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I agree Rama.This is the only sim I have had constantly on my system for nearly 7 years.I play it several times a week,and love it now as much as I did the day I bought it.
I believe onliners make up a much more significant percentage than was previously thought.Then again,I have no proof of that,so its my opinion only. If Oleg can make 4.09 secure then that would be the ideal solution for everybody. Modders can stick with 4.08 online,while everyone else will naturally move to 4.09. Or have 2 installs. |
No facts and many assumptions there Rama! You live in the online world and that is all you see, check in to Hyperlobby any time of day, how many players do you see? That is all that bought this sim? I don’t think so!
No spitting from my side just trying to get this discussion into reality mood. |
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Hey zapatista we agree with something for once!
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there is no middle way in this argument, the choice right now is either have a fair and honorable environment to play online in with total strangers from across the world, or put nails in the coffin of the best ww2 flightsim we have had for the last 5 years (and still have to rely on for the next 12 months) closing the hack loophole is no simple matter either, its taking time and resources from oleg to deal with this issue, without a guarantee it will even be closed. |
And if we don’t talk about it will go away and Oleg won’t need to patch the sim!?
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''if you agree with the overview Rama just posted, why then come here in olegs own 1c forum and promote the use of hacked files in il2 ?''
Show me the thread in which I promoted the hack? I see no evidence of links to websites,pictures of hacks,how to hack etc in any of my posts. ''there is no middle way in this argument, the choice right now is either have a fair and honorable environment to play online in with total strangers from across the world, or put nails in the coffin of the best ww2 flightsim we have had for the last 5 years (and still have to rely on for the next 12 months)'' I only ever play with friends.Have done for years.To much evidence of cheating in dogfight servers (printscreen, killstealing, teamkilling, lag etc) Actually I think I have some tracks of those somewhere to prove this. ''closing the hack loophole is no simple matter either, its taking time and resources from oleg to deal with this issue, without a guarantee it will even be closed.'' Are you really Oleg? If so,how are you Sir,it was nice to talk with you in Birmingham! |
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BTW: I'm part of the modders... those who participated in modding the sim under M:1C control... those who did some of the toys you're flying in or on... In your arguments, you totally forget the huge amount of work done by official modders (those who did it with M:1C quality control)... you seems to think no modding has been done before the avaibility of the hacked tools... as many others in this discussion... Let's just consider one thing: You think modders work for the "community"... then you can't be more wrong.. Modders work to please themthelves, to do things that interest them. Giving tools to the "community" is just a bonus that may give a little ego boost. This is true for all modders, controlled by M:1C before the hack or actual ones with total freedom. But when M:1C was controlling and refusing bad quality stuff (or asking modders to redo or to modify the work to reach quality standards), then you could use everything without questions, it was "part of the game" as soon as delivered (in patches or addons)... and that's probably why a very few peoples realise the extend of modding that was done before the hack. Without quality control, you get no filtering... so the user has to do the filtering by himself. Just think about this... Quote:
Yes not all people that bought the game are onliners... but I highly doubt most of them are actually active offliners. |
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Following this thread closely. Some really interesting stuff going on with this sim. Am I wrong to conclude that at this point 4.08 is pretty well compromised for online play? |
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I inform those reading: Changing FM/DM is very easy as it is based on the same way of modding as the sound plus changing some parameters. There is no need of higher math information or special PC info. A single user able to switch between two IL2 versions is perfectly able to mod anything the game is, especially the FM/DM as the easiest parts. Quote:
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Not one minute have I been interested in those. Everything from the site is benefitting from doings that are against the developper and is offending his laws. The " interesting work" has therefore no value whatsoever. |
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If the main point for you is level playing field and victory depending on players` skills then yes, it has become non-existant. |
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You say that Combat Flight Sims which have been modded by the community are dead yet completely ignore the fact that every single Combat Flight Simulation has been extensively modded…are you telling me that they are all dead? That IL2 is the Only Flight Simulation that people play currently? |
