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Tree's last post hardly drifted into the realm of speculation. His criticisms were entirely accurate. I would strongly urge you to resist the urge to ban people simply because they have raised legitimate criticism. With all the other terrible PR this game has received in recent months, I don't think censorship will help. |
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you really should have followed the link and read the post. What this game doesn't need is more terrible PR, and repeating old, well known complaints is just that! |
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you cant say anything negative about this title anymore..simple as that if it doesn't get a ban straight away, it will entice the fanbois who will then cause a ban to the OP anyway or anyone 'else' like them who gets involved not being positive.. Pretty much simple as that really... you can dress it all you like |
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Read this thread... look at all the deleted postings. Complaints were justified in many instances months ago. Moderators overlooked large numbers of negative posters for their outrageous comments during those times. When is enough... enough? How many times have you got to hear the same junk rehased in dozens of ways... and it's the same whiners and complainers spewing their ilk. The development team has produced patches and will continue to release them as issues are resolved. The persistent negative posters aren't fixing problems with their whines. Many issues have been resolved up to now and there are large numbers of users that are having good experience with COD. Members in good standing are sick and tired of all the persistent whiners, and have made it known often. There are hundreds of members that have never been banned. I think it is also fair to say there are plenty of people that hang on this forums just to have something to do. Whines and complaints gets them the attention they desire. They care less about anything being fixed or not fixed, it's about their penchant for annoying others that fuels their fire. Bans will accompany misguided negative junk talk from persistent whiners. Our members are demanding it. |
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All of this has led to "biased" moderation, deletion of posts and excessive banning....which equates to more terrible PR. The rotating oscillator boys who have taken it upon themselves to interpret the disinformation from 1C and preach it to the dissenters in the tone of a "Community Manager"? Well, they have become a divisive tool in our community. That being said? At least I will be joining/enjoying good company.;) |
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I'm willing to bet money that even if things get fixed the complaints won't stop.
My question......given that the state of the game has been widely aknowleged (even by the devs), and all the complaints have been noted and agreed to be valid, what exactly is the constant repetition of the same complaints meant to achieve? |
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Whatever keeps everyone happy I guess, it's not my forum. Just make sure Nearmiss based on your reasoning that if someone even after all this time decides they have had enough of this or that and vents on the titles forum (watch this space after next patch...maybe) That when they are jumped on by the same "I wear CoD underpants to bed' gang they get the same treatment with their whines on how the title wasn't broken....(you know how the rest goes) with their constant drips which then instigate an argument which inevitably gets someone a ban. I've been banned once also and lately seem to be posting stuff of no use when before I've helped and added positive info to this community but it's starting to seriously p me off with the one sided stick being waved around here. A 'lol' and a 'rofl' doesn't make you any better or disguise your postings which then label you to the exact specifications that Nearmiss has pointed out. But your on the good side so your protected ~S~ |
Jamz I know one of the mods (no points for guessing which one ;) ) and he is doing a good unbiased job (so far :P ), you can't tell me that your not sick of the same ppl coming back here spouting the same story like its a terminal disease they have... That said your right about the "fanboys" but don't worry I am sure some of them are heading towards a ban as well.
No "side" is protected! All the mods have been unbiased to there credit, and the fanboys cause as much trouble for them as the haters. (okay okay that's my brown nosing done for the day ;) ) |
Yea guess your right in the taking sides bit, just seems a lot like that lately.
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Putting aside my personal irritation at having to read the same old complaints all the time, its like listening to kids singing "I know a song that'll get on your nerves", there is a very real risk that MG's backers (you don't really think they're afloat on CoD's current income do you?) will decide there is no market for CoD if the customer base, expressed through this forum, shows itself to be constantly at war with MG over CoD. It's not a question of 'fanboys' as some short sighted people see it. It is in fact a real worry that CoD will get ditched because there isn't the support for it and the "SoW" series. That's why you find people like me putting up a robust defence of the current situation and MGs efforts in putting it right. We're trying to show there is a very real interest in CoD and that we are prepared to wait while it is being re-built, giving the "SoW" series and its backers a future. I don't suppose that anyone on these forums really wants CoD to die but you could be forgiven for thinking that is exactly what they want if you just go back and look at some of their constantly repetitive negative posts. I wonder if they realise the risk such constant attacks could have on CoD's future. Perhaps they can't see past the 'fun' of constantly annoying the rest of us, or being so determined to be proved 'right', that they can't see the damage they may be doing. |
the damage klem??
i think its a little short sighted of the mods to quell this so called "whining" by banning and censorship, without this "whining", more and more people may start to think that clod is worth buying in its current state, which will mean there is a larger base of people to "whine" when they install the game and see it in all its glory. it should be taken off the shelves until it is fixed. |
Come on rep you know that would cause more moaning, the game does work for some ppl...
