They would have a live streaming web cam installed at 1C team HQ ............if they could.


:)

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This thread is for new info from Sukhoi.ru
I have just deleted a few posts that have nothing to do with the subject, and you get a free pass for that, next time the infraction system will kick in for O/T.

Any news on Sukhoi about this upcoming beta?

Nothing new since 08-Mar-2012. The sound of silence.

It is not sound of silence.. sound of vacation. And obviously now it is not friday, don't be exaggerately elastic.:)

during the week this forum is dead, only friday there is somebody here waiting for a patch...

Tamat don't try to mistify us, you are the hottest fanboy of the whole forum :-D

http://mslk.com/reactions/wp-content...ming-mslk1.gif

:grin::grin::grin:

Really is anybody still waiting for patch? :shock:

come on guys relax...:rolleyes:

I love too much the propellors to not be a fan boy..

It'll pick up once it's released. I think every body has had their chance to speak what's on their mind. Once that's done, there's nothing really to say until we get a reason to say something new. We wait, wait, wait. Then when news is posted we rinse, lather, repeat.

Fixed that for ya!

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-b...ver-coming.jpg


And you can also admire my amazing Paint skills! :grin:

:)))

LOL, good one :)

Still makes me chuckle!

I would have "changed" the txt a little. :-P

haha, very funny:-)

looooooollllll
hahahahahaha.....

so true!

:)

Hehehehehe.... :D

Yeah it's not like it's been a year since the game was launched and 5 months since the last patch.

No fresh news from Sukhoi.ru?
OK if we get some let me know.

Unofficial status at 14:45
1) I have no information about the patch
2) I have no instructions to prepare an Friday information update

ok...it`s the usual then! no probs as we are refreshing the pages here!

disapointed, but im used to it.

Thx Black6

Wow, just wow... This damn company leaves me speachless. :-|

Thanks Black Six, that is a shame but if that is the way it is then all one can do is wait.

:cool: Thanks for letting us know, BlackSix. I shall check back next week.

Regards, Sam.

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Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using Tapatalk

+1

If we don't get any information today then I say they do not deserve such a patient and humble community :confused:

:evil:

Thx BlackSix, for letting us know ;)

Thank you BlackSix, I appreciate your communication efforts!

Cheers,
Insuber

No worries, I'm enjoying the sim as is and am happy that it is being worked on, enjoy your weekend :)

I really look forward to the Friday updates, no matter what they are, I really hope the lack of update today is due to lack of new info and not a result of the hardcore trolls on this forum.

As stated above, I still play the game and enjoy much of it as it is, but I am too eagerly awaiting the performance updates we hope to get from the next patch.

Hope to see you back next Friday Blacksix, I need my IL2 update fix :D

Thanks for your help Black6 BUT you must be feeling you're bashing your head against a brickwall same as we are.
NOT GOOD:(

thanks for the heads up..
back to BF3 and BMS for me;)

Thanks for the update :-)

Still continue playing with consumers. The money is already within the pockets ...

Not sure why people keep saying things like that. Surely they want people to buy BoM? If so then there is no value for them in messing people around, they want continued custom, not the one off purchase of CoD.

That said if there is nothing to report, an update saying "we are still working on the patch, no ETA as of yet, thanks for the patience" wouldn't go amiss, but I can almost understand why they dont update after looking through responses to the WIP screenshots etc.

for the moment all friday update was unusefull thing... why not go on?

it is sas to see that they make a step forward in com with fryday update and two step behind after one week of hollidays.

but i still hope for a friday update .....

no yellow tree to show? are they find an issue about yellow color? :rolleyes:

This is all starting to remind me of a bad Monty Python sketch. ;)
http://barrykade.files.wordpress.com...completely.jpg

Agreed, theres some really hard trolls set in stone roaming atm, I look forward to the next juicy patch but don't gripe about it

Guys, come on, don't you follow the news? Putin "won" elections 12 days ago. No free speech and no free economy in Russia again.