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don't forget thirdwire. They've got something going with jets over the middle east. and said sim is supremely modabble. unfortunately the lack of multiplayer seems to be killing that series of sims. |
Sweet mother of..... what a bunch of mindless chatter in here, what are u guys...2??? u jerk around in here and then giggle at that pathetic hackers forum of yours, backtalking fellow simmers, commenting on their persona and hit eachother's back - still giggeling like 12 year old school girls.... Beside Ivan's posts and a few more, this is just a load of *****
MOD? please.... this is not what I was hoping for.. this is getting worse than "that other place" which I lost hope in a long long time ago... but still it was beeing SOMEWHAT modded... now...don't get me wrong... I love you all guys, everyone of you, but you really REALLY have to sharpen up! And Uther.. stop pestering Evgeny.. he has a tough job as it is without u messing with him.... grow up. Moma can see u! |
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The third wire series is absolutely great for excellent modability... :) |
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... and it has also been extensively modded... the only difference is that the modding has been under control by M:1C, this insuring quality control AND online unity. |
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I know F4 blows online. LOMAC isn't that great, I fly it btw. The others I'm going to have to take an educated guess at and say they don't even have a quarter of the numbers IL2 has online. I truely believe the one of the reasons IL2 remained so popular online is because people could fairly assume that there was not a plague of cheating going on because of mods/hacks. |
Sniper,I am also not trying to flame here,so please do not take it as such: I have not seen a decrease in the players in hyperlobby since this started.There still seems to be a 1000 or so online when I fly.
Its a valid point though, does anyone think there has been a decrease online? |
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The scary thing is how people sound like fundamentalist when talking about a GAME. The best WWII sim ever, yes.. but still a game.... Respect the creator! come on! he has my money and a succesfull buisnes... And I bet that is what he wants, not global adoration ;). Respect HIS LAW! come ON; this is a joke right? |
All these idiots running around...like chickens with their heads cut off....shouting..."the game is ruined!...the on-line is ruined"
maybe it is ruined for you..... but do not think you speak for all..... pretending YOU are the voice of the whole community...... what stupid egotistical behaviour.....typically the ones with the biggest egos are those in the Dogfighting servers..... always looking for ...kills....points.....winning ....grow up.....there is more to life than that it is because of all these ego problems that the world will never know peace |
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Hey Baco
Did you and Ahmadinejad grow up sharing the same glue? "Show me someone that can prove that Checksum=2 doesn´t work, and I´ll agree. Till then that statemente is a LIE." Just because you haven't bothered to educate yourself, doesn't make it a "LIE". Its already been proven that Checkruntime=2 does not work at preventing mods and cheats in online servers. There have already been ntrks posted here and elsewhere with proof of this. You might want to read the earlier posts by Santa Claus, including the one about sticking heads in the snow. Players both for and against mods have already acknowledged that if someone wanted to cheat in a crt=2 room they can. This includes the mod makers at the forum that isn't mentioned. The subject of modding a stronger checkruntime has already been discussed. <- If it can't be beat, why do we need a better one? Even Oleg himself has commented about this subject with regards to thanking those who have ruined online play. The question for many onliners is... Will there be a better server side checkruntime in 4.09 IF it is released? |
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Though to be fair I can’t understand how you can describe Falcon 4.0 online as “blowing”. I’ve flown it online for the best part of 6 years in various incarnations and it’s the best online experience I’ve ever had…I assume it’s the fact that competitive “force on force” engagements are very much secondary to co-operative missions that has coloured your opinion. Obviously IL2 is by far the most widely played game on Hyperlobby…but that’s simply because use of Hyperlobby isn’t part of the online culture in other games…they are played through dedicated or squadron servers or through peer to peer sessions…so to say very few people play online through Hyperlobby, is a very different thing from saying very few people play online full stop. IL2 is popular on Hyperlobby because it lends itself exceptionally well to that environment…it lacks a steep learning curve and is relatively straightforward to learn and play and the very broad base of flyables from all nationalities mean it is ideal for competitive dogfights. |
