Don't mix graphics sub-system with game-engine, please.

Bingo!

Nope, what he means is that the 3D models are designed using programs such as 3D Studio Max and the resulting 3D mesh is often exported in a common format which can be used by many game engines with little extra work.

Come on then give us a nice surprise today!
 

:)Beta patch release!!!

when ever this thing will be released. i hope some few days before the team is going in russian wintervacation (russian Xmas is 7.1.2012) or after it. Imagine something unexpected will going totaly wrong in the patch......

Are we going to have to pay again to get this sim fixed?
 

If I read this reply from Luthier correctly it sounds like the improvements to the graphics engine and any future add ons will only come with the talked about sequel. Just re-reading one of his old posts doesn't sound encouraging, and now they are saying that there won't be any patches till just prior to the sequel being released.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthier
We’ll work along the model similar to the old Il-2. There’s a single progression line from version to version dotted by sequels. For example, we never released a patch for Forgotten Battles that contained new code from Pacific Fighters. The way to get it was to buy PF and merge it into FB. That’s exactly how it will be with CoD.

And now this Quote: -



We are trying to pull off a very difficult balancing act with developing a new game and supporting an old one at the same time. Pretty much no one does that. Most large developers simply release games, support them for a month at the most, and then switch to new paid content regardless of the state of the game. We are however trying not only to patch up major issues, we're working on improving things that generally work - and we're doing that for free seven months after release. We are doing that by trying to parallel tasks as much as possible and improving CoD while developing a sequel.

That is however simply not possible with some features. In some cases that's a question of limited resources. We cannot make a new flyable for CoD because that means one less flyable for the sequel. With other tasks it's simply a matter of time. Some of the changes we're making are so sweeping, they're scheduled to be completed very close to the sequel's ship date. The animation for example is such a huge task with so many facets that we can't just take it, turn it into a half a gig patch, and release it for CoD a month before the release of the sequel.

Just like we paid for the orginal IL-2.. see sig

Yes, you will pay again and again and again and so on, for every core update.

Post from Luthier in the latest update

"Hey folks,

I see that these answers led some folks here, and most of the folks on my favorite sukhoi.ru, to read between the lines and see my answers to specific questions as indications of larger-scale abandonment of the project.

That's not the case at all.

I answered specific questions and didn't touch on the larger effort. It remains the same. Sped up graphics, launcher errors, improved FM, etc, all of that is in progress as previously stated.

We are trying to pull off a very difficult balancing act with developing a new game and supporting an old one at the same time. Pretty much no one does that. Most large developers simply release games, support them for a month at the most, and then switch to new paid content regardless of the state of the game. We are however trying not only to patch up major issues, we're working on improving things that generally work - and we're doing that for free seven months after release. We are doing that by trying to parallel tasks as much as possible and improving CoD while developing a sequel.

That is however simply not possible with some features. In some cases that's a question of limited resources. We cannot make a new flyable for CoD because that means one less flyable for the sequel. With other tasks it's simply a matter of time. Some of the changes we're making are so sweeping, they're scheduled to be completed very close to the sequel's ship date. The animation for example is such a huge task with so many facets that we can't just take it, turn it into a half a gig patch, and release it for CoD a month before the release of the sequel.

And to make sure to drive my main point across. We are still working on improving CoD. No one's abandoned it. There will be patches. My answers about things in the sequel were meant for those specific features. Please don't try to read between the lines! "

thanks Chivas was going to look for what you posted



Luthier - And to make sure to drive my main point across. We are still working on improving CoD. No one's abandoned it. There will be patches. My answers about things in the sequel were meant for those specific features. Please don't try to read between the lines!


Well since complaints get multiple posted might as well multi post something that makes sense. . .

