Well surely these days it is neccessary.Sorry I come from online wars where everyone records tracks of their missions.

Thx, i know how to post tracks.


Just for future referance, what will we be "obliged" to do after u modders get the hack cheat tracks?

Will we be forced to prove Santa exists?


First Eula then No DVD crack and now track proof......whats next?


Again.....i (we) dont need to do anything......"U" people however need to get your heads glued back on.


BTW. will i post tracks?.........LOL, dont think so. (and i wonder what responses ill get because of that....iiiii woooooonder) LOL

Ya know, I think it is time for all those claiming cheating to actually prove same.

Some seem to think a simple statement of "cheating is rampant online" makes it so and I have not seen a single claimant offer proof.

I use the sound mod and have tried to join no mod servers with check runtime2 in their game description, not to cheat but to see if it works and it does, I cannot join.

Baron, you are not obliged to do anything but if I claim cheating and I have the means to prove it, I would.

So you cannot substantiate your unproven allegations.I don't want you to post your 'proof of cheating using the hack' tracks for me only,as I think its important that you do it for Oleg at 1C.Don't you want to do that for Oleg?
as for the other things you mentioned,yes the EULA thing was shown to be invalid,and yes,after you posted that link for me, about the no cd/no dvd fiasdo,I posted another part of that thread to show you were mistaken but you must have missed it because you did not respond.
Anyway i don't want to go off topic here,so please post your 'cheating using the hack' tracks for Oleg and the others here.You will then be able to substantiate your arguments about online cheating for us all.

The hackers as usual have got this point about "proof" arse about face.

1. They have to prove to the legal community that no-one is altering the FM/DM files (which believe me is EASY to do).

2. They have to prove that no-one is "tweaking" the FMs just enough to give them a distinct advantage which is difficult to both see and prove.

3. They have to prove that no-one is flying with no cockpit and or 6dof in cockpit on servers.

4. They have to prove that no-one is making friendly a/c camouflaged and enemy flourescent.


5. How many more of the hacks open to the hackers shall I post?


6. No-one has "proven" ANYTHING about the EULA other than it is a legally compliant article, there are NO court appointed judges in this forum with the legal authority to make ANY judgement about legally binding contracts.

7. It is not for the legal members of the community to prove ANYTHING, it is for the illegal hackers to prove their arguments that their hack does not enable them to cheat PERIOD.



You guys are talking BS and you know it, while its easy to see the obvious hackers with ultra-uberised FMs (and there are PLENTY), its the sneaky buggers using the "slightly tweaked" FM and the visibility hacks that are killing the legal game for sure, and strangely you hackers tend to avoid discussing those particular hacks....I wonder why?

Well as said I have not seen any cheating in the servers I play on.As people said they have proof,it follows that we would like to see it.
Don't know whats wrong with that polite request.

Well perhaps you should have read the whole thing so that you could get your facts straight, with all due respect.... Look man.... I am not talking about embracing the mods.. or hacks or whatever. I have never embraced them.. all I am saying is to keep going on and on over the same ground about them is pointless.. they are here... and they aren't going anywhere and the only ones who can change that are O & 1C and until they do, going on and on about the morality or legality of the mods and those who use them does nothing. Thats all I am saying... I personally, although there are some that sound like they would be good.. (No pun intended) have not and as of this moment still do not intend to DL any of them... but to abandon the sim, or online play or to keep this same back and forth thing going on the pros and cons going adds nothing to the situation to alter any of the facts.. and those facts are that the sim is hacked... and only 1C can fix it. Thats all I am saying.. and if for whatever reason they chose not to whether it be time constraints or the phases of the moon then the facts will remain as they are today and all this silly back and forth nonsense will not change that so move beyond that.. I think the fact that I have not used any of them says more than my words about what I think of them and whether or not I have "embraced them".....

Those subtle hacks have been available since before the sound mod and other things it made available arrived, the vendetta you are on arrived with it.

Where was all the outrage before?

well it is obviously too complicated for you so i'll try to take it down to your level of understanding: just because things are legal it doesn't make them right ! Simple enough or i shall draw pictures for you ?

Probably because the overwhelming majority of IL2 players have absolutely no interest at all in what happens in dogfight server rooms...Something that only affects a tiny (though heaven knows, a very vocal) minority.

