Originally Posted by zapatista (Post 465228)

i think the whole context is a little different in this case

as was already stated over 9 months ago, work on CoD had/has essentially stopped, and their main focus was rebuild/create a new gfx and game engine while simultaneously working on BoM. if BoM is not released on schedule this time and proves to be a relative success, then the whole project and series is folded and they close their doors (have a guess at the amount of whining then, and the glee and joy from people like tree)

the last beta patch, and largely this current RC, are primarily the beta introduction of the major progress milestones of the new gfx engine, with a few critical fixes for CoD added (like the CTD's etc). the "comprehensive fix of major CoD problems" has/is not included in this, there are some partially tested and some quick hurried CoD fixes included, but most of that hasnt gone through an orderly in-house testing process (which the gfx engine fixes have by all indications)

my main concern is that the cluster of perpetually negative people here (not you specifically) and the disgruntled and frustrated newcomers swept up in that mindset, are so limited in only spewing out aggressive and rude "negative feedback" , that as a result it will collectively be responsible for missing the boat in getting the many badly needed fixes for CoD included in the final patch. what we should instead be focused on is to present the major bugs and missing features (AI not working etc..) in a way that makes it easier for luthier to deal with and setting priorities in their fixes (dont expect him to wade through long winded threads that are full of bickering and negative jibes, neither expect him to go looking at other websites to get "outside" input. its largely up to the russian and english CoD forum users to provide them with that information in a way that makes it easier for luthier, and at least for our forum it is obvious this does not exist (no idea what the russian forum is like)

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM (Post 465236)

Boring...

How can i start red fighters?

If all the fanboys here can't explain me how, i'll assume that dev team release a porked patch, sorry to say... No excuses for such flaw don't be adressed BEFORE the release, it's not a "minor" bug, it's a HUGE, GIANT bug!

Simples as that!

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles (Post 465211)

Chivas, this is not a Beta any longer. It's a "Release Candidate". Release Candidates are not supposed to have serious bugs.

Obviously it is YOU who does not understand the lifecycle of a piece of software.

Originally Posted by Catseye (Post 465190)

Geeze Chivas,
"If you understood the beta process . . . . . "
I really think that you have a reading comprehension issue . . . . or a communication problem wherin you are not able to prepare a sentence or comment without insulting the intelligence of the other posters. You assume so many things about others without facts.

You just don't get it! The beta process is to eliminate problems. If problems are re-introduced, they are caught as a part of the process of evaluation of the changes made before giving it to the testers. You check your work!! It's not up to the testers to check the programmers work!

The startup issue is not just a minimal issue. It is a game-breaker issue! Who the heck was asleep at the wheel on this one?

If you are going to play around with the mixture settings, one would think that someone went through the process of checking to see if the aircraft would start or even fly and that the mixture settings really worked in action.

I'm putting this one to bed. The issues speak for themselves.

Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 465252)

When you wake up, asks some friends what beta testing is. Then you might not be so incredulous when you find errors and bugs, while beta testing.

Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 465251)

Unbelievable.....If it were the Release Candidate it would be sent to Steam for download. This is still a beta patch of a possible RC path, sent out to the community for testing.

Originally Posted by Chivas (Post 465252)

When you wake up, asks some friends what beta testing is. Then you might not be so incredulous when you find errors and bugs, while beta testing.

Originally Posted by MadTommy (Post 465257)

I'm sorry but not being able to start a plane in a plane simulator is NOT an bug that should be in a RC or even a beta patch. That is something that should not make it out of alpha stage.

Originally Posted by furbs (Post 465256)

Chivas, i find most of your posts pretty fair and reasonable, even if a little "rose tinted" but on this issue i think your just being blinkered and stubborn.

Its ok to say the devs made a mistake, they wont cry.

In the process of coding the mixtures and start up procedure, the person making the changes must of a some point said "its done, finished Luthier"

How did they know they had "finished" with out testing the changes he/she made?

You make changes to the start ups but dont try and start the planes yourself in game?

Come on Chivas...

Originally Posted by Tree_UK (Post 465169)

Then surley if this is the case you would expect all be the most foolish to test that the same old problems haven't been reintroduced before releasing the patch, otherwise we just go round and round in circles like we have been doing for the last 19 months, I'm sorry Chivas but on this I completely disagree with you.