There working on the game that's enough for me... What really shows what klem said is true is when you look at the suggestion thread... There are a lot of ppl putting there 2 pence in but you don't see many of the whiners posting there... They would rather moan. |
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CoD being on the shelves is a matter for the retailers and yes it would avoid disappointment for some people (see robteks post) if they didn't know about it yet and didn't buy it yet but if CoD were formally 'withdrawn' by MG/UBI it would almost certainly mean the end of the game and the series. IMHO its better for MG to show commitment to CoD and its sequels. |
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Both as bad as one another.. And another thing, don't think that this forum would sway a decision on wether a game is 'backed' or not for future work/releases, that's horse crap. Reviews do that for you not forums, forums just attract or deter posters and occasionally the buyers. I agree with some of you post but not that bit.. Forums are not to wrap people up in cotton wool or in this case a game..forums have never been like that and they never will be. They are for info good or bad, and the repetitive postings about the same old thing comes from both sides..you start to police anyone new or old to here or the game then you've got a problem right there.. The reason certain people don't post here is because they get attacked personally which is wrong and out of order not because your hearing the same stuff over and over again which are real life experiences from new players as well as old ~s~ |
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i find it very disturbing that you are trying to devaluate positive postings, for i have found only very few "fanboy" postings (fanboy as a criticless poster). Most positive postings where very quick labeled as "fanboy"-postings, by only a few people, to devaluate them, even if the person posting didn't deny the faults of the game. Positive posts, not criticless posts, are showing that it is possible to get entertainment and fun out of CoD despite the still present bugs and faults, imo. |
Dont think we're on the same ball park mate :)
As I'm certainly not trying to devalue positive postings, where the hell did you get that from lol I'm not stupid enough to say that anyone posting a positive posting is a fanboi, I'm using that term to describe someone that attacks..... You know what, forget it lol I'm not saying it all again, if you think I'm trying to diminish someone who posts anything positive then so be it.. I can see what your doing there, quite clever really, though just 'quite' nothing more |
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Anyway I think I've said enough on this and made my own point of view clear. |
What i am trying to do is to say that answering to a whine doesn't equal being a fanboy and being positive is almost always better than being negative.
If you see more in my post than that, you see something that wasn't intended. |
very clear klem, i applaud you, robtek, ATAG and many others for the real support they have provided clod, i just really dont like this banning of the supposed whiners, there critisism is equally as important as the support you guys give.
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Having just come back from a ban myself, for apparent lack of respect?
I have to ask what respect as been shown the people who purchased this product? We have practiaclly had to beg for information. Surely everyone who paid for this game as proven that they are loyal fans, even Tree who predicted many of the flaws in this game before release went out and bought it. But it seems now they have no right to voice thier concerns. What ever happened to freedom of speech? If it wasn't for some of the people who are now banned there would be nothing happening on this forum, they help to keep this place alive, its very unsettling to see this kind of zero policy moderation for a game that failed to deliver on so so many aspects. Im expecting another ban for this post, but i feel it has to be said. Merry Christmas all. Banned again - never learning bound to repeat |
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Lol crane what a load of rubbish, the whinging is not "keeping the forum alive" it's a few poster that can not be reasonable and continue to buzz up against the window... Well the window is open fly or expect the occasional flyswater comming in your direction.. ;)
I would rather have a mod with a flyswatter than put it in the hands of naive fanboys Oh and merry xmas |
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Yep Merry Xmas to all.. That we can ALL agree on
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I'll repost something that I posted a few weeks ago in one of the threads, as I think its still relevant now:
''If someone new comes here, and vents, or has issues with CoD, then thats understandable if they have not read all that has gone before. If they have technical problems, like the customer above seems to have, they can be pointed to the correct sub forum where they could find an answer. Thats a helpful thing to do. Nobody should be labelled a whiner, or a fanboi, or anything else. It just inflames things and it has to stop. People that have been here a while know the situation, and continuously arguing from either side serves no purpose, and in my opinion drives others away from the forum. My view is thats not fair on them as they are customers too. '' From my point of view, I will take action against anyone here that I consider is agitating and troublemaking in the forum, and I don't care who you are, or what side of the argument you are on. |
BlackSix...we love you...got anything for us???