To the vast majority of players - what a few "win at all costs" players choose to do in a handful of "come as you are" open access stat driven dogfight servers, has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their day to day enjoyment of this game.

No, we are just asking for proof that people are cheating by using te mod. Nothing more. You can't just say something an expect everyone to belive you. It doesn't work like that.


Yes...you do, you need to prove(sp) your claim that people are cheating using the mod. As I said above, you cant just say something then expect everyone to belive you. And yes, we do have our heads glued on. Thanks for your concern tho :)


And with that sentance your credability has just gone right out the window.

Modders said "mods wont effect online gaming" long ago...looks like the ball is in your corner?


I and others said " seen unexplained things resently"


I think u missread: "We" can present tons of evidance...wont make one bit of differance to the hackers." as me saying there are tons of evidance...iv said "iv seen wierd stuff latly"

Dont make it out like im the sole person claiming/ saying anything about cheats online, i didnt...putting it on me to prove it, i said "iv seen wierd stuff online latly" U wanna make something out of it you`ll just piss me off again, got it!


Its NOT about Eula, its NOT about No DVD crack, its NOT about online cheats...it has everything to do with dissrespect and illigaly cracking the game code. Everything else is semantics and hair splitting. So help me god if u say "Eula says is not illigal"..... ill nuke your PC if u do. LOL


U people cant be bothered with register on say "Warbirds of Pray" to look at trcks....but u want us to bother with register on say "Filehost" to post tracks just to prove a moot point?...are u seriouse?



And about No DVD crack..u confuse me with somone else, i never posted a link about that, somone else did.


Read me loud and clear, please...I have no desire whatsoever in proving anything in what is a moot point, i realy dont care what u or any other modder think about that. WE dont need to do anything, that wont change however much u want it to.


By all means...we can continue splitting hairs with what ever u think is relevant to the issue at hand......still wont change facts.


Fact: Modders/hackers are wrong (cant belive i even have to type it out)...and we aint. Deal with it.



Oh, and the "cheating using hacks" is a nice tuch, it really is....ever concidered politics..LOL

Wow......u just decided to jump on the band wagon without using your 2 grey cells didnt u.


Move along.

I don't think that the online community, even the ones that prefer DF servers is a "a tiny (though heaven knows, a very vocal) minority". That is one of the myths that is fostered by those who have no problems with the mods. Most of the offline only fliers are not online.. meaning they aren't even here so we really don't know their numbers without figures from UBI... The guys who come here and prefer to fly offline are not the entire offline community... Not only that as someone earlier posted.. I think that because of technological improvements that there are more onliners than there were when that original statement was made by Oleg @ 4 or 5 years ago. Also... it is not just in DF servers... online flying is not just DF servers.. it is coops too... don't forget that... What makes you think that if someone were inclined to cheat that they would only do so on a DF server?

As for mods and cheating.. Not all those who use the mods are cheaters... that is also a fact.... but all those who are inclined to cheat will and do, not only here but in any kind of online competitive venue, use mods to do so if they are available.

Well, guys, I guess that ends that, Baron has declared victory and we all know that what he says is fact, eh?

So instead of forming a reply to counter my post, you decide to insult me.

Wow...arnt you the intelligent one *clap* *clap* *clap* :rolleyes:

Baron yes I did confuse you with someone else sorry.I don't think issuing threats is really necessary but still,maybe thats how things are done where you live.
I don't really know how to answer your question about me providing proof of no cheating?I suppose I could post a few 'no cheating' tracks.If you want some let me know.

yup, his arguments are really strong ...

Arnt they just.

Rock solid arguments yes.

LOL...ur just to much, u really crack me up. LOL

one more argument i can't deny ...

Wow.


Are u modders running out of "valid" arguments?

LOL..i wish.




Oh, Uther....please point me to where i made a threath towards u..please. (exactly those kind of remarks thet really pisses me of)

Nope, we are still awaiting your proof ;)

stop man, please ... you are so much better than us ... have mercy ..... we aren't in your league .....

Reread my post to Uther...and read it right this time.

What else is new?

...the emperors new clothes...

