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Smash 11-23-2008 10:10 PM

Top prior is leadership value.

Keneth 11-23-2008 10:19 PM

Intelligence and Leadership take priority over anything for any character. Being a warrior is a handicap since you'll still be relying just as heavily on spells but you won't be able to cast as many of them as a mage or have the perks of a paladin like the rez scroll, so you'll want them to be as strong as possible, hence every point counts. Being a warrior also means that you won't get it offered very often at levelups and more of the shrines on the map will be atk/def/rage rather than int/mana.

Metathron 11-23-2008 11:07 PM

I've only ever played on Normal, so that might be why I have to disagree. With a warrior, I've used different mass spells like bless, battle cry, haste, or stuff like slow or doom, which certainly don't require your intelligence to be high, do they? Striving to have 15 points of intelligence just to increase the duration of your spells by 1 was not even remotely a priority in my game as warrior. In fact, in my current game as paladin, I tend to avoid intelligence on level ups altogether.

Like I said, this difference of opinion probably stems from the difference in difficulty levels, but even on impossible I don't see why a warrior should invest in casting destructive spells (that require high intelligence) rather than utilizing order/distortion magic to boost his already formidable army (due to high leadership, attack and defense values).

Keneth 11-24-2008 12:08 AM

I haven't said anything about destructive spells, in fact chaos school can be skipped more or less by a warrior as he'll be too busy casting other spells to use any of them effectively save Sacrifice. But having a high intelligence makes a huge difference with spells like magic axe, ghost blade (these become useless in the second half of the game but can make a make fights a lot easier at the beginning), resurrection, heal, sacrifice, phantom, etc. I've never once used use bless, battle cry, doom, slow, and many other buffs, it seems like a waste of spell when you can make another phantom or reduce the enemy stack to avoid losing any troops in the long run (making cannon fodder costs less than resurrecting troops). And having that one extra round on haste, stoneskin, magic spring, invisibility etc. can also turn the battle largely in your favour. Don't misunderstand here, even if you take every chance you get to boost your int and use every item, you'll still have a hard time getting anywhere past 30. But the point is, 1 point of intelligence will make a much bigger difference than 1 point of attack or defense, especially since you can get these at every turn if you want.

pillz 11-24-2008 03:47 AM

sorry have been away. i think most people are too fixated on the traditional way to do things.

Basically to get ot Demonis early in the game you just have to:
1. Use thorn to kill turtle
2. Pay your way thru lucky james, half of it can be financed by clear eye

You can always come back to kill lucky james later, no big deal. The amount of gold you pick up in demonis far outweighs the money you spend early on, and frankly, even on impossible late game you will still end with quite a bit of it. With demons and dragons it's easy to clear the greenwort, arlania et al without any losses. Bogacho is very tricky, simply because no timeback.

This is for no losses yea, not for score. I think these are 2 very different things. You wil have to customise your army for a lot of battles if you want no losses, as well as to play combat many times. Plus rememebr to lure troublesome troops to favourable terrain before engaging. good luck.

Calinda 11-24-2008 08:06 AM

If you ask me to finish with best time you shouldn't go to Demonis early. You waste too much time there, better use it to clear Kordar ...

Keneth 11-24-2008 12:46 PM

That's only if you're going for score, personally I think that's a bit ridiculous unless you've finished the game so many times that you've got nothing better to do. :mrgreen:

pillz 11-25-2008 12:46 AM

refering to no losses as a warrior here

those dragons and archdemons really help a lot

laffwis 11-27-2008 08:46 PM

ok guys, in my game im on day 8 at level 17 with about 13.000+ leadership. (already ellinia, and demonis visited and collected all banners)
when i sum up to level 30, i only get about 26.000 leadership :confused:
isn't that a little bit too low for a warrior?
do you have any suggestions?

Zhuangzi 11-27-2008 09:22 PM

The only way you will get higher than that is with children that add to leadership. In my first game I had three kids that did that, which gave me over 20,000 leadership in Ellinia. :-P But I would prefer the artifacts ultimately though.


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