Sprain

The CW-21 is not a Daidalos in-house development but was a 3rd Party Project that just missed the deadline for the Pacific Fighters release and then fell through the floor. DT simply picked up the pieces and finished it as we were given the model. Nothing sinister about that.

Since I don't fly coops I don't see much of that.

csThor, thanks for that - as good a response to Sprain's silliness as we could reasonably expect.

Nearmiss - I think the IL-2 online dogfight community probably underestimate how many people enjoy IL-2 in other ways. They tend to be the most vocal, and the most partisan, but they are very much a minority. The continuing sales of IL-2, and the interest of newcomers on the various forums, seem to indicate that there is still a broad base of interest, and relatively few of the noobs will ever fly online - it is actualy a rather hostile environment for the inexperienced.

As for not flying coops, why not? Even if you don't want to make a serious commitment, dropping in on the Ubizoo Saturday coop once or twice might broaden your horizons - we do this for fun, remember.:-D

Sprain,

Crawl back to your cave and stay there.

Personally I fly IL2 purely for the chance to fly Co-ops and I despair of the kiddies who get a kick out of fly-die-fly-die arenas. I would rather fly one 90 minute co-op and park up on the apron at the end alive than fly 9 ten minute deathmatch missions.

As for flying outmoded aircraft; I can see that trying to sink the Tirpitz with a Swordfish is suicidal in a dogfight server that has 10 FW190s hovering over it but when you are flying a Co-op re-enactment of the attack on Taranto then doing it in a low slow outdated biplane just adds to the experience.

As a way of illustration - there is a New Zealand squad that fly coops almost exclusively, in sorties lasting up to an hour* - and they don't even have a presence on Hyperlobby.

That's a way of enjoying the game that I think the 'online dogfighting community' probably never even knew existed.

*Imagine crashing on takeoff on that sortie.......

+1

I have to admit that I am pretty much done with flying on dogfight servers. This game has always been a simulation for me - so I like to simulate flying, and surviving, a sortie.

Think to those Swordfish pilots who attacked the Scharnhorst, Gneisenau and Prinz Eugen during the Channel Dash, all shot down by FW190s... the leading pilot got a Victoria Cross for the action (posthumous)

:)

it all depends on the missionbuilder, dogfight and coop, if such "crap" planes are usefull or not.

.. And some off us love to fly the cr@p plane (in formation and applying team work) against hot pants opponents like Spits, Mustangs, FW190's or 109's on dogfight servers.