Oleg developed original Il-2 in a free country and that made a difference.
Corruption Perceptions index: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrupt...ceptions_Index
143 Comoros 2.4 2.1 2.5 2.6
143 Mauritania 2.4 2.3 2.8 2.6 3.1
143 Nigeria 2.4 2.4 2.7 2.2 2.2 1.9 1.6 1.4 1.6
143 Russia 2.4 2.1 2.1 2.1 2.5 2.4 2.8 2.7 2.7
143 Timor-Leste 2.4 2.5 2.2 2.6 2.6
143 Togo 2.4 2.4 2.7 2.3 2.4
143 Uganda 2.4 2.5 2.6 2.8 2.7 2.5 2.6 2.2 2.1

How do you think corruption influences business?

I have no idea how it affects business apart from a broad-based knowledge that it cannot be good for it. But I have to admit I had a good chuckle at one report of the election. Here's an extract describing one polling station result:

"The final tally: Putin, 1,482 votes; Gennady A. Zyuganov, the Communist Party leader, one vote.

This result was in itself statistically improbable. But even more difficult...to explain was the turnout: there were only 1,389 people registered in the precinct, meaning that the turnout was 107 percent."

I would love to discuss politics, but I'm not convinced this is the place to do it.

About the election results should have any influence on our Sim in the future, or any patch I can not predict. But I hope that the Russian people will be led in a way, with positive actions that benefit them all and all others in the rest of the world.

Anyway they changed their mind about Friday updates only recently, if we look at a Sukhoi message of few days ago:

>>>B6: Plans for this work week (12.03-16.03):
1) engaged in the transfer of all incoming offers of assistance and cooperation 2) generate a list of number 4 of your wishes and requests - done 3) generate a list of number 4 with your questions - ongoing 4) prepare regular Friday update - ongoing.<<<<

It looks to me that B6 is really p***-off and needs some more rest.

Dear BlackSix - I refer to your post in the locked thread, where you complain about the users negativity and you link this to the absence of a Friday update.
As an experienced manager in the services business let me give you a very friendly advice: closing the communication channels with your customers will not improve a tough situation, on the contrary it will worsen it. I already see - in this very forum - some long-time, faithful and disciplined users turn into angry terrorists. And your company needs prophets and apostles, not terrorists spreading negativity about your product. The success of Il2 Sturmovik was very much due to this "word of mouth" positive publicity. As I see it now you are setting up the stage for a completely opposite result: angry ex-customers telling to their friends to keep away from this product. And I I BELIEVE THAT MG DOESN'T DESERVE IT, BECAUSE OF THE HUNDRED THOUSAND HOURS OF DEDICATED AND PASSIONATE WORK which went into CloD.

In the customer-supplier relationship you have only one option: tell the customer the bad and the good news. Silemce is never a solution.

Cheers,
Insuber

I have understood in what a problem. I needed to explain it more in detail. Also, I'm sorry for my bad English.

Friday's update was in two parts earlier. This is the information about progress of work on a patch and information about the sequel.
I am against the publication of screenshots and information about the sequel in the near future. Too many negative reviews. Much more than positive. This is understandable. You expect us to fix CloD in the first place.

By 16 March, we did not prepare anything about the sequel. Also, I have not received information about patch. Friday's update was not.
I think that in the current situation we need to make a patch and give it to you and then continue to talk about the sequel. Ilya will solve this, not me.
Now I do not know about the update on March 23. The situation could happen again. All I can tell you now - the work continues.

You are a good man. Working for us on Saturday, thank you! And your English is OK.

Wow! Thanks B6, that cleared up a lot of things. Yet again it's all been misunderstandings. You had no news about the patch so no need to say anything, that is ok. You don't want to show anything from the sequel before CloD is fixed, that is also ok and classy IMO. Have I understood it correctly? Thanks again for clearing things up B6, a lot of misunderstandings can lead to unnecessary animosity. Keep up the good job!:grin:

Its a shame, I enjoied very much the updates for the sequel.
As always a loud vocal trolling minority **** on the silent mature majority`s garden.

Thanks B6 for the straightforward response. Your English is fine; much, much better than my Russian.

I share Insuber's thoughts (great post).

Blacksix, than you for the the explanation. I prefer this version over the other, and I am convinced that is the truth.

S!

Really interesting! B6 you are always welcomed here!

Thanks for your effort! ;)

Well then I suggest BlackSix keeps to CoD updates and patch news in these 'CoD' threads.