If you read my post chivas nowhere do I suggest that they are abandoning COD and the last two paragraphs of my post were taken from Luthiers post that you Quote. He is also stating that the replys from him were on specific questions put to him with regards to extras for COD. If you also read the first "Quote" Luthier states that any improvements will come with the sequels as in PF and 46 where improvements to graphics etc will come as part of the paid for sequels. This if he is telling us the truth and says that the patch won't be released prior to the release of the sequel, then let him explain in more detail when the patch to correct the failures of the current release will come. Will it be as a free patch? or will it be part of the sequel to be merged with COD as in Il2 PF and 46 (which will mean we pay again to fix their problem) as suggested in his first quote.

I don't think it could be any more clear, business as usual. I'm sure these features were promised as capabilities of their engine which when sorted, will be included little by little, key improvements coming in next free patch, with alot of cool stuff coming in the next sequel, it's really very exciting, I'm looking forward to it

It makes sense that all COD patches will be free. These patches will include the graphic engine improvements, sound, AI, FM , DM etc. Major new features like Dynamic Weather, will only come with the sequels. Some aspects of new weather will probably be seen in the first sequel, but I highly doubt we will see full Dynamic Weather for sometime atleast until the game engine is highly optimized and the weather highly optimized to allow playable frame rates.

This one is a bit of a hot potato.. I have to say that I will be buying EVERY addon and installment, I like the game that much, even for its flaws I want to see it do well and grow!

No, they will work for free for you like slaves for the rest of their miserables lives.

...Either way they dissapointed me... the least to say by not releasing anything this Christmas and NO, I will not pay again to have this game fixed!:(

Hi guys you're of course welcome to voice your opinions and feelings but please be 'mindful' what you say. Posts are being heavily moderated and you may find your posts deleted if they come even close to going over the line and worst case whole threads being locked or deleted and even possibly earning yourself a ban for 24hrs. Constructive comment and criticism is always welcome as long as it doesn't descend to personal attacks, false statements and wildly inaccurate speculation. This thread will be closely watched as it is the type that brings the worst out in people and it will be locked if it degrades. You have been warned!

On another note...
Merry Christmas all! This simulation is well on its way to becoming what we all want it to be, and I was one that wasn't very happy with performance from day one, but it is night and day now compared to 9 months ago and the new engine will address the remaining performance issues.

It is what it is as far as the past goes but they have shown they are committed to the series and it's only logical that some features come out in later versions. That is the way this series evolved from Sturmovik to 1946 and Luthier has made it clear this generation of IL2 will be no different.

The beta patch will come out when it's ready. The nature of software development with a major engine rewrite is that things can come up that ruin the best of plans. Once the major rewrite is complete, it is likely it will be easier to release betas in a predictable manner. Please be patient and keep the faith.

People need to move on and stop dragging up the past. We will get the new engine along with other fixes without buying the sequel. Some features will only be available in the sequel and that is no different than the old series. The GOOD thing is, the new "theatre" features and upgrades are available for earlier theatres of operation.

Please excuse typos sent from my iPad!

I don't have a problem with paying for a sequel while the funds from that help to keep the WHOLE PROJECT financially viable.

I think that CoD has loads of amazing things in it - the awesome cockpits etc. Sure it needs some tweaks, but CoD & its sequels don't get created on pure 'love' - they need cash.

Provided it keeps moving in the right direction (which I am confident it will) I will continue to contribute!

If I look back at IL-2 and divide the aggregate cost of Il-2; Forgotten Battles; Pacific Fighters; and 1946, by the number of hours of excitement/pleasure that I got out of that series, it was damn cheap entertainment!!!

Try to look at it that way - CoD is not a FPS etc that aims at the large and lucrative young mass-market - flight simmers are a limited market and if it means "feeding the light meter" along the way, I'm more than happy to do that.

Happy Christmas to all of you out there!

I am a bit dissapointed this Christmas...

#1. My Christmas present (to myself) a Thrustmaster Warthog was half a success: I kept the Warthog Throttle but stored the Warthog Stick quickly away and brought back my loyal MS SW2FFB. It is suicidal for my wrists' tendons to use this stick to fly a WWII plane with no automatic trim.