Time to work your magic with some big news.
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On that note, I can point to dozens upon dozens of posts by the so called gloom'n'doom group complaining about 'real' and 'un-real' problems over and over and over.. Yet I have yet to find one post by the so called fanbois saying the game wasn't broken or that there is currently 'nothing' wrong with the game.. Yet that is the brush the gloom'n'doom type allways paint with when someone disagrees with thier assements in any way shape or form |
let's face it AOA.....the doomsayers have an agenda, it is a mission they have embarked on to bad mouth this game at all costs, look at how many times TreeUK is willing to get himself banned just to have a whine, that's dedication to a cause, most sane people can realise when it's time to chill a bit, but these guys are radicalized....we should call them the Talibanned.
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Serial whiners? Of which ones: Cheerios, Frost Crispies, Rice Crispies? :D HAve a nice weekend! |
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you are in a loop. If you are not satisfied?! OK, understood. But could you stop behaving like little children, who didn't get their lolli? It's X-mas. Go and buy some presents. Or better, go and help mankind. |
There's two things this forum ultimately wants so that it can be a productive and enjoyable place to be. One is the willingness to help and share our common interests that correspond to flight simming, and CoD specifically. The other is civility. The latter is what this place has lacked for quite a while.
I understand the frustrations that have come part and parcel with this release. It has left out parts of the game that many were hoping (some of which were even featured by Oleg) out of our flight simmeg hobby. I also understand that despite the glaring flaws and ommissions many flight simmers are happily flying and shooting down their respective enemy. I don't want to negate anyone's reality of their own experience, but we could at least be civil, and I think understanding both sides would help. Apparent delays and lack of communication have become disappointing at times. But we also need to recognise that the team is working hard. What ever the fate befalls CoD and the future of the franchise I can say the intention was never to release the game in this state. Does anyone think they'd be working as hard as they are rebuilding the graphics and continuing to improve sounds if they weren't ever going to fix it or intended to cash in just to recover costs? That IMO deserves some credit regardless of the condition the game was released. MG isn't happy that they had to release CoD in this state and probably are a bit embarrassed because it reflects badly on their integrity - especially when we really simmers did have it good in the old days. Recognise each others complaints. Also realise that once you've said something a few times (especially in sometimes derrogetory fashion) most members get the idea and it really isn't condusive to perpetually beat a drum. Have you ever lived next to a drummer? They may be the nicest people in the world. You may enjoy the heck out of drum music, but living next door one who is a pro/semi-pro musician is painful on the nerves. Remember that consistently drumming a point (especially one we have had communication on) is like living next to a drummer. * Those who have been striving for a more enjoyable forum; remember this wasn't a contest or argument. The object is a forum where we can share our common interest that correspond to flight simming. It should be enjoyable. It would go a long way not to engage with those who have a history of negative partiality. To Paraphrase John Lennon: You may call me a dreamer, but I hope I'm not the only one. * Just in case a specific forum member thinks I'm singling him out because he's a drummer, I honestly never thought of that corrolation until halfway through the comparison. Never tried to single you out. I do find the coincidence funny. Hope you do too. |
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We must give offerings before the oracle will speak! Whats your favorite beer BlackSix?
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:grin: good one, but vodka would be way more appropriate...;) |
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B6 has actually posted today in the Sukhoi.ru thread: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...=28174&page=34 sooooo... ;) |
addman, you don't blame the gun for firing the shot, why do you blame the game?
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Nice one Addman. Right message for this time of year.
I'm one of the offenders here so let me take this opportunity apologize. I've always been a HUGE WW2 fighter fan and have played all aspects of the IL-2 series from day one. It looked like CLoD was going to be the Holy Grail of the combat flight sim genre and I hope this game eventually lives up to its potential. I think (for me anyway) that part of the frustration and venom comes from the fact that with sooooo much crap going on in the world (the economy, layoffs, the Dallas Cowboys!!!), CloD and regular updates were always a bright spot and something to look forward to. I will try to control my negativity and I hope ;) the developers will try to keep us informed and pumped up. |
Smink......I've been to Dallas and find it hard to believe you texans have anything to complain about, sunshine all year round...more or less, wide open space filled with incredible scenery, fort worth gun club.....and bone daddys, try living in the UK and you might have an excuse to be whinging bastige :grin:
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So true Alpha! But again as a comrade at work said: Gas is expensive for the poor, the same price for the rest ;) :D |
When is the Moscow expansion out?