I still cannot understand why you will not post proof to back up your claims of online cheating.Its not just you Baron,its the others who have claimed seeing online cheating using the hack.Surely Oleg needs to know so he can fix it.
Maybe you are a cheat and do not want anyone to know? Is that it,are you a fifth columnist Baron?

quote: Dont make it out like im the sole person claiming/ saying anything about cheats online, i didnt...putting it on me to prove it, i said "iv seen wierd stuff online latly" U wanna make something out of it you`ll just piss me off again, got it!


Its NOT about Eula, its NOT about No DVD crack, its NOT about online cheats...it has everything to do with dissrespect and illigaly cracking the game code. Everything else is semantics and hair splitting. So help me god if u say "Eula says is not illigal"..... ill nuke your PC if u do. LOL /quote

You are going to 'nuke' my pc? How? do you have some sort of virus programme? Are you a hacker?

I did read it right. To quote you ''Ive seen some weird stuff''. I request proof of this weird stuff.

See, I did read it right ;)

All things conciderd Uther....i had higher oppinions of u than that...untill now.


And asking if im a cheater because i wont post tracks or try to prove anything to u boneheads is way out of line.


Higher oppinions...untill now.

Baron you had a very low opinion of me before,but that bothers me not a bit.You asked t me to show you where you had threatened me.I showed you where you threatened me.
Its easy.You ask for proof,I show you that proof.

This thread would benefit greatly if we all ignored Barons posts. They are non constructive and do not add anything useful. Agreed?

By the way there is a French proverb that says “No use being a bigger Royalist than the king!”

What Oleg, and 1C, allegedly said so far is that he disapproves of anything that gives the user an unfair advantage online.

I approve of that.

Game...set...match!!!!

I agree Viking but I have to respond to direct threats and abuse.Surely you would do the same.

As you might have understood there is no way to reach some of the posters so just drop it. I have.

Yes but I am quite worried that I have been threatened on this forum.someone has said they will 'nuke my pc'. what can I do? Does anyone have a link to a good antivirus programme?
I would hate for some hacker to get in my pc?
would a firewall help?
Is he allowed to threaten me?

http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5
Is free and good. Activate Windows firewall.
Please only discuss the Mod here and refrain from personal stuff.

I'm still waiting for the proof that hackers are not flying online in coops/wars/DF servers using all of the many advantages the hack enables them to use.

As I mainly fly COOPS or Warclouds servers I tend to keep away from the main culprits in the DF servers BECAUSE of the the OBVIOUS hacking that is going on in many of them at the minute.

As I see the pro-hack types have simply chosen to ignore my last post and not address any of the issues(too tricky to deal with eh?) I raised, this is jus a gentle reminder....


still waiting guys.........


in case you simply missed it here are the main points:

The hackers as usual have got this point about "proof" arse about face.

1. They have to prove to the legal community that no-one is altering the FM/DM files (which believe me is EASY to do).

2. They have to prove that no-one is "tweaking" the FMs just enough to give them a distinct advantage which is difficult to both see and prove.

3. They have to prove that no-one is flying with no cockpit and or 6dof in cockpit on servers.

4. They have to prove that no-one is making friendly a/c camouflaged and enemy flourescent.


5. How many more of the hacks open to the hackers shall I post?


6. No-one has "proven" ANYTHING about the EULA other than it is a legally compliant article, there are NO court appointed judges in this forum with the legal authority to make ANY judgement about legally binding contracts.

7. It is not for the legal members of the community to prove ANYTHING, it is for the illegal hackers to prove their arguments that their hack does not enable them to cheat PERIOD.


I see they are now trying to muddy the waters further by posting more threads demanding proof, maybe they should actually post the proof to the questions above first and some of us might take them a bit more seriously(not).

This was a hot thread this weekend...Evgeny will be doing alot of reading come morning....I bet Monday's are not his favorite

Well considering some of the disgusting personal attacks by certain pro-hackers I can't for the life of me see any further reason to attempt debate, mainly because they simply seem to have forgotten to answer any of the points raised, by many members here.

They are in a corner, they know it, and like rats they will attack anyone , frankly the longer it goes on the less and less credible they become.

Over and out.

From what ive seen Wulf, most of the attacks have come from the anti-hackers side, mainly Baron.