If he or Luthier feel they have anything to say about the sequel they could use a 'Sequel' thread. Perhaps that would avoid people creating a conflict between the two separate issues.

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As servers like Replka and ATAG can attest, many people are working around the issues with the current game and are having a great time using COD. Patches will come when they come, we can't hurry them up. I feel that it should be an an internal process of the development team to decide what is in the patches (and updates for that matter) and that it is their right as the artists that they are to do so.

I want to see whats happening over the horizon and I feel that the future direction of the sim is very important to the community. I feel that the BOM updates show a long term commitment to the series by the developers. This is really important from my point of view.

Thanks Black Six for your update and for the enthusiasm and effort that you and the development team are putting into the Il2 series.

My silence isn't a sign of 1C aproval.

I'm just tired. One year and we don't have a good graphic engine - major part of ANY good sim engine.

I'm just waiting for the "beta" patch with some NOTICEABLE graphics development.

I'm not happy.

Same here, the sim is awesome, but the ctd, airplane vanishing, AA, hurricanes outperforming 109's, has me very sad at the moment, hope the patch comes soon so we can get back to loving our sim again.

well like i see... the beta patch is still not for soon......

well.... if this patch is so long to come i hope the next ones will come quicker or then we will not have a good finished sims before ten years.

i understand devs take time to get a good patch but if this patch is not a solution for all technics problem. (i don't even speak about fm or dm...just the crash issue, fps etc...) then they won't have anybody more to convince... and their sequel will just be work done for nothing.

and if this patch is still long to coming out i' affraid that even fanboy of COD like me will be tired to wait for it .


i'm really sad because i love COD but for now and since 6 month it is unplayable for me because a crash to windows after 30mn. and for me it is absolutely impossible to make a good coop fly in 30 mn.

This is not a minor patch; they are recoding the foundations of the sim. Time is not an issue, communication is.

Cheers,
Insuber

Creating a separate thread/section or forum will only be possible after the announcement. Before this event, we will give information about the sequel here (I don't know when the announcement will happen).

S!

Any info is appreciated even it might look that the forum is full of raving lunatics :-P

+1 :)

Good to know, thx again & Greetz from Berlin

yes...but where is communication here?

What more do you need to hear besides what they have told us? They are not going to give guesstimates, it only feeds the trolls.

Hi black 6. Thanks for keeping us up to date. But most of us are simply wanting news about the patch. We are not really interested in BoM. Many of us are actually quite angry that all we seem to be getting is news about the sequel, when the original game is still broken.

I'm pretty sure that all updates about sequel came with news about the patch, weather it's what you wanted to hear or not is alot different than saying they told you nothing, they are working on the patch and nothing to do with Bom is interfering with the patch.

Thanks for the info. Please keep it coming!

I thought that it will be interesting to you to know news about the sequel and asked the chief of information at all times. I was mistaken. Everybody is interested in CloD in the first place. However, if I don't have news on the progress of work on CloD now, you'll have empty Friday, as on March 16.

Cna you ask Luthier to make a post himself about CLOD? im sure people would welcome it.

We know you are trying your best Black6 and nobody here including myself blames you.

Keep going.

Of course, but you do understand how it could very easily be seen as trying to pull a snow job on those of us disturbed about CoD don't you? Dangle the shiny new object in front of us while the product we have is kaput.

Personally I'm happy to see the updates on anything, as its what we all wanted before you came about here as the community manager. No sense in being angry about what we asked for. I only hope for more information pertinent to the repair of our defective product.

Many thanks.

Yes, I'm asking. But Luthier can not give me the information is always, in every situation.

I understand. But we did not want such a reaction. I'm sorry that all this happened.

No need to apologize, you do a good job, and its a thankless job to boot.
Hope you get paid a lot!

Blacksix, we just want to know if CLOD's problems will be fixed, even if the answer is good or bad... if we know that then updates about BOM will be more welcome.

Please ask Luthier to look at my 10 questions again and think about answering them, it would help the feeling around here alot.

Again thanks for trying, your doing a good job in a tough place.

cheers.

Forums occupy 10-15% of my time. My main work - the design of missions and historical research.

The sequel is developed on the same engine as CloD. We can't release sequel until it will repair the engine.

We are not ready to announce now that will go into the final version of the patch. Sorry.