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the majority of users "may" be offline players who aren´t affected but here, in this forum, i think the majority are online player who are affected if the balance is distorted. i really believe that not everybody who uses the sound-hack ist cheating, but there are always people who will use any advantage they can get to win. Those hacks might be used this way if its easy to do. Of course there where hacks before the sound-hack but those where only used by a very, very small number of people and didn´t matter in the whole picture. When every dick, bill or harry can use a hack to his advantage the online play will be dead for all "serious" players who are playing full real. robtek |
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Get a life dood. Do you pray to Oleg? Butcher this sim? The "Community" as you call it, has been asking for some of the things that are in this MOD for a long time. What have we been getting? The 121st version of a Lagg or Yak or Me109. If you want to see a "narrow minded idiot", I suggest you look into a mirror. What would you and all of the rest of the "straight and honest (pfft, what a joke)" people do if the Great Oleg (tm) says, the Mod is ok, I will let these people Mod the sim so I can get back to the important things......Like SoW ? Don't get me wrong, I have the greatest respect for Mr. Maddox and his crew. I have ALL of the IL-2 series, including both demos. I just think he is not loosing any sleep over this, that's all. Give it a break will ya........ both sides are getting really, really tiresome now. DerAlte |
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I really expected more than that from you. But, I guess I was wrong. DerAlte |
Awww, you disappointed in me too? :D Join the forces!! :)
I am not sure how to fulfill your high expectations… Hey, don’t you worry, I wouldn’t even try that. Sorry to disapoint you mate, but i am not a nice person anymore... :D |
Well it's worse then zubi here .. well someone give me the magic stick that i can take disciplinary actions and locking things down a bit... The wine turned into vinaiger now..
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http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2004-...63-asleep3.jpg This debate is GETTING..... BORING.ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ !!!! But its a great opportunity to Plug a Great server>> Lets get back to what we love the best . Want a fun server?? FOR THOSE THAT ACTUALLY DO FLY FULL SWITCH SETTINGS ONLINE... I run a fun Little server called Guts&Glory in hyper lobby. its on the bored as : Guts_Glory Bring your skills only.... The server is set to run the Sim the way it was designed to be flown . We try to minimize file conflicts by ruining the server at these settings. The server settings are at: CheckRuntime=2 checkServerTimeSpeed=1 checkClientTimeSpeed=1 checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.02 checkTimeSpeedInterval=2 checkRuntime=2 [MaxLag] farMaxLagTime=0.5 nearMaxLagTime=0.5 Now if your Looking to get a group of like minded folks together to fly in a nice full switch server with good pilots,that are at a competitive skill level. That want to fly the Sim as it was designed to be flown... Please join us. The maps are fast paced with balanced plane sets from. WW I ------> late war running 24/7 Find us in hyper As Guts_Glory. Get skins at www.RaVeNSkins.com |
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The topic you requested does nor exist... So there! :) |
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That only indicates that the post was quickly deleted. The question is: why???? robtek |
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Hmmm..so what your saying it was done on purpose? |
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It was deleted by the site mods. The above tinyurl points to the 'other sites' position on FM/DM mods, and is the final position of the administrators of that site. BC's comment was, in effect, rendered obsolete by the new position of the above post shortcut. |
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Yes lets all keep flaming the thread.God forbid it falls off the front page.It is after all the most important topic in the world right now.Come on,you are only at 76 pages and 752 replies.I expected more of you.Lets see if you can get it up to over 100 pages/1000 replies by Christmas!
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and i expressively didn´t say anything why, i asked a question. Which was rendered inconsequential by the follow-up-post. Btw, i agree fully to what is said there. |
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"that really wasn´t necessary" Please, for crying out loud... |
Jokes are verboten here stalker,this is the soundmod thread,the most important thread in the world.
By the way,did everyone see the new posts from Oleg about Storm of War,some good things there.There are also various threads appearing in the forum about various LW aces,a Russian ace,a couple of 'Happy Christmas' threads,a thread about system specs,nightfighters in SoW,a thread about a WW1 server (pretty cool looking) and a few other topics. |
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You would have thought I had insulted Santa Claus,that beer swilling reindeer molesting old red suited porky fat man or something? :) |
LOL why do you think rudolphs nose is all red!
