haha ... well our Australian politics has gone beyond infantile to the point of being a hilarious Monty Python spoof at the moment. I do not think Britain is doing much better from what I hear. i think Aussies at present would accept a sheep as leader if it got the politicians (of all persuasions) off the television.

Well, I didn't like to say, but I've got the impression that it was getting a little farcical down under. And yes, UK politics is laughable too. Or it would be if these clowns didn't have so much power - including in our case, access to nuclear weapons, though with the way the economy is going, we'll probably be flogging these off to the Chinese in a few years...

Originally, Fat Man was built to force the other party to capitulate.
The fast end oft the war in Europe came faster than expected, consequently the bomb was rescheduled.

It was ment to hit the Führer's party capitol - Nürnberg.

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Therefore the only point in including nuclear weapons in the game seems to be so immature prats can get their rocks off imagining blowing stuff up like they see in the movies.

I could take the nuke or leave it thats not my point. Are you trying to tell me you don't like blowing things up, if you didn't you would be playing another simulator that had no guns or bombs what so ever. So man up and admit what every man likes to do, BLOW things up. For Gods sake were men we just can't do it in real life anymore without getting arrested.:-)
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... and as far as Politics goes, this whole US fascination with the liberal/hippy versus fascist/christian/patriot argument that they like to bore the rest of the world with on forums is stupid ... from an outside perspective its easy to see their is no difference they are all flavors of the same species "American Politician" . Don't get uptight about politics it will just give you heartbu

You being a liberal has nothing to do with politics its simply who you are accept it and be happy with it. I'm simply saying I can't escape your war protesting type even in a war simulator and this is a war simulator.:-)

Actually it isn't. This is an internet forum. The forum is real, even if the topic under discussion is a simulation. Which is why describing the use of nuclear weapons as 'cool' is going to be controversial. While you play IL-2 you may be in a fantasy world, but as soon as you start discussing it with others, you are in reality. If you don't understand the distinction, you should probably find another hobby.

I think your lost in your thinking, we would not actualy be using any nuclear weapons, Im not sure if you knew that or not. The reality is we do not have access to real nuclear weapons. So your disscussion with others in your real world about the use of nuclear weapons in a simulator is not based in reality. Hate to be the one to inform you of that. I feel like I just told my kids the truth about santa.:-) One more thing discussing a fantasy does not make it a reality unless you act upon it. Does anyone have a nuke here , I didnt think so. So yes we are all in our little fantasy world. Maybe you need to get out more.

Speak for yourself.

In case you hadn't noticed, a considerable proportion of the postings in this thread have been about reality, and about the reasoning behind the actual use of nuclear weapons. Most of the contributors seem able to understand why 'fantasy' and 'reality' cannot be so easily separated. If you can't, I'd suggest that maybe you need to get educated more.

Eh, enough bickering, gents. Whaddya think?

One thing that has not been answered is what the Allies (US in this case) should have done instead of dropping the bomb. This goes out to the people who think it was not needed.

It's one thing to think that nukes are bad, it's another to propose an alternative that would accomplish the same end to the war with fewer deaths.

BTW, what everyone danced around in this thread was the question of whether dropping the bomb was right and moral. The answer to that question is the most important and ties into the question about alternatives.

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Are you not on this forum to read about a simulator. This post did not start out talking about the reasoning behind the actual use of nuclear weapons. It started out with a question of would they be modeled. I think you need to take your medicine now. You twisted this tread because you have nothing better to do. Read your first Post:-), You started this arguement.

Hunden, are you completely incapable of understanding why this debate arose? Or are you just too comfortable in your fantasy world to look outside? If I 'twisted this thread' then so did all the others who entered the debate on the A-bombings of Japan. Xilon proposed that the A-bombs should be modelled because they were actually dropped on Japan. This is what makes IL-2 a simulator, rather than just a fantasy game. A simulation of war needs to reflect reality, not ignore it. If you find this uncomfortable, play World of Warcraft instead.