 PM

yes soviet you are biased but from reading your posts you have converted me from the Spitfire to LA5's and Yaks so its all good. Now i am biased towards russian planes too :)

mattmanB182 09-29-2009 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soviet Ace (Post 106320)
Neither do I. It just seems to roll and spin at every turn. Kinda like that P51. I even turned the sensitivity way down, and it still stalled out and spun!:-x

And that lovely MC 202 is powered by a nice DiamlerBenz BF-109 engine. :-P

HauptmannMolders 09-29-2009 04:36 PM

Of course you're biased but who gives a shit? I have learned 90% of my knowledge on Soviet aircraft from you so keep it coming. I do have issues with the way some planes are represented in the game (ME262 is too slow, the fw190 should be more stable, same for the P51 etc etc) but this has nothing to do with you. But yeah I think some Soviet aircraft are a little too good but again I am very biased towards german machines and I don't feel bad about it.

FOZ_1983 09-29-2009 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HauptmannMolders (Post 106390)
Of course you're biased but who gives a shit? I have learned 90% of my knowledge on Soviet aircraft from you so keep it coming. I do have issues with the way some planes are represented in the game (ME262 is too slow, the fw190 should be more stable, same for the P51 etc etc) but this has nothing to do with you. But yeah I think some Soviet aircraft are a little too good but again I am very biased towards german machines and I don't feel bad about it.


Only good in the right hands :D


its the pilot that makes the plane. A good pilot flying a 109 could comfortably take down any of the ruski planes. You know your planes strong points and the enemies weak spots then your already on to a winner :)

Were flying in the era where its the man not the machine. Though.... stay away from the P51 and the FW190 for the time being hahahahaha :-P :o :grin:

Vulcan607 09-29-2009 05:47 PM

In my short time on this forum i have found your posts to be clear to the point informative and helpful. You are obviouly passionate about soviet planes and are very knowledgable on the subject yet do not belittle others who do not as some member do.
This passion in some peoples eyes may come across as bias and forcing it upon people. i would strongly disagree.

HauptmannMolders 09-30-2009 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FOZ_1983 (Post 106391)
Only good in the right hands :D


its the pilot that makes the plane. A good pilot flying a 109 could comfortably take down any of the ruski planes. You know your planes strong points and the enemies weak spots then your already on to a winner :)

Were flying in the era where its the man not the machine. Though.... stay away from the P51 and the FW190 for the time being hahahahaha :-P :o :grin:

I completely agree which is a big reason this era fasinates me! I just feel that there is a slight bias towards the performance of the Soviet aircraft vs reality. Not much, but just a little, I could always be wrong. I came from below and behind on an il2 in a 109F4 the other day in Realistic and pumped a point blank 3-4 second burst right into the heart of the fuselage with visble gun and cannon hits numbering likely in the hundreds and literally nothing happened except a very faint smoke trail, I peeled off and went after something else. To be honest I completely avoid il2's when I see them. Don't get me wrong I like a challenge but this has happened enough that I can't be bothered anymore. One of the worst intances came when I got out turned one whilst piloting a Spit!!! Give me a break.

This is one small part I dont like overall this game is incredible.

Swagger7 09-30-2009 01:06 AM

I don't think you're biased, you just like the Soviet planes more. But I don't think your enthusiasm affects your judgment, ergo no bias!

Benrizz 10-01-2009 03:06 PM

Yes you are Totally Biased even if your advices are valuable ;)

If we listen to you we could think that the LA5-fn could so easily outturn a spit mkIX. And that is my friend totally wrong :!: :-P :!:

The LA5-Fn has a little advantage over the Spit but a tiny one. And That's a Combat proven fact :!: lol lol

However i should admit that is far far easier to get the best from a LA5-fn than a Spit (which could be stubborn donkey without being disrespectful for Spit Fans)

But a Spit in the hand of a good pilot is somewhat equal to a LA5-fn in a turning dogfight and has more fire power

Tentacle19 10-01-2009 04:09 PM

I need to read these posts....


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