#2. NV decided not to introduce the next generation of graphics cards for Christmas :(
I am waiting for the next generation and for the generation after that in order to be able to play this game with full resulution and full graphics.

#3. No beta patch for Xmas present :-( Oh well, life is like that...


At least the great news was the special offer, CoD for USD9.99 which is great!


I have managed to play a reasonable time online at the REPKA and ATAG servers and it has been amazing fun. I have managed to make a reasonable amoun of air-, ground- and sea-kills, too.
Of course I fly at lower settings than I would like to (but I blame NVIDIA for this) but it is still 70fps, memory leak is not a problem and the immersion of this game is so big that I have not touched my IL2FB versions ever since!

So for me, the game is great! Period!

And I paid only once (actually twice - I bought two) and I am grateful to the ATAGs' and REPKAs' who put all the money and hw so that I can play for free.

Just as a reminder, the World of Warcraft and some other similar communities have between 10 - 17 million players (repeat: ten to seventeen million players) who pay subscriptions of USD 10.00 per month (repeat: ten dollars per month) to play online!

So,
- I am grateful that 1C created a WWII game of this excellence (because I do not like World of Warcraft and similar games).
- I am grateful that I do not have to pay every month.
- I would pay for the next and, after next and, after after next version of the game if 1C keep developing the game of my taste.
- I will spend thousands of dollars in order to get the necessary hardware to play my game (so the cost for the game is peanuts compared to the money I spend for my gear so why the hell do I have to feel bitter about it????).

Of course I will buy any better WWII simulation on the market. But, hold on, there is no other WWII simulation out in the market... ;-)

unless if you want to play against Chuck Norris...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=FOaGhE_sejI

So relax all and Merry Xmas!

my 2 cents
~S~

Devs should have microtransactions like ROF, you make the graphic engine and then sell the planes, scenarios, etc

I prefer the IL-2 way of just making a 'theater' expansion rather than selling everything 'piecemeal'.

I do not have a problem with this. If you dont want to move on and pay for the sequel -fine so be it. After Oleg left and the Sim was forced out by the those with the money, it was a mess. But I think they have done a lot to improve and finetune the game. No its not there yet, where its done, but with small staps we are getting closer every patch. But I belive they will make it at least stabile before the the sequel and the major changes and improvements / fixes will come with it.

Whatever you and me like it or not, they have to make money for a compani and themself. And thats why it is in the sequel you will see the huge changes.

Personally, I look forward to and buy the sequel, I will not complain all the time but give developers some credit for what they have already achieved. Constructive kretik often leads to positive changes in how to cry only leads to a negative atmosphere. What about you?

Merry Christmas to everybody

here, you'll want this with your wine

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/...500_AA300_.jpg

grathos, good post

jesus no. i like RoF but doing this would mean that having online scenarios with unusual plane sets would be a rare occurence, as few would buy it an you'd have to have the common planes (spits or 109s) on every single god damn map. and if they did the field mod thing (for factory fitted things like the bloody aldis on the SE5a)... i would be livid.

But the ROF system is very solid, they only have to sell 2 planes for players every year, to continue the support!!!

I love Rise of Flight and I have bought all the planes, but I think that type of business model sucks … I would rather pay for a theater expansion than pay for everything piecemeal. I’m glad I only paid 12.50 for COD, after about 3 hours I removed it from my hard drive, lets hope they get there $hit together with the sequel, I was looking forward to COD for such a long time ... it was a real disappointment.

Looking forward to the sequel; please don’t release it before its ready.

Thats why is better the model bussines of ROF, they have the resources to improve the game, Luthier team does not have the resources, thats why the sim is poorly finished.

I dislike the model business, but it is much effective and I love the simulator in special WW2 and I dont want my IL-2 die some day.

rotfl!

as long as they fix the flight models that were bungled do to political correctness the first time around... (bungled is being kind..) they get a great Kudos' for what they got right...
...................... long list of laundry for 10 years..

Don't talk yourself into a mindset. It will just mess up your thinking.