This is a track I recorded of me flying on the RCAF-FB server In a bf-109G2 with a 250 bomb slung underneeth. This track is to try an proove that although I use the sound mod, as well as others, (full list below this sentance), I didnt use it to hack. To be honest I cant see how you could/can hack with the sound mod. Someone please explain.

List of mods I use:

Sound mod.
Smoke pack.
nav lights an smoke pack
Longer visibility for smoke an fires.

Link to track:
http://rapidshare.com/files/77059704/online.zip.html

I think that the average Joe using the sound mod is not looking to cheat anyone, but at the same time, other's are! Those who have taken the time to create their own mods, and maybe share with friends. Now I'm sure that"s a very small number in the sceme of on-line players, but still, they are out there. Enough to ruin the on-line game for anyone that falls victim....look at Ivan's experience

I agree with you. The larger of the majority don't use the sound mod to gain the upper hand in online play. And as you say, there are other do will, which again I agree with whole hartedlly. But then again there were people modding an hacking, then using these hacks in online play long before the sound mod ever came around. What's the differance between then & now?

Probably not much at all....maybe a a few dozen more actors in the mix. I have said that lots of fun can still be had on-line. People just need to play, and enjoy it while they wait for sow

No truer words have ever been spoken :)

WOW, words of wisdoom to live by!

Baron, could you apologise for calling JG52Uther bonehead? Hope you'll behave decently and apologise for the words that you said, i believe, in affect.

Ehy Evgeny,

I like your style.

Insuber

make allegations then you have to prove them, the burden of proof rests with whomever makes an allegation. modders have posted how they have tried out checkruntime=2 servers and have been blocked. so bearing that in mind, what could they post?

and as far as personal attakcs go, the only one i've seen is the "i'll nuke ur pc" a few pages back. for what it's worth, it has always been possible to cheat in vanilla il-2 by simply fiddling with the sound setting to get that sound radar thing...

think you are referring to the anti modders with that sentiment... if you were shown a clean track and told that there was cheating in it, when there was in fact none, you would still come away with a bulletpointed list of cheating seen it in wouldn't you

in the united states, bonehead is a complement, now if he had called him a "meathead" well thats another matter

rubbish

checkruntime=2 doesnt block anything, it might have done on the initial hack, but not now. and that is the exact problem, there is no hack block whatsoever anymore.

at least try and be up to date if you are going to try and correct him

Yes it does still block.

Tried to enter many servers yesterday, UK Dedicated 1+2 being two of them & got blocked by the checkruntime=2 thing.

your behind the times CKY, get some of your pro hack chums here to give you the later hack versions, and maybe read this treads earlier posts where all of that was confirmed.

and for those hack kids who seem to be deaf dumb and blind to olegs opinion on all this, in spite of his other open statements he made showing how damaging all this hack nonsense is.

from a recent russian forum post by oleg...

"В общем так. Будет 4.09, но не знаю еще когда. Там будет защита от хакеров нового типа. Вопрос в том, что это может иногда ухудшить скорость передачи данных. Мы могли это сделать и раньше, но не делали именно поэтому.
Мы могли вообще все на компьютере юзера проверять, но это было бы противозаконно (хотя наиболее просто и действенно...).
В общем мешают нам нормально БоБ-ом заниматься... Готовились только дополнение выпустить, а теперь придеться отложить... пока не сделаем, что сказал.
Не люблю я читеров.... И Ил-2 не предназначался для моддеров... Поэтому так долго и живет в онлайне..."

roughly translates as.... (ivan can maybe be more accurate)

"So - there'll be 4.09 patch, don't know how soon yet. 4.09 patch will have protection from this hack, but it will sometimes increase traffic load. We could do it before, but did not do it for this reason.
The easiest way - do some checks at client side, it will be very effective but illegally.
All this problems delay readiness of addon for IL-2 and BOB"
Also, Oleg said that he don't like cheaters and Il2 was not supposed to have mods. That's why it popular in online long time.


did the hack kiddies miss the points oleg made ?
- its delaying work on BoB !
- its delaying the 4.09 release for the rest of us
- the hack crap will be closed again shortly, so go back under the rock where you came from, and stroke eachother there without bothering the rest of us with your juvenile crap
- hacking files results in cheating online, and this makes il2 less popular in online use
- the new hack fix will increase BW demands, and could make it much harder for low BW people to play online

http://carguy.w.interia.pl/tracki/bagdad_bob.gif


"Please let me state the obvious. I have contacted Oleg MAddox. We have come to the following conclusions.
There is no cheating on online servers. Vanilla users are just jealous. There is no reason to think that CRT=2 is inneffective. Every mod user plays online only with the sound mod enabled. Online play is untouched while the game benefits greatly from the mods"

I took your advice an installed the latest version of the sound mod. I again tried to join UK Dedicated 1+2 & I can confirm the checkruntime=2 block is still there.

