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As with many like you, you can't tell the truth about the shortcomings of this sim without lame protectionist arguments to hide the problems. Perhaps I should calibrate my monitor LOL. Oh and BTW, Ubisoft is still advertising DX11. http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o.../key-features/ LOL. |
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Alpha, beta who cares, what was released was 90% Crap, 9 months down the line and its 50% crap. Yes i can play the game but it still stutters and crashes to desktop every 10 mins which frankly is appalling.
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The next patch will tell much about the future of this game. MUCH has been promised so it will be interesting to see what's delivered. Track record has been very unimpressive IMO. I was playing ROF the other day and I must say that while not perfect in many ways it does feel like you are in the moment. With CLoD it is pretty to look at but very little else as far as immersion. I'm talking about the SP mode which is what I play. I think the AI is one of the biggest problems. When you are on the enemy's six and he starts darting around I hit Esc. .:(
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The next patch will make an improvement that's for sure but don't expect this title to be finished because i don't think it will be..
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ACE, Luthier him self said COD had a Exe crashing problem, mine crashes every time i try and play and i have a top of the range PC.
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You seem to be under the impression that I said there are no bugs! Which is not true at all! All I am saying is that per Maus's definition of bugs CoD does not qualify as being called a 'alpha' product. I hope that helps clear things up for you and allows you to calm down a bit Quote:
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I've never experienced a crash or freeze with COD, but I have a relatively highend system, with very few background programs running. Infact I run COD on a separate SSD with only a copy of Windows 7 64bit, and Hotas peripherals installed on it. My every day computing is done on different HHD. I just reboot my system to the COD SSD whenever I want to fly. Until the sim is better optimized your going to need a very clean fast system to experience less problems other than feature issues. SSD's aren't that expensive anymore. You can easily pick one up under a hundred dollars. Unfortunately combat flight sims have always required high end systems if you want to run it with all the bells and whistles turned on.
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I'm running of a two year old system (specs in signature) and don't have the crashes. It's running as smoothly as IL2 online. (uses to stutter badly in IL2 especially when there was any Flak!) Cheers! |
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There are a lot of funny inconsistencies which will hopefully be removed when they put out the new graphics engine. One of the few things I have remembered from my career as a computer programmer is that it's easy to fix an error that can be consistently reproduced. Intermittent errors are the hardest ones to fix. Cheers! |
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Thanks Skoshi and Chivas,
I don't have crashes either, but the stuttering is intermittent and persistent where ever I fly. FPS are brutal over cities and I also have my peripherals on another drive. Funny thing is, I try turning things down and it doesn't make much difference. I will wait to see what the next patch gives us. |
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1) A fps bot waiting for a 'trigger' to start shooting at you from behind a wall 2) A flightsim bot pilot that has to maneuver his plane into position before shooting at you For me it is the #2 Which is why I disagree with your statement.. With regards to games other than flight sims Quote:
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Take SH5 for example.. Many bugs but the game developer has stop all support on the game.. Where as 1C has a track record of supporting its games far beyond what most would consider reasonable.. Granted 1C may not fix the bugs fast enough for some of the X-GEN sound byte att span types out there.. But not too many developers cater to those types anyway.. Other than the occasional fart sound phone app developer ;) |
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I'm the same EL everywhere...
