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IceFire 11-15-2010 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by addman (Post 197687)
Thanks csThor! The Hs-129 is one of those planes I always wondered why it hasn't been given the old flyable treatment before. Many freak planes I could've lived without if I just got this lovely ground-pounder instead. Really looking forward to 4.10:-)

I might be wrong but I believe that when IL-2 was developed there wasn't sufficient Hs129 information recovered to be able to make a flyable version. Now that there is a semi-complete cockpit restoration underway (I forget where - but I do remember the pictures) the information is available and it's possible to make it happen.

Amazing what was once lost is found again... And now in a way... Immortalized in a simulator.

zipper 11-16-2010 03:30 AM

wow - such devotion to fidelity ... and yet the Do335V13 model is so wrong ...

=69.GIAP=TOOZ 11-16-2010 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by zipper (Post 198659)
wow - such devotion to fidelity ... and yet the Do335V13 model is so wrong ...

In what way?

Fafnir_6 11-16-2010 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by =69.GIAP=TOOZ (Post 198660)
In what way?

I'm not sure either. They could have called it the Do335B-2 but other than that I thought the model was pretty decent. I'd be interested to hear some gripes.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

Qpassa 11-16-2010 08:30 AM

Could we see 4.10 before Christmas? :)

flying 11-16-2010 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Qpassa (Post 198676)
Could we see 4.10 before Christmas? :)

You'll see 4.10 at Christmas 2020.:-P

BadAim 11-16-2010 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zipper (Post 198659)
wow - such devotion to fidelity ... and yet the Do335V13 model is so wrong ...

And what does that have to do with Daidalos?

bf-110 11-16-2010 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Qpassa (Post 198676)
Could we see 4.10 before Christmas? :)


I hope that too.The chilean miners got rescued before it.:mrgreen:

zipper 11-18-2010 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Fafnir_6 (Post 198664)
I'm not sure either. They could have called it the Do335B-2 but other than that I thought the model was pretty decent. I'd be interested to hear some gripes.

Cheers,

Fafnir_6

not griping - not upset. amused. although BadAim brings up a good point, I have forgotten where the V13 came from. maybe Oleg, not Daidalos. sorry, if that is the case.

the V13/B-2 had the armor that wasn't installed in the A-0 (is it included in the game's damage model?). the most obvious was the windscreen. there were also two rear view mirrors, a larger nose wheel that had to rotate 45 degrees to fit in the wheelwell and some minor changes in the cockpit. are these variances important? eh, maybe, or not. what i find amusing is occasionally when people ask if a certain plane can be added or made flyable and the powers that be seem to be not very interested in it they say they can't do it because they don't have precise and accurate references and they don't want to make a mistake. odd, since many of the existing models have mistakes of one sort or another. I don't think a game on this scale can be perfect and i don't care too much, anyway. it is what it is, and i like it. Daidalos is a good outfit and overall seems to put out higher quality work than Oleg's crew, actually. (i am seriously looking forward to 4.10) but, if someone went on an easter egg hunt they could probably find a nitpick or two to at least disagree on with them as well - but i, for one, won't look that close - lol.

example of a stupid nitpick (Oleg): all nosewheels in game are treated as steerable - in RL absolutely non of them were, not even the B-29's, they were all castoring. but, dammit, this ain't a taxiing game. lol

carry on - sorry to have interrupted ...

=69.GIAP=TOOZ 11-18-2010 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by zipper (Post 199234)
not griping - not upset. amused. although BadAim brings up a good point, I have forgotten where the V13 came from. maybe Oleg, not Daidalos. sorry, if that is the case.

the V13/B-2 had the armor that wasn't installed in the A-0 (is it included in the game's damage model?). the most obvious was the windscreen. there were also two rear view mirrors, a larger nose wheel that had to rotate 45 degrees to fit in the wheelwell and some minor changes in the cockpit. are these variances important? eh, maybe, or not. what i find amusing is occasionally when people ask if a certain plane can be added or made flyable and the powers that be seem to be not very interested in it they say they can't do it because they don't have precise and accurate references and they don't want to make a mistake. odd, since many of the existing models have mistakes of one sort or another. I don't think a game on this scale can be perfect and i don't care too much, anyway. it is what it is, and i like it. Daidalos is a good outfit and overall seems to put out higher quality work than Oleg's crew, actually. (i am seriously looking forward to 4.10) but, if someone went on an easter egg hunt they could probably find a nitpick or two to at least disagree on with them as well - but i, for one, won't look that close - lol.

example of a stupid nitpick (Oleg): all nosewheels in game are treated as steerable - in RL absolutely non of them were, not even the B-29's, they were all castoring. but, dammit, this ain't a taxiing game. lol

carry on - sorry to have interrupted ...

Well, I think the Do335 was modelled by someone outside of the Oleg's team, but was released with 1946(?).

From what I understand, the procedure for 3rd party aircraft models being released prior to DT's involvement was that some random guy had a particular aircraft he wanted to have included in the game so he made the model and sent it into Oleg's team who would then give the guy feedback about poly counts, and so on, so he could make corrections. Once all corrections were completed someone at 1C:MG would then look it over and insert it into the game if it met all the criteria, and quite often the models had to be further corrected by one of Oleg's team anyway.

This way of doing things inevitably led to mistakes being made in the way certain aircraft were modelled, and the way certain mechanisms might work on these models, etc, because research was done by people outside of the dev team, and things like the nose wheel of the Do335 having to turn 45 degrees to fit might get missed. That's just how things go unfortunately, but we are fortunate that IL-2 was created by people who were willing to fix mistakes and improve their product continually, and indeed, with DT we have a great group who are doing their best to improve what is already a great product.

Perhaps now that you have highlighted the issue of the Do335 someone might decide to take a look at it and see if it can/needs to be fixed!


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