But it can't be cky_86, zapatista said it does not work anymore?
How would he know this anyway?
Is there more to this than he is telling us?
Do you have a version zapatista that bypasses CRT=2?
Actually don't tell us,we should not discuss it on the forum.

12.12.07

it's not really promoting when they are simply replying to the idea that mod can get through checkruntime=2.
if you can't win an argument through the weight of evidence then cry foul and take your ball home?

@BC – Look, sorry if I was too strong in my statements, but that`s how it is… besides, I am perfectly aware of your "position on the matter" mate, you seem to find a new home at hackers forum along with Quazie, which is rather disturbing. But don’t you mind me ;)

@Others – what I find amusing that people that asking to post prove (tracks) are the same people that PERFECTLY aware of what they are capable of… let`s not play kiddies games, why don’t you guys show off your capabilities. I am sure you can amaze us all.
Folks, you are failing to understand one thing… those who fly 4 cannon I-16 or whatever are obvious and easy to expose, they are the list of my concerns. Think bigger - small, almost invisible advantages, that will ruin your flying experience… added few km/h here and there, just enough to pull away when needed (but hey, I had good speed to begin with) or changed ammo belt, or altered DM..(dude, you cannot shot for sh$$t) See thru plane components… I can go on and on… You are asking to post the obvious… that`s easy to see and maintain… Try to spot little things. They are the most harmful. When source becomes free for all, game is over. I don’t need to see 1000 examples of some “other” sims that supposedly blossomed because of community input. I don’t buy any of those… Right or wrong – as long as developer in control, game is not jeopardized, end of story. Once it`s out to public, maintaining purity of the game/sim becomes problematic, near impossible… Why? Human nature – MUST WIN AT ALL COSTS. Everything else is secondary.

P.S. stop hiding in your little forum, if you have something to say, say it here. I do read it but dont think for a second that i will register there ;)

Well the same goes for you Ivan! If they have something to say to you over there why you bring it over here?

Sound Hack Lerche ntrks

Checkruntime=2 does NOT mean you are flying in a fair and hack free server.

Translation of the earlier post.
Playerx is not smart enough to get his hack into CRT=2 room, therefore no cheating exist. Please stop trying to prove to us your lack of intelligence. The modders/hackers are well aware of how easy and common it is.

These tracks were made yesterday by going in about a dozen popular HL servers including checkruntime=2. Permission was asked of some of the servers and an admin was brought along on some.
*The language/reaction in chat was to offensive to post all ntrks

http://rapidshare.com/files/77216729..._408m.zip.html

Ho Ho Ho

hiding? you mean browsing without registering ... or registering with dif. nick... so you can use mods and still preach here against?

No, i meant discussing what crazyivan said on this forum. Appriciate your sense of humor BTW. ;)

well, as you can see i'm using the same nick in every forum so there is no hiding ... and m8 you are celebrity in IL2 community so we must discuss you ....

We are not allowed to,its against the forum rules.No promoting of the hacks.I won't promote them,so I am not breaking any rules.You lost all credibility with me ivan when you slunk away from the ubi forum and started laying into the other mods ,who at least stayed and tried to bring some order to this mess.Obviously Targ soon stopped that,as thats how things are done on that forum.This is not the ubi forum,and if Oleg is happy with open discussion,then thats the way it should be.I am sure someone could cheat in an online server if they wanted to.Thats not the point.I want to see the proof everyone says they have.You say you were shot down by an i16 with mk 108s.Lets see the track.Or did you mistake them for the green lasers that the I16 has as standard?

Dont make me laugh Uther. Really.