:grin: And it's interesting that when I'm on comms with some of the guys that have had very "vocal" disagreements with me on the forum, it's all good. As to my machine and how it runs the game. 1. Given it's age and specification I had no illusions about running the game at full chat. The fact that I can come close says more about the state of the sim than the state of my hardware. 2. I do have some performance issues, Be Sure. But none that I did not expect in the first place. Offline I can fly over London with only mild stutters, but I can fly through any bridge my Hurri will fit in with smooth contol because the stutters are not that bad. Online, if I'm over Lympne and 9 BR.20s show up with 4 or 5 109s and a fur ball breaks out and flak is all around and the bombs from the Fiats are exploding on the field, then it's a slide show, however, folks with far higher spec machines than mine are having the same issue, so again, I'm not in a twist over it. Any other time all is just fine. 18K to 20K feet with the games amazing view distance and wonderful views from up there is just fine by me. Dogfights against small numbers of aircraft down low over Manston, not an issue. You see Gents, it's all about expectation. My expectations are fairly realistic, given my computer, and past experience with playing the original IL2 10 years ago. So I'm happy at this point. Sure it could be better, but it can always be better, and it will be better in the future. |
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Thing that bugs me is that some people try to excuse the game all the time with the "your rig is not powerful enough for CloD" attitude. I have 8 gigs of RAM in my computer, does CloD use that much? no, not until it's 64-bit. I have a quad core CPU that handles ANY game out there without any hick-ups but CloD struggles, not because it's got super advanced A.I or physics (float planes that can't land on water, Blenheims that dogfights you with F-16 maneuvering, suicide wingmen so on so fourth...) but because it's a poorly made game engine. Ask yourself, why are they overhauling the game engine? |
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And anyone who knows anything about IL-2 should know this! The only thing that will keep that from happening is if enough nay-sayers keep talking this sim down such that new blood (don't know about the 10+ year IL-2 support) will not buy CoD and thus 1C runs out of $ and is forced to stop support Quote:
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On the bright side........
The silver lining is that the system i bought thinking it would easily run CLOD full tilt, now runs all of the other games i play, new and old, in such stunning detail I have no reason to be mad :) With out CLOD I wouldn't have pulled the trigger on such a hefty new rig so soon :) it is a shame though that I may need to be upgrading again by the time all the issues get worked out.
P.S 66 pages of dialog on this topic is just jaw dropping lol anyone who makes it to the end from the start gets a DFC from me :P specs below just tried the game again just now to refresh my memory. I still get stutters at all graphics levels and playable yet not all that exciting game play out of it. and ill beat Ace O Aces to the punch lol I know what I say is subjective. We get it, EVERYTHING in the world is subjective including my silly joking comment that everything in the world is subjective lol any way ill check back in with you guys in a few months and see if anything has changed:) Cheers full specs CASE: Cooler Master Elite 430 CPU: AMD Phenom™II X4 970 Black Edition Quad-Core CASE Cooling: 1x140mm 5x120mm CPU Cooling: CoolerMaster V8 CPU Cooler HDD1: 30 GB Kingston 2.5 inch SATA Gaming MLC SSD (way to small in hindsight) HDD2: 1TB SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (1TB x 2 (2 TB Capacity) Raid 0 MEMORY: Corsair 8GB (2GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel MOTHERBOARD: Asus M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AMD 890FX Chipset Cross Fire Single Monitor (currently 42in Viewable FP 1920x1080 HD TV) OS: Windows® 7 Home Premium (64-bit Edition) POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts - XtremeGear Gaming PS VIDEO: AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe VIDEO2: AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe |
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Yes trying to run CLOD in crossfire or SLI is not good, trying to use FSAA is also not good. Please note that this is nothing to do with the rubbish coding of CLOD its all to do with your rubbish PC or your rubbish software. Also if you see flickering shadows on trees or if you suffer from object 'pop up' or any stutter then this is also down to your rubbish PC or software and nothing to do with the rubbish coding of CLOD. If all your other games run perfectly in the highest resolutions with everything maxed out then its because your PC is rubbish or the software is set up badly.
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I pretty much agree with all that Ace of Ace says. We all have the same game and therefore the same code so any differences in performance can only be down to the different hardware/software configurations we all have. Whether it is lower spec hardware or a combination of hardware that has a conflict somewhere or something with the OS or some app that may have a bearing.