Just curious on a approx timeline for proper fixes and performance updates. It wouldn't be that far away would it?
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When is the Moscow expansion out?
3months , 6 months , a year?
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Its still anyones guess, we know they were close with the sound, but ran into problems with the graphics, and no one knows if they made any advancements with the AI, Commands, etc etc etc.
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People that have been here a while should consider becoming productive, useful members of the community, or not bother posting. No need to go over the same stuff over and over. If people find they are constantly having their posts deleted then they should think before they post, and maybe consider they are part of the problem.
Go help a new guy in the tech section, or make a CoD movie, or post some aircraft related stuff, or post in Black Six's suggestion thread. You get the idea. |
I suggest people read my last post again.
If you want to argue amongst yourselves take it to PM, or facebook, not here. |
Give us a bone to chew, it is nearly Christmas after all!
...how about that beta patch!:)
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:) :) :) :-P :-P :-P AAAAAAAHHHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA .....HHHHAAAAAAAA....HHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Thanks Aer90, Gees I have not had a good old laugh like that in ages.. |
If you had requested some diffuse info from B6 I'd second it but a patch this week? Might as well wish for peace on earth. ;-)
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By the summer if we are lucky..but when they said "major problems..and no date yet" as to the fixed graphics engine.
.it reminded me of appolo 17..Houston we have a problem..code for "Ummmm this aint working out well"... so..back to square one...push one with the Battle of Moscow...and try to rake in more dollars.. here is the problem they pay programmers CraP in Russia.. so they dont have the talent to get this thing done RIGHT....out the door the first time..or even the second or third time.... take a clue from CODmw3...over 1/2 billion in the first week in sales.. this game would sell well too..but its gotta run right. |
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I agree..I dont think Im running a slack system here..but when my fps drops down to 7 upon a dusty landing... or stutters when open up with guns and cannons..and I have almost everything on LOW..(textures original..model.high) the there has to be something pretty muckered up. I hate to wine..at times..i think this game is just awesome.and beautiful..but thats the eye candy..it still has to run RIGHT...and that is missing. |
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I am sorry but if you think this game could ever match the likes of MW in sales then you have your head buryed in the sand, the emphasis currently is on modern warfare so the setting of il2 is not "hip" it's a sim that requires a joystick and a lot of time to learn an aicraft also it will undoutable allways require a decent pc to run and the console market has reduced the number of ppl that might have brought a pc.
There simple are not that many ppl that would buy il2 in comparison to MW unfortunately :( but they are the ones missing out. They spend £50 a year on a "new" game i.e. a few new textures we are going to spend ~£30 and get a whole load of complex highly detailed aircraft... If a games popularity was based on the effort a dev team put into it then everyone would be playing il2 however that is not the case :( |
I dont have my head buried in the sand.but some here do..
I realize the "shoot em ups" appeal to a younger crowd..and this is a highly niche game... flight sims...however..where does that divorce the right to have a game that functions well? We have been told to "be productive here" help a new guy..post videos..all fine and good..but I'm not a programmer..not much I can do. that's why I pay people who know that stuff and buy their products.. bottom line..you need to have the people and money to do things right...its just the way business run..your product runs/works well.it sells well..and visa versa... I want this game to succeed..Im just always feeling a bit let down...and..its hard when there is nothing at all you can do about it.. except perhaps throw a bit more money at your pc to hope things perk upm and then you hear they are focusing on a new Battle of Moscow... but wait..can't they fix THIS one first? I mean...whats the sense of an add on if it is just a east front CoD? Your still going to have the same issues. if you dont fix the core problems..which is why many of us are frustrated.but still love the game. I think the game is really wonderful..visually..but that does not make up for its drawbacks in performance...it just doesnt..they get old. you get tired of them..so.i guess.it means..move on to another flight sim and hope this one gets cleaned up. |
Hey guys... I have only asked for a bone to chew not a whole joint...;-)...davai beta patch!...spasiva!...;-)
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For me this is the only flight sim, RoF is amazing and I will continue to support it but I prefer the ww2 era.