IL2 was very playable online and we had a constant barrage of patches.

IL2 had issues that did not resolve until Forgotten Battles released.

So yeah, we did have a paid sequel "all inclusive" addon that made everything right.

Funny, I thought they've been paid for a product but haven't delivered it. We've got something, but it isn't what we paid for. The sense of betrayal is still there.

When they do deliver they'll get the plaudits they deserve. It'll be interesting to see what those plaudits are. Like others I'm hoping we'll be singing their praises.

Here's to a progressive new year.

This is a sane post, hear! hear!

"A sane person to an insane society must appear insane" - Kurt Vonnegut

works both ways imho! ;)

Come on guys play nice. There is absolutely no need for those one line provoking posts. This Thread is done! As I stated before, no one is forcing you to buy the yet unannounced sequel and you will get the new engine and patches for Cliffs of Dover when the major rewrite is ready without having to pay a cent! How clear does this have to be made for you to get that this sim is being supported and patched, its not being abandoned! Merry Christmas.

A Pacific Scenaio That Would Be Feasable.
 

The Battle for New Guinea.

1. It's an all Army show, so no NG worries.

2. It's never been properly addressed in a sim.

3. It was a campaign that lasted well over 2 years and saw some of the most grueling battles, both in the air and on the ground of the entire Pacific War. It was also the battle that decimated the heart of the Imperial Japanese Army Flying Corps.

4. It would have fairly limited planes sets, which would make modeling an easier task.

5. Lots of action for fighter jocks and ground pounders alike.

Possibly, but North Africa has never been done to a high standard either has it??

Oh, I agree kristorf. And I hope that we go to the Med before the Pacific.

I was just showing that a Pacific Theatre expansion was not out of the question, though most think that the Pacific was only about carriers and blue painted aircraft. They are wrong of course.

The campaign in New Guinea was the most trying aerial campaign in the entire Pacific area, for both sides. Unlike a carrier action, the New Guinea Campaign went on for years, not days.

:cool:

agree with both theatres. i have no interest in the moscow thang !.

give me corsairs, dauntless, zero's, kamikaze's, Carriers & "islands" (imagine the performance of the sim simply with islands.)

sim heaven for me.

Ali Fish, the New Guinea campaign had almost no naval involvement.

It's the beauty of it, because we won't have to worry about the Northrop-Grumman problem.

It's the only way I can see Maddox Games ever returning to the Pacific area. China would work, except for the political issue of the Reds not allowing the Nationalist markings on AVG and CAF aircraft.

I think you may be on to something:grin:

Yup, i will take the Eastern Front followed by North Africa, over the Pacific any day of the week!

Craig

Couldn't agree more mate. Flying the old IL2 series made me research the Eastern front in depth, and I couldn't believe how dismissive of the importance of it my historical upbringing had been. No doubt down to cold war suppression of the facts.:evil:

Not really from a VVS perspective, other than a 'VVS Fighter Aces of WWII' type book, but a good read generally is 'A Writer at War' from actual notes made at the time by war correspondent for Krasnya Zvezda, Vasily Grossman.

Superb book. Most of my other research was online via links from good ole wiki.;)

WHat you guys need is this:

http://www.amazon.com/Black-Cross-Re.../dp/0935553487

First volume got a bit expensive. Still the best book series on the airwar over the eastern front available.

It's a great suggestion. New Guinea is a very interesting area and I was disappointed to not have it when Pacific Fighters shipped. Yeah we have the initial Port Moresby area covered but the majority of the fighting happened further to the north west.

North Africa is also high on my list.

And... you know the battles in China and Burma were very interesting and hardly ever covered although I suspect political interference would probably kill any official expansion into this realm.

The Pacific would be nice, and in the same vein as what Europe proposes to be, with packs released covering the major battles/ fronts in order of historical development.