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Online will come crashing down within 2 or 3 months at best, unless Oleg comes up with some fix. Thanks a lot for trashing the best online experience that most of us have ever had. |
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you are welcome .... RIP my offline gaming will stay the same though |
Used the link to AAA...looked at it for about 1 min..and wanted to puke.
"Lets leave the FM/DM alone for online playebility sake"...what a joke. What a suprise, several names that keeps popping up in here are in there to..what a shocker. Like any of u (u know who u are) can take the high ground on anything regarding this game...pfff. U people crack me up..lol On the good side though: I compiled my own personal "who not to fly with...today or anyday" list. Very handy indeed. ( or more like a list of who not to cover..ever) lol Thx. |
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Good for u. Im sure all your promodder friends agree with u 100% BTW, iv heard from a relible source that strictly offliners are former onliners who just couldnt cut the mustard.....is that true? |
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BTW did you apologize to Uther yet ? .... |
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Ahhh, dammit...u figured out that im actually BaronUnderpants in UBI...shucks. I tried soooo hard not to blow my cover. U way to smart for me. P.S. Never played online u say...and still u seem to have a fair amount of oppinions regarding ONLINE play...wow. |
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and where did you found my opinions regarding online play .... another BS from you ... DID YOU APOLOGIZE TO UTHER JET? |
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Sry btw for the "seem to have a lot of oppinions about online play..wow"
Looked arround, and u dont have a oppinion on...anything really. U just pop in from time to time for a quick stupid remark or giving your pals a pat on the back. Sry, my misstake, i actually assumed u had something relevant ( an oppinion ) to bring to this topic. Sry, again. |
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BTW ... been looking for some work you have done for this community ... you know like skins, missions.... anything . So far nothing...zilch...nada....zero .... |
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U dont have to argue with me in perticular...that would involve actually having an oppinion, wich u dont, and havent had for, ohhhh, 77 pages. GW (that means Good Work for u strickt offliners) |
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As for the two posters in the quote above from you...? Well one of them is such a punk that he is not even man enough to use his own name.. he has to go by "username".. and the other one? Well he is not alone of course.... but the deed is done, and we all knew that from day one, even if it was a huge pill to swallow for many.. that is why some of us are still in such pain over the facts as they are because lets face it.. the last unhacked combat flight sim which also happens to be the best WWII combat sim ever made to date no longer has the fidelity that has until now kept it even more unique among the genre than the quality of the sim itself.. ... and as the entire anti mod camp feared from day one, those who will cheat, those who are so "knowledgeable" (and I use the term very loosely and with the utmost facetiousness) that they are convinced that 1C couldn't have gotten it right or that they have what it takes to "tweak" the FMs and DMs, which as we all know is the first step on the banana peel of that slippery slope to the downside of modding that is just as much a fact as the fact that the sim, we all love is now hacked are already on their quest to "improve" on the 1C model. Just as with the folks @ AAA.. there is nothing we can do about it... unless of course somebody can come up with a hack defeater/detector as I seriousl.y hope that 1C will do in spite of what Oleg said.... in the meantime lets keep it about the simming.. know wyhere AAA stands.. know also that there is a community of the sith that is out there.. but until you get a mod that will let you look into a flyer's heart... fly the sim man.. fly the sim and try to have as much fun as you can till BoB comes out... and then we can start the party anew. |
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but I for one do not blame the folks @ AAA.. I blame whoever the people where who hacked the sim in the first place and so irresponsibly released the hack into cyberspace. Many of the folks @ AAA have just jumped on that train... are you nuts? they are one |
Thanks Bearcat.