I am sure the developers are testing the game on a range of systems and doing thier damdest to get it running well on as wide a gamut as possible as that is thier responsibility. But it is the nature of PCs and complex programmes that users really need to have some idea of how to get the best out of thier systems. This the main reasom I visit this forum - to glean all the little tips and solutions people are coming up with all the time. I know things change all the time on my system, often for no apparent reason. For instance: Originally nVidia control would not retain Launcher.exe in its list of apps. Then suddenly Launcher.exe stayed in the list and settings applied to it seemed to stick even if not fully working. Now after a month or two it has suddenly gone again. To be honest I see little point in worrying too much about such things untile the actual engine is finally finished and stable as there will always be a danger of chasing your tail. It is a case of being patient, remaining enthusiastic and looking forward to the finalised sim and its sequels. |
There are facts, and there are opinions. Facts are that there is a "lot of bad code" in CloD, in Luthier's own words.
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...10&postcount=1 Then everyone is free to promote CloD despite the issues, to avoid loosing the only WWII CFS today on shelves. But without denying or minimizing the issues, as this humiliates and ridiculizes people experiencing those serious issues. Also, we e would like that this promotion effort is borne by the devs, also. Again B6 is a step in the right direction, let's hope that trust will be rebuilt, maybe with a strong patch and a good expansion pack. |
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Those with technical issues please use the technical section of the forum.
To all other forum users, please read the sections in the top of the forum to search for solutions to your problems also, you wont find solutions griping in this thread about the same old thing over and over, as they will be removed and moved to the technical section. Thank you for your understanding and appreciation. Merry Christmas |
What's another year...?
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A twidde of the knobs perhaps. Wouldn't expect any really significant changes for a good while yet though.
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So when is the patch out then!?
Sorry just a bit fed up with evasiv answers, on the 18 Nov should have been to an Alpha state... or so Luthier adviced us,... and... the Beta "within the reach"! What is the situation actually now?...This is a question to the devs, pls do not post if you do not have any conclusiv info!
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The patch that was going to increase FPS by 50% as run into some problems, Luthier as now employed someone who doesn't speak English to tell us all about it and keep us posted. So far we have been thanked for all the fish and learnt that Oleg's old desk is not legal.
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If there was conclusive info, don't you think you'd have found it during your exhaustive search of the forums? There is no conclusive info, it's done when it's done.
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Patch is due this friday be sure!
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When is Battle for Moskow out? That is when your getting a patch - and it wont be for Clod.
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This is what I feared all along carguy :(
From the first patch i knew that we would end up having to pay for our major game fixing patch if we wanted our game to run. I bet for those who don't buy BoM, the patch will be yet another unhealthy long wait after BoM's release, forcing people to buy. I support MG and have done from the start of IL2 by buying all there products and more some, but I don't trust MG or 1C at all now after such a poor show here. For me, NO patch before BoM = NO more support for MG |
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Icarus and other complainers
Your whines and complaints in previous postings have been deleted more than once. Your complaints have been read and noted by all concerned persons. You should realize by now you aren't going to solve anything with repeated negative postings, except a possible ban of youself. We all know the score, and we've read so many negative speculations and rants. Luthier and the team are doing what they can to fix and repair issues. Making best use of the dev team is more efficient with production of additions to COD as issues are being patched. It's all about managing resources efficiently, even though some think COD has to be perfect before moving onto new things. COD will never be perfect, just as IL2 has never been perfect. If you can't refrain you should really just go somewhere else and do something else. Drop by every day or so to learn of any developments, but most importantly keep your cool. It doesn't matter what you say or how you say it. The dev team is still working on future patches and improvements of COD and additions to the COD. The developers cannot release a constant barrage of patches for things you want fixed. Each patch will bring improvements for some people, but may not fix issues othere are having. Moderation of negative postings is about to change. Please be advised many members in good standing are demanding stricter moderation of troublesome posters.:rolleyes: |
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This is really sad. Since when is telling a developer that if they don't fix certain parts of a game, that they won't buy a sequel a banworthy offense? As unpleasant as it might be for them to hear, it would seem like important info for them to know. Granted, some are more nasty than others, but it has gotten to the point where even a well constructed negative post is met with harsh responses provolking even more negative feelings.