One thing i really miss with CoD is the planesets from the pacific. The difference in tactics required is stark in the midwar years- the USA planes are heavily armoured and dive like banshees, but the Japanese planes are nimble and pack a killer punch.
I really enjoyed the online battles regularly swapping sides and adopting the different tactics required. With any luck the CoD series will move into the pacific theatre to give us that opportunity again (i notice the list of key commands includes things like arrestor hooks and seat height adjustment, so that's a good sign).

hey guys!can you please enlighten me and tell me what the Northrop-Grumman problem is?

Read this:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27537

thx for the link!interesting and disappointing at the same time.never heard of it before.

One of the war stories from New Guinea was recently published, and may be a good read. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/lost...off/1100151860

im more interested in a coral sea/ midway battle ( i cnat remenber the name of the maps

but the planese would be about 4 - 5 planes long, 2 or 3 carriers would be needed, minimum map effort ( its all water plus a few island), and lots of fighting.

plus is the only pacific scenario ive played in 1946 that wasnt a massacre for the japanese.

After Midway, the rest of war was a massacre for the Japanese Air Forces. ;)

+ 1 for New Guinea theater.

BTW - Excerpts from Black Cross/Red Star (Ostfront) books: http://www.bergstrombooks.elknet.pl/...l3excerpt3.htm

Sokol1

New Sequel : when would it be released
 

Hi

Do we have any information about a rough schedule ?

Thanks,

J-F

Nope...

Fact: No idea:(
Speculation/guess-timation: Probably before summer 2012:)

Now that you know the history, the really sad thing is that there didn't need to be a problem. Everyone else would just tell NG, "These are aircraft were built 70 years ago with taxpayer money, go screw yourself" and things were ok. 1942 PAW, Pacific Strike, etc. were all chock full of NG aircraft. It's just that UBI threw Oleg under the bus.

When its finished... Before summer 2012 would be nice, hopefully we'll have recieved a few beefy game tweaks before then and possible a few aircraft dlc for CLOD

From when I asked BlackSix about a release date:

Oh well, the initial release was just short of a decade late, so if we're lucky, this might be out for Christmas in 2016 maybe? Won't surprise me.

Get this one sorted before thinking of the next one me thinks........:confused:

quite hard if you are running out of money

Sometime in the next 5 years if they remain true to their roots.
But from me they get no cent anymore, so I do not care if or when this sequel appears. They fool me once but not twice:evil:

Well that would be nice for a change now wouldn't it?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaa

Yeah, my gut feeling is telling me that the first release of CloD is being slowly put to rest, and that we paid for a game that never got fixed/lived up to the promised features. Then we are expected to pay for the sequel... Which I'll probably end up buying anyways because I want to support 1C, but I can totally understand that this pisses off a whole bunch of already frustrated and angry customers.

BoM is all a conspiracy.

the release date of the sequel?! wait that COD be no more a beta version!

I don't know what the rest will do regarding the sequel but I won't spend any more money in any expansion to the game unless I'm sure what I'd be getting is a truly finished product.

I won't pre-order as I did for CoD or anything like that this time ( I got collector's edition btw). I'll wait to see what's the general opinion about the new release before I invest more money towards this. In other words, give me a finished product and I'll buy it, give me not and 1C won't have my money just to maintain development, sorry but that's being a joke already with CoD and the only thing I know is I paid for something I cannot even fully use as would be expected, I'm sorry.

I cannot believe 1C can be even thinking of releasing a sequel before fixing CoD properly first; no working SLI, no working AI, serious performance problems and a long etcetera ... that's far from serious IMHO, but well that's life.

1C, if you plan to do the same as you did with CoD, you throw the dice and get your chances

Good lucking waiting for it to be finished, like the first IL2, it will never be finished, it will keep getting patches and addons for another 10 years, as computers get more processing power and memory more features will be added, I'm shocked that you bought the collectors edition and you don't know this, you should definately support IL2, already it is an awesome game

Yep, most definitely. I've spent thousands in a PC, a fancy HOTAS, Track IR, even a fancy desk just so I could enjoy one of my hobbies - playing WWII combat sims.