And ask me if i care that i lost credibility Uther.. i really dont. I dont answer to you or anyone here for that matter. I did my job for 5 years there.. and did not run as you claim. I have other priorities in life. Besides, just so you know, they only reason i stayed there for this long because i was asked to, not because i wanted to. If you dont believe me, ask, you know who i am sure ;) And if you think that i dont care about IL-2 or this community, think again. It`s easy to throw words around, you know...lost credibility, bluh bluh bluh...

I dont owe you anything Uther and once again, not obligated to prove anything... i saw what i saw, and you think that i could misplace green tracers for MK108s - you need a reality check. Mkey? :D

Unfortunately I am asking for proof in this forum.Thats the point.Anyone can cheat if they want to.Thats not news.I want to see the proof,that so many say they have,appear on this forum.Now they are saying that the cheats are too small to notice.
So,how did you notice them then?

I dont have prove Uther, i never recorded tracks and not intend to... if i go fly, it`s for pure enjoyment, not for the witch hunting.

so this is witch hunting after all .... thank you very much !

Heya all. My first message on this forum. Seen sone of you guys in HL too (hello Uther! ;) ) but most of you are completely unknown.

Come on guys. 70 pages of "yes no yes no"? :D

Dunno if its true anymore, but isnt it possible to mod only cockpits and sounds?


Anyway. I fly mostly AFW, hosting every mission myself. I know I should take tracks from every flight but I dont. One good way to avoid getting cheated is to fly only with guys you know... Like I always kick 300 and 317 guys from my games. "Why me kick???!?!?" :cool:

As long as we dont have(probably till the end of times, crazyivan?) a system like bunkbuster thats about the only thing you can do... Take it easy, nobody's cheating as long as you cant prove it CLEARLY. I dont either. ;) ;) ;)

Punkbaster is something requested by publisher or done by him, more or less... not something devteam does. Having it in IL2 is pretty much out of the question. Oleg made it pretty clear, they dont have time to change anything on file level.. I sure hope that they have time to do effective server side check in 4.09...

What`s the matter fly_zo, you feel violated by my statement? :D

nah man , i'm just having fun here ....

and its official than , all this is just a witch hunt ?

Looks that way zo.

By the way Baron,I am still awaiting your apology.

http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/jpgs/villager.jpg

HE'S A WITCH!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freudian_slips

We all know it but here is the proof!

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6491/logohk5.jpg

Man I loved that show.

Remember the episode where sabrina went on that field trip to Salem, you know? An then libby started accusing her of being a witch?

Ahh good times, good times.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e2.../witchhunt.jpg

and they are flying this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...er/109Fjpg.jpg

Bill, you have ruined the UBI Zoo forums with your Stasi Methods, please leave it there and not here.

I used to enjoy reading your post's, but now, my opinion of you has changed. For the worse I may add.


DerAlte

Im sry Evgeny, dont wanna start debating with u since u seem to have your hands full as it is.

I did not call Uther a bonehead....i called "them" boneheads for laying the responsebility of proving cheats in my lap.....since when did that become my job?

I will however accept an appoligy from said person for basicly calling me a cheater and a "5:th columnist" becasue i wouldnt "prove" anything. Since when was it his job to decide the rules of this topic?

It wouldnt suprise me however, if that said person now will claim that i also threthened him by saying "ill nuke your pc if u do. LOL".....notice the "LOL"

If said person cant take a joke, thats his problem, but he decides to turn it to my problem by accusing me of either that or this.....and i wont stand for it.

Sure iv used harsch language at times, but as far as i can see iv allredy appolegized once before....wich is more than i can say for anyonelese on the "other" side.

And just so u know, the only reason i reply on this issue is out of respect for u as a moderator, nothing more. I cant/wont reply to anything said person posts in the future. I cant bring myselfe to keep a straight face anymore when i read the "things" that comes out of theese peoples heads, i really cant.

Im sry if i make things hard for u now, but if it helps, ban me

Just apologise Baron and be done with your excuses already....

LoL..that was one of the "Iv seen some freaky stuff online latly" thingy.

Thx for the tracks.


Did u use any mods yourselfe when flying on those servers? Reason im asking is because i saw some reactions directed at u to this weekend.


Intrestingly......no response from the all knowing squad as of yet.



What a shocker.

Check the other thread.