Ok understand about the patch, but do you know if the fixes are not in this final patch, will there be more patches to fix the problems with CLOD before BOM.

Thanks again for the information and reply's.

It's to be expected. You're dealing with people who are disappointed. Many of us see the release of BoM previews as a confirmation of the continued work on CoD and the longevity of this series. Others are insulted and think that the work on CoD has been foregone to work on BoM without the CoD issues fixed. I see both sides of the coin.

I personally think showing BoM previews was a good thing. I don't feel work on CoD has been abandoned and I don't feel hood winked by 1C.

I DO think 1C is smart enough to realize that if basic functionality isn't fixed for CoD, that future sales of BoM will.... well.... BOMB. To me it's pretty simple and there's no need for the charade of agony displayed by us members.

furbs. These questions are important, but they are really moot. 1C's future success resides with BoM. BoM's success resides with how well CoD is fixed. I don't think any of us are going to settle for things like insuficient RAM at game shows as to why the game doesn't run well. None of us are going to accept place holders for sounds like we did back last January. Cute little videos of Luthier playing "I dropped a Bomb on You" with nothing in his visual vacinity will not fool the community. I believe most of us will examine BoM closely and base our future purchase on how well CoD is optimized and made playable. This has to happen before BoM is released to the public. We're going to want a stable game... NOT PROOF af a stable game through video or updates, but to OWN a stable working CoD in each of our hard drives. I know my future purchase lays with that logic and performance by 1c. So, in essence (to me) your questions don't matter (at least not knowing doesn't bother me). And being that 1Cs future success resides with BoM, it is logical to me that the things you question are being worked on by the development team.


And seriously? Can you imagine the uproar if 1C said that things won't be fixed or gave bad news? The proof will be in the pudding. Not updates and answered questions.

@Blacksix
Maybe you could help me (missionbuilding), i try to assemble an industrial building i put the 4 parts together and if i try to save i get a error message
'Building "Bld_0" has unlinked hooks' so what are these hooks? And how to get them to work. Or is it not possible at the moment.

Now this is impossible, it is our fault. The only option - try to put on a completely flat surface. But I can not promise it will work.

Ah ok thanks, so i will not longer try it ;)

I'm curious. Does that mean you'll be responsible primarily for the single missions, online mission templates etc for the new release? What is your view on what a makes a good mission? How far into the details do you go when researching and building? :)

(not to you personally, Furbs, but to your statement, which many have in mind...)

Do you realise why things take time? its because of fixing problems. WIll the problems be fix? It depends on developing the fixes... which goes back to the question of why do things take time.

DO you see what's happening? You're hassling for information you know is difficult to answer... why? (answer) because things take time.

Now there's no need to go getting on the firey steed and running amok, cutlass in hand, taking heads... things do not happen instantly (to the chagrin of many, be sure) they take time and will take as long as necessary.

There's no point in hassling, harrassing, threatening and blackmailing... things will be ready WHENthey're ready and not before, be sure.

Equally, I'm sure, there is limited response from the developers... well, for one, because of the utterly inane mindset (problem kiddies, not getting their way for example) or (minute by minute, line by line update info demands) some have here.

What do peop[le want each and every Friday? YESsss, the patch is being worked on and YESsss its coming together? oops, one fix has lead to another problem revealed, so more testing and writing? Friday after Friday after Friday. What the &$^#%!$ else would you really expect to get on patch progression updates? oh, hang on... I know - the patch is ready for public testing (only for people to again carry on like Attilla the Hun in forward charge, sword swinging) but that bit won't happen until its ready... FOR PUBLIC TESTING

For crying out loud... get off their backs, let them get on with and (importantly) treat them with the same respect you demand they show you !


/rant

Thank you for your posts Blacksix.

Yes, I'll have to do missions in sequel.

A good mission is this: a detailed study of the historical time period required, a detailed mapping of the front line and the deployment of troops, the living world around the player (he must see events not related to his job), testing and selection of the balance.

It is easy to show by examples, but my campaign were published in Russia only.
http://games.1c.ru/il2_roads_of_war/
http://games.1c.ru/warroads2/
http://games.1c.ru/chuzoe_nebo/
You could only see my work "VVS'46" in IL-2:1946, but this is a hypothetical scenario of the war. Bad example, but there you can see details of airfields and ground war to the requirements of 2006.