Silence has never accomplished anything in this world. So lets face some facts: :CLOD was one of the worst "perceived" flight sim launches in recent history :Just about everyone said the same thing, tons of potential, but don't worry, they will fix it. To us in the flight sim world, that meant they will patch it. :If 1C forces players to buy a sequel before fixing some fundemental things, they will lose customers...a lot of them. I'm not talking just about the "whiners" (as anyone who has a problem is labeled) I'm also talking about people that have never been on a forum and when seeing a sequel will just remember "CLOD never ran very good and was missing some stuff so I'll pass" You may call me a whiner if you like, but the fact is I want CLOD to succeed. I took a quick flight an hour ago and the cockpits and feeling of flight is unrivaled IMO. As good as it is though, I will not purchase a sequel until a decent amount of things are fixed...it doesn't have to be near perfect, just better. |
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I am sorry I seemed to have missed the well constructed post through all the tears and toy throwing....
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Its not the statements, its the constant drip-drip repetition that is getting many of us fed up with hearing it. As for icarus, we have been told there will be a patch so "no patch=fail" (again!) is meaningless and irritating and it is also expected that the sequel will bring with it more core improvements for the total game. The "no patchers" need to be patient. None of us like it but thats the way it is. And no-one is forcing anyone to buy a sequel. I would hope that a patch would be released to cover any "sequel" core improvements for those that don't buy it. |
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Maybe i should ask Blacksix this question, but why cant they release patches daily?, if they fix the radio comms then they can release a patch, if they fix the LOD/plane dissapearing issue, release a patch, down to the smallest grammar or spelling error, it doesnt matter, they can just release a patch, surely thats one of the great things about having a game on steam isnt it, it doesnt trouble anyone when they release patches on steam, open steam, CLOD auto updates, same as any other game on steam which recieves regular fixes. |
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if they mess things up (would be difficult), then they can release a patch to fix it, thats how simple it is, thats what they do with hundreds of other games on steam, and i would have thought along with greater distribution that was one of the major reasons behind the decision to use steam ion the first place.
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As klem says, it's the drip drip drip. Not to pick on any one person or topic, but there's a post here regarding getting CoD as a gift for your friends. The original poster may have had perfectly good intensions, but a topic like that is like chum in shark infested waters for some of the naysayers. To be fair, some of us 'faithful' can be pretty argumentative too and need the same warning. With almost 9 months of the same drip drip drip I don't blame the frustration on the moderators. We've gone though probably 5/6 since 2008ish. Most only lasted a few weeks. nearmiss has been here like forever. |
Will we get the patch before Christmas?
:confused: If not some proper info on development/time scale wiil be appreciated!:)
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It would be nice if all we got was a fix for the multiplayer CTD's... Multiplayer guys seem to be last on the list though so I doubt it. I can't see any patch comming this side of Christmas. Dont forget Russians have christmas holidays too :-P
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BETA.......PERHAPS !
STEAM no. And just remeber, russian christmas is january 7 ;) and from 31.12.11 till 9.1.12 is holiday season. |
Without clouds and weather? No thank, i'm not interested anymore in a sunny Channel.
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Well, first the game ran so badly no-one could play it, then after a long wait we had a patch that made it playable(ish) but with no sound in multiplayer, game shelved for me. After a few more fixes and tweaks we finally got a patch that fixed the no sound in multiplayer, but in doing so crashed (My) PC every 30 mins or so, (game shelved again). Am I going to stop moaning? No im not, Im going to keep dripping until the product I paid for is fixed, and I have every right to do so.
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Tree_UK, do you really believe that you are not on the ignore-list in Moskau?
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You guys are talking to the wind...
Icarus, Force10 and Tree_Uk are http://www.searchcowboys.com/images/upload/banned.jpg See this post if you need an understanding http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=683 |
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