"These tracks were made yesterday by going in about a dozen popular HL servers including checkruntime=2. Permission was asked of some of the servers and an admin was brought along on some.
*The language/reaction in chat was to offensive to post all ntrks

So "Santa" got permissiom to use an old old hack that's been around forever, WoW outstanding evidence! Outstanding evidence of just how far down in the barrel the anti-modd community will reach by trying to manafacture evidence they can't find for real but claim that is all over the servers.. :)


What a shocker...

No presents for you this year Santa.

Now what i dont get is why would anyone put mk108s on an I-16 when the green lazers are more capable of taking a plane down at 1000 meters then a mk 108 is at 100 meters

So Baron you think you can do what you like,call me a bonehead,and threaten to 'nuke my pc'.
Apologise as Evgeny asked you to.

With all due respect, Zapatista, stuff your 'hack kiddie' slur up your own rosey red arse.

You continue to fling that insult out, and yet there is already one poll on the Unmentionable Site that proves that 'you is wrong'. I am neither a kiddie, nor could i hack my way out of a wet paper bag. The term 'hack kiddie' is also a misnomer for the vast majority of people who are more open to modding on that site - aside from the fact most wish they were kids again perhaps. If you want to keep things civil, 'pro-modder', or 'differently oriented IL-2 fan' will suffice.

If the insults keep getting thrown out, Evgeny should do as he has promised and start removing people exit Stage Left for the good of the civility of the forum, no matter how sensitive or righteous the topic is. How about it, Evgeny, a little balance here?

IL-2 add ons.. hmm. Maybe if anounced properlly there would be no hack....

Self moderated. nt worth a fight.

Still Oleg could set up a team to deliver legal new IA flyable planes with existing cockpits.

CKY_86

I can enter UK dedicated at anytime and use the "sound mod" as a way to cheat.

You implied the CRT=2 blocks sound mod cheaters... I'm letting you know that it does not block them all. Just because you don't know how, doesn't mean its not happening.

If you look at the ntrk I posted I was able to choose and fly the Lerche in any server I wanted (go to external views and you can see it fly in one or more of the tracks)... including those with CRT=2

Its not a trick track, it wasnt changed afterward and it wasn't done by making some file read only like someone else suggested.

A Lerche was used to make it obvious. The chat was used to see if the players in the server felt it was a cheat....obviously they did. I wanted to make sure that they saw it...not only on the scoreboard but also in the game. If nobody could verify it was there...then the track would have been a waste if time.... Actually, it was a waste of time for some people.

What was said in chat, doesnt change the fact that a plane considered to be a cheat, by the players on the server....was able to fly.

CKY_86 if you would like to PM me, maybe we can sync schedules and I'll meet you in UK server for a minute and let you record the track so you know its not a trick????? Although this really doesn't matter. The modders/hackers know that the "sound hack" can be use to cheat in any crt=2 server using many creative ways.

How widespread it is...who knows. The fact that it can be done causes problems and arguing online. (Not just here)

In Summary... checkruntime settings do not guarantee honest play.
(As someone else mentioned... checkruntime should be used... it does help)

In the spirit of Christmas...Maybe every person who has downloaded the "sound hack" is a good honest person. If we all stick our heads in the snow, maybe we can continue to believe that.

***Warning.... Do NOT stick your head in the snow that looks like this forum.

Ho Ho Ho

Happy Holidays to All

thats hypocritical, this thread is full of your posts insulting people, and now you are pretending you dont understand the context of barons text or him adding "lol" at the end of a statement, grow up !

your a little confused about what the 1c forum guideline is about, it specifically warns against "promoting hacking, using obscene language" , and your insult of "stuff it up your own rosey red arse" is exactly what is not allowed here.

the infantile selfishness of the hack promoters here in this forum is the problem that ligitimate users are reacting to, try and focus on this:

its an infantile and selfish because promoting the hack only focuses on the ...me...me...me.... aspect of a small group of people who dont care about the rest of the il2 community, like selfish like little kids not able to understanding the greater ramifications the hack problem has has created, or respecting the wishes of its owner and creator.

it takes a minimum of maturity to be able to look at the broader picture, and that is not being demonstrated here. their promoting the use of the hack and keep trying to pretend it is legitimate and allowed. the whole lot of them, including you if you promote it, should be kicked out of here.

all these arguments about "the sound mod CAN be used to cheat on-line...".... so what?

that doesn't mean that everyone who uses the mod WANTS to cheat....

cars CAN kill...but that doesn't mean everyone driving a car is a killer...