In MG I work in the fall of 2003, but I did the mission on other people's scripts for the AEP and PF. For versions 4.05 and 4.06, I only supervised over creation of campaigns. It was a strange situation, I do not know why Oleg Maddox has chosen this way

I try to search the most detailed information and recheck everything. It's a long story...

You have both a difficult and I imagine a rewarding job to do, keep up your good work. :grin:

Looks like you're similar to me - only that I lose patience and drive quickly if things don't go the way I want them to go (which is why I never made a campaign). I'm having very high standards for missions - seeing a wrong aircraft type in a unit is enough to make my tonails curl. I'm similarly pedantic when it comes to ground composition and layout ...

What I had hoped for in the new engine is the ability to string longer colums together, say twenty to thirty vehicles of various types, be able to set their travelling speed as to coordinate this column with others (so that you can have a tank company intermingled with a motorized artillery battery and a battalion of motorized or mechanized infantry etc). I like lively environments, small scale engagements for some nameless village or strongpoint, moving supply columns in the back, artillery fire etc. All of that was a real pain in the rear to coordinate in 1946 so I had hoped the new engine would bring advances for the mission builder but those hopes have not been fulfilled (yet?). ;)

I think it was very unfortunate that this view took hold. Personally I was pleased to see news about the sequel. The problem was that it didn't have to be an 'either/or' situation - the discontent arose because of the repeated lack of comment on the patch and future plans for COD despite numerous requests.

If they'd have been responded to earlier there wouldn't have been any oxygen for the 'they're trying to distract us' fire to grow.

It's really unfortunate. I believe the news about the sequel was given for very genuine reasons. But in the current situation it couldn't compensate for what seemed to be a needless lack of openness about the current game.

I really don't want to comment on all this any more, but some people are still misrepresenting the views of people like myself as being about either demanding the patch NOW, or about being told when the patch will be released. That isn't the case. Most of us recognise the difficulties in finalising the patch for release and the danger in promising a release date.

Instead, what has been requested (repeatedly!) is news about development progress in the areas of: FM, AI, comms, DX11, etc, etc. This could be given in the context of a 'looking forwards in 2012' piece written by Luthier giving the view forward as he sees it now (along the lines of what has been done for ROF by Jason see:

http://riseofflight.com/Blogs/post/2...lans-2012.aspx )

This could cover the envisaged sequence for how the features will be implemented after the graphics engine rewrite is completed, and could include plans for tree collision detection, use of the various crew animations, etc.

Blacksix, I hope that with this example you may have a better idea of what would please some of us to see here on the forum.

I recognise that any decision on this would have to come from Luthier. Thanks for your patience and your attempts to keep us informed. They are appreciated.

Blacksix,

if Luthier doesn't want to give you information about the patch, why don't you tell him to come here and post it by himself.
IF the team is working on the patch, you/Luthier can't pretend there's nothing to tell about it. That's just nonsense.
2 (or was it even 3) weeks ago you told us about a "last-minute issue" taking probably 2 more days to solve. Now it's 2 or 3 weeks? And there's nothing to tell? :rolleyes:

February 17 we were told honestly:
"Graphics-wise, we’re dealing with a last-minute issue as we speak. We rather unexpectedly found a problem with our aircraft decals, i.e. the code that places crosses and roundels and chevrons etc on top of the aircraft paintscheme. The code is being rewritten, the work should be finished in about 2 days."

Then began the new problems and changes in the timing of release. We can promise something now, but the situation again. I don't see in it sense.

No worries BlackSix, it's ready when it's ready as far as I am concerned, I don't need somebody to hold my hand and whisper repeatedly in my ear for the understanding that it's being worked on to become apparent.

Thanks for all you do!;)

Blacksix,

There are many like me that don't feel negative about the current situation and really appreciated the BoM material you posted. Please don't put too much weight on comments from a vocal minority.

I know that good things can take time to develop, especially in a product this complex. Thanks also for taking the time to compile and pass on the feedback we posted.

Keep smiling.....

Really? "vocal minority"? are you sure?
:rolleyes:

You can say that cause it's not your money depending on this "vocal minority" (as you call the majority)