That is the best thing you have said to me, and the anti-modders in general, since this odious affair came to light. S! I only hope we can keep enough of the sim alive till BoB is released to make it worth going online. |
Today I went shopping at Tesco's,the local supermarket.Busy at this time of year,and damn cold.It was very busy on the roads,because of all the Christmas shoppers I guess.Just about done all the Christmas shopping now,just need to finish off the food shopping.Really looking forward to my trip into town again on Sunday to finish everything off.
not sure whether to have turkey again this year,or we might try a duck or goose for a change.Its a hard choice and getting a bit late in the day to have still not decided. |
Turkey, duck or goose!!? Are you mad! Go for some ham. A big ham that will keep you and your family full and happy until next year.
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You guys are pathetic! Only 24 replies and 2 pages in 7 and a half hours? We will never reach out target of 100 pages/1000 replies by Christmas day at this rate.I expect more effort from you all in the next few days or we will not reach the target.Come on,lets all pull together.
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Well we do have ham as well,but turkey seems to be the most popular thing in the UK at Christmas.I do like the idea of trying goose though.I don't think I have ever had it.
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are you the man oleg has talked to what must he think of you now with your rambling and pro hack attitude |
Viking what is usually eaten in Sweden at Christmas time?
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I think most of us at AAA do not agree with username and rone, heck, the only reason I didn't post telling rone to go to hell for his silly attitude is cause I want the mod he's working on here: http://allaircraftarcade.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1658 . That was going to be a serious improvement that I think a lot of people could have gotten behind, a groundpounders wet dream. The other stuff he was on about, gun damage mods and such, no thanks!
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Ah now Urufu,sensible posts do not belong in this thread any longer,that went out within the first 70 odd pages! This is now a charity thread,for every page over 100 by Christmas day we should all give a buck to our favorite charities!
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Ok page 79 now so we need at least 5 pages a day to make it. Come on people lets get this going we can do it.
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I had heard about the herring,but did not realise that ham was so popular.A lack of knowledge of different countries I suppose.So are birds such as turkey,duck and goose eaten at this time of year?
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Birds! Bah! A proper Christmas table (julbord) in Scandinavia is a feast for the eye and the stomach. Salomon’s, herrings, pork, eels, reindeer, etc, smoked, grilled, coked. That’s the way to celebrate the midwinter solstice. |
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I wish you poasted that for us at ubizoo years ago, as far back as 2003 when Oleg's Offline play customers asked for an option to enable working trim controls in their WW2 flight models, and were told they only wanted to cheat online!! Good call Bear. http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d1...eys/thumbs.gif |
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I'm a Canadian Newfie eh? We do things a little bit different. ..just doin' my part to drive the total post count up. |
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I can see it now, BC gets banned for continuing to try to bridge the gulf between the pro- and anti-modders here, and the Mod wars ensue both here and on UBI.. someone pass the popcorn. I'll make the fairly obvious assumption that i'll be one of the first to be perm-banned here for making this brazen post, so i bid you adieu, in advance. Have fun with your ban-stick, Iban. |
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nice move .... so Zoo is finished then .... even mods are moving in here .... @Uther: for dinner on evening before Christmas in Croatia : Bakalar fish ( Cod fish ....if my dictionary is right ) and all the rest of seafood .... http://konoba.ugor.biz/images/bakalar.jpg For Christmas : purica s mlincima ( turkey with .... well i don't have translation for that) http://www.zagorskipuran.hr/slike/Tanjur800x600.jpg |
Glad you found the time in your busy schedule to be a moderator again Ivan.On Monday when you take up your onerous duties and moderate this forum with the impartiality you are so well known for,you can delete all these useless threads.A shame about this one though,as its the most popular thread here,and I really think the 'charity' idea could work.It is for charity after all.
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And there should not be a benchmark as a reason to give to charity....give what your heart tell's you to now.....as far as this thread goes, 50% of the posts are telling people why they should hack the game...certainly not something a game developer want's to see on their forum....bad for business, I would think
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Sorry Slipball,I was just trying to bring some good to this useless thread.At this time of year,people feel more charitable for some reason.And lets face it,Evgeny could get rid of this thread with one click of his mouse if he wanted to.
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Naww guys, i`ll pass for now. Not much time for the task.. Was just joking :D
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