I think the $50 or w/e it costs to keep that hobby alive is a fairly cheap investment. Lets face it, noone else is doing a high fidelity WWII sim, let alone one that has as much possibilities with it.

I'll be the 1st one in line to preorder the new sequel. I've been waiting for this series forever. I'm sure many others have as well. And there's no way that a few bugs / issues that are being worked on are going get my panties in a twist over it.

I've gotten my monies worth 100x over with this sim already. Even with the bugs, the experience is simply amazing. And when we get this damned launcher crashing thing fixed, I can't wait to see all the formations of bomber guys, fighters, and the masses online. The future for this is just getting started, and I'm happy that I'm finally getting to fly it - even if a bit broken in some areas.

I already did support the sim buying collector's edition I think (I do not regret it either) and got something far from what was promised so far.

I also think that this could be an awesome game, have no doubt about it and never said the opposite, but I expect that when I buy a car not only has four wheels but it also runs.

With this "grab the money and run" policy 1C is showing with this sim (at least to me) makes me have serious doubts about how the whole project has been planned, to be honest.

I'd be happy to keep buying whatever they release as far as these have enough quality to be considered something to think about investing more money on them.

I had other disappointments with 1C develpoments in the past, TOW for instance was a even more buggy game when it was first released and people got really pissed off, many stuck to their word and never bought anything else from the saga, but I do not want that happens with CoD at all.

Where exactly did they run?......from what I can see they are still here and have produced several patches.

ERROR

See sig

Guys download Rise of flight! It has a lot of things CLOD currently not has! While playing ROF you can wait for the improvement of CLOD! Simple!

Or play Red Orchestra 2, Skyrim etc.

I stopped complaining! Its useless anyway! If they can fix this thing i will buy the sequel! If not..... it would be a shame but the world does not end because of this!

This sim has a lot of good about it. If it is finished it will be great. I also like the idea of a sequel.

However, if it is released before CoD is fixed up to something closer to finished software it will be very bad for sales (I for one won't buy it). If the sequel is released like CoD was (I doubt they are that stupid), it would destroy the series.

If CoD is finished and the sequel is equally finished, I will buy the sequel with excitement and the series'rep will be intact. I believe the vast majority (not everyone) will do the same as me and are watching for the outcome.

So good luck devs...keep working on CoD and I look forward to buying the sequel after CoD is finished.

Happy New Year

Mate if the sequel is released and includes the content we were promised in the original CoD and runs as it should..you will buy it regardless of the state of CoD, same as anyone would..

Doesnt matter who you are and what opinions you have about 1c/CloD/Steam or whatever..If the games there and its good everyone will buy it..the people that wont are the ones that dont like flight Sims..Id like to think there isnt too many of them here

Well put.

The Russian Front expansion will contain fixes that will automatically be applied to CLOD because of their merged install.

Looking forward to it.

I'm just being lazy but do we have a ETA on this expansion?

The sequel hasn't been announced yet, so with normal delays it will probably be a long time before release. This tells me there will be plenty of time to release patches for COD, and beta test features that were intended for the sequel.

No I won't mate. Only if its a merge and only after the reviews say CoD is fixed.

That is different. A merged install will work. I will wait however for the reviews before I purchase this time to make sure CoD has been fixed.

Merged installs has always been the business model for Maddox Games and they have stated a number of times this will continue thru the new series. If the development survives we will see a number of merged installs with more and more content that will add to all theaters. It certainly won't be quick enough for some, but most will enjoy the journey especially when the common game engine is finished and stable.

Merged installs work best when the first game is finished and the second adds content. A merge where the first game is left unfinished and the second is necessary to finish it.... is a very bad buisiness model.

Fix Cod first then merge.. is the best buisiness model for this game.

A bit of reading here and there....