I am sure they will fix CoD, for me it's not a mater of if but when it will be fixed. The thing I find most annoying is that it's obvious that a lot of time and care was taken with the certain areas of the game but when it came to putting all of the carefullly crafted jigsaw pieces together they realised they were almost out of time and gaffa taped it together, of course it's going to take time to undo that and put it back together propperly but we have seen what they are capable of and it's stunning. |
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Thats a very good anology. We are all in this "spaceship" together, past the point of no return... To make it work we all have to pull together and get on with it, from developer, 3rd party developers and consumers alike... If we want this to be a success we all have to be on board. There are no rats exiting a doomed spaceship! :-P I for one will be buying the expansion "battle for moscow" blindly! Would you all see this fail? Would you play anything less than the standed set forth here? I bloody would'nt! I know when I say these things I dont speak for one men but a dozen - my unit, 5./JG27 & 9./ZG26. Ask not what luthier and team can do for us but what we can do for them! - ok a bit far but still... |
I am a bit at a loss by those that think that the Russian Front expansion will somehow stop repairing the broken aspects of CloD.
The code for both is the same, hence repairing it for one fixes it for the other. Why is this hard to come to grips with? Also the 3D modeling staff is getting paid to make models, not write code, so it is the most effiecient use of their time to work on the expansion. This is a reasonable way to allocate resources is it not? |
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I have to agree with this. CloD is really just an engine with a load of data plugged in. Some data describes the elevation of the terrain and the placement of textures upon it, some the objects, some the flight model parameters etc. etc. The static objects will almost certainly be portable straight into the new product as they are simply a bunch of vertices and texture coordinates. Same with the terrain too - the data may need the odd tweak to support a new feature or two but there should be no reason why we couldn't have terrain and objects running under the new engine in very little time. Then there are the aircraft....many of which will be needed in the Moscow campaign so every effort will be made to ensure these work with the new engine. That leaves the other dynamic objects such as tanks and field guns etc. Again, most of these I'd say were built for the Russian campaign anyway so I expect full support for all the objects we currently see in CloD. Now, what do we have left to worry about? Clouds, trees, water, sounds....they're all the same whatever the theatre. I'm a programmer so know a little about how these things are put together. Personally I have absolutely no concerns that CloD will be left out in the cold when the Moscow product comes along. There may be some delays and bugs but in the end we will have what we want. Plus, with the release of the SDK the community will be able to start filling the gaps and making improvments to the maps and objects. I really wouldn't worry about this. Keep those negative waves at bay guys.:grin: |
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Where are all these week-long, on-going 128 player battles I've heard so much about? Those sound like fun. :grin:
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Four years of college, three years of Law School..15 years of practicing law and I get dinged here for not using proper grammer and punctuation? Good grief Charlie Brown, all I want to know is how to make this game I bought playable, I had no idea we were being graded on grammer/sentence structure and content.
Please...cut me a little slack, Ihave had two bilateral corneal transplants for Keratakonis and one eye in rejection..I also have Tourettes Syndrome since I was 5 and type the BEST I CAN, if that's sub par..then please...kick me off your forum! I surely dont come here to be insulted by ANYONE let alone a MODERATOR for my bad punctuation. If you want to edit my Post...please do so...that is your perogative, but do you have to insult my bad grammer as a RANT? That is really pushing things to far, and you really ought to think twice before AS A MODERATOR making such snide comments, are you not here to be above such things? I would expect such behavior and comments from a 12 year old..but not from an individual who is supposed to be here as a "official" or "semiofficial" representative of a global corporation. Why don't you show a little more class. If you don't like the content of my posts, then just say so, I'm certainly not here to be a cheerleader for this game. I come to seek advice as to how to play it better, when patches will be available, etc. I do not have the ability to spell check every word here, and I certainly was not under the assumption I was writing a doctoral thesis or a law school exam. GROW UP JG26 ALPHA!!! If you dont like the "content" of my posts, then its your call to simply remove me from your forum. I suppose without it, my life will be in ruin, I won't sleep a wink at night, and my pc will probably crash, in short, the sun shall never rise again...good god, do you think your the only game in town? |
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This is sarcasm and bordering on a nonsensical rant...you have been warned. You do however get three gold stars for proper spelling and grammer. |
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that's nothing i made a post that was calling for peace in here and for us to be more excepting of each others opinions whether praise or whine and i got called a snide and that my post was a sneaky dig and my post was deleted.
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Your rig should be able to run CoD well, I think you just need to tweak your setting a bit more. Didn't GRAthos help you out a couple of weeks ago with your settings? JD AKA_MattE |
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