Luthier on CoD : We are still working on improving CoD. No one's abandoned it. There will be patches.
Luthier on sequel(s) : We’ll work along the model similar to the old Il-2. There’s a single progression line from version to version dotted by sequels. For example, we never released a patch for Forgotten Battles that contained new code from Pacific Fighters. The way to get it was to buy PF and merge it into FB. That’s exactly how it will be with CoD

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In a perfect world its always better to finish the first installment, but sometime shyte happens. Now they have to deal with it, by working on COD, and the sequel, at the same time. Sometimes business models have to be adjusted until you recover from the setback. I don't think its that unreasonable.

Like I have said in a post that seems to have been deleted by the moderators, and if we don't get CoD fixed until the release of BfM with the merge, we will be expected to pay again for an unfinished sim that was released with known faults as stated by the developers (Sli was broken just prior to release and we are working to correct it, for one). Then in April they stated once again that certain things were being worked on for correction in the coming weeks (still not done). To get these things corrected in a patch prior to release of BfM does not sound likely, regardless of assurances from some moderators and others.

Rick

Cool. As long as they don't force me to buy the sequel to get the finished product I bought in the first place. Because that would be a ripoff.

That's one way of looking at it. But Luthier mentioned (in the last update I think) that certain aspects (weather primarily) of the game were going to take so long to fix anyway that any patch that brought them into CoD would be released so near in time to the sequel that it made more sense (technically and commercially I assume) to release them integrated into the new game.

I can see why people may not be totally happy or convinced by that but it seems that it is the way it will happen.

I would like to have seen things progress faster myself, but the attitude to the sequel really is a 'glass half empty' or 'half full' choice for everyone - we can either look at it as:

'if we don't get CoD fixed until the release of BfM with the merge, we will be expected to pay again for an unfinished sim that was released with known faults'

or we can look at it in terms of new aircraft, theatre, map(s) AND updated features that will be included and made applicable to CoD too - that is we're not going to be asked to pay more just to get CoD fixed, we will be getting new things for the money as well.

I'm not totally against your pov, but hopefully the next patch for CoD is going to be the one that does most to improve the game so far.

i can't see much of a chance that i would spend any more money on any cod expanshion, but thats just me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYV-q...eature=related

You're not alone.

I'm still hoping that CloD finally gets that one patch that fixes all my issues with the sim, but I've pretty much given up hope, 9 months after release. I check back here every 1-2 weeks but I'm beginning to don't care any more.

Lmoa I hadn't seen the second one before, thanks

I for one won't be buying any expansion unless it can be proved that all the problems that are present with the current release are fixed. I will probably wait at least 12 mths after the release of the expansion to see what the results are by keeping an eye on posts at the forums if there are no further fixes to correct the current release. By that time the price will also have dropped just like this one has.

Reading comments from other members I'm not the only one with this idea.

Rick

If I were you I wouldn't buy any expansions for many years, and think of the money you'll save. By then there will have been a number of features that improve COD, although it may be best to wait for the final expansion in fifteen to twenty years when it includes all the theaters. By then you could have a new computer that could run COD at 200 or 300 fps. What I'm trying to say is COD won't be finished for a very very long time, and will evolve considerably with features we've never seen before, especially when you add in user made content.

Yes...the nerve of Rick wanting to wait and see if the expansion is worth it. He's just supposed to just throw his money at 1C because they put out a flawless product that shouldn't even be questioned. Everything Chivas listed above is just an opinion on what's going to happen, I think it's been proven with this release that everyone's opinion on what this game was going to be fell far short. I agree that it might be 15 to 20 years before Clod is running good and has all the features that were expected though, so there's that.

Common Sense and the business plan of the developer tells us that this series will follow the same pattern as the old series, unless of course it fails, which is anyones guess. Confidence in the developer will come back very quickly when and if the sim works. If the sim succeeds everyone succeeds, if it fails we all lose. If you want to throw the developer under the bus with every post fill your boots, I'll try to counter it.

I agree Chivas. I just don't think we should throw members under the bus for stating that they will wait for reviews from forum members before purchasing. I think it was the great philosopher Scotty from Star Trek who said "Fool me once, shame on you...Fool me twice, shame on me." lol