I have been using the mods for months...and am very active in the AAA forums.... I am certainly not lacking in intelligence (IQ=140)...but I do not see anywhere how the anti crowd can claim that it is EASY to hack the FM.... it is certainly not right there in front of your face.... you may have to go looking deep in the files to be able to do so....

and to make those kind of changes requires the use of 'Qtims sfs extractor tool'... which is NOT a part of the mod kit...and has to be got from another source...if you want to use it

I believe that MOST of the people using the mods have just downloaded what is available from the AAA site...and are not interested in making their own

To label everyone who uses the mods as cheats is ridiculous...

But for those who adamantly deny themselves the use of the mods..... you are very soon about to miss out on some of the most interesting work which has been done.......
new maps are in progress.......the Aleutians..... The Slot..... Truk .... N.W.Europe ..... Malta.....
and also a boon for ground pounders... the ability to destroy certain 'objects' with normal strafing ammo...especially the AA gun mounts on warships.... and the small fishing boats

I find the use of the phrase "Hack Kiddie" over and over very telling about Zapatista's true moral nature. It is an obvious abomination of the phrase "script Kiddie" which very few people but true hackers know about.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddies

True hackers refer to these people with disgust just as Zapatista does over and over again in compairing il-2 modders to these people.

What you don't understand is that there's not police online to prevent or punish you for cheating (as there is on the road with your exemple).

So either cheating is impossible because the software prevent it.... or there will be cheat.
Of course not every online gamer is a cheater. But only a very few of them can ruin online play.... just because honest players will loose confidence in online "security", inflamatory wars will begin on forums with peoples accusing other to cheat (wether these accusations are justified or not doesn't matter... accusations have no impact when everybody believes the software is safe, they begin to hurt and instillate the doubt when most believes the software isn't fully safe)... all these leading to a dramatic reduction of the online crowd after some time.

Why is it that everyone assumes that we all are onliners? 95-99% of the users of this sim are offliners and most don’t give a hoot about all the online ranks and points.

I will use what is available in hard and software to make this simulation as realistic and enjoyable as possible and I will ask no one of permission to do so!

A small clique of militant online users have for years dominated and controlled the forum, debating and development of the sim but thanks to the mods the power and control is now in the hands of the users.
This is the biggest shot in the arm that this sim had had in years!

To not exploit this development would be foolish and will seriously hamper the sale and life of the simulation we all care for so much

It can be made better and more realistic for the majority and the minority tries for selfish hierarchical reasons to put a stick in the wheel.

Actually I don't believe these numbers. I know a lot of offliners too, and I think the correct statement should be: " 95-99% of the peoples that purchased this sim are offliners"... most of them having garbaged the game since long time, some of them playing once a month or less, and a few relativelly active (playing at least once a week).
based about the peoples I talked with (in meetings, sim events in RL, etc...), my guess is that the number of active offliners isn't bigger than onliners.

... but in any case, it doesn't matter... offliners got everything's open with the 4.08 hack... they can't ask for more.
So the remaining problem IS with onliners.

And Let me tell you.... as long it doesn't ruin my online play... I don't care. You can do everything you want in your home.
I just hope 4.09 will restore a secure online play, in order to stop a reduction of the online crowd that will decrease if not...

On this one you're totally wrong.
Most of the offline purchasers did buy IL2 originally... then garbaged it. Much less of them bought PF and even less 1946.
The one that did, did it only because there was very active forums + lots of free advertizing with screenshots, movies, Stunt patrol (including in RL meetings), and passionated onliners making demonstrations in various RL events like Sim Salon, etc... All of these done by offliners.
You also forget that a lot of content of IL2/AEP/PF/1946 were donne by modders (a big part of the planes and cockpits, maps, etc...) with official M:1C control, and you got also a lot of skinners, mission creators, online war creators, etc....
A huge part of what's inside and outside the game was done by players.... MOST of them beiing onliners... So the game wont be what it is without the onliners.... it probably would just be a long forgotten sim, just used by a few nostalgics...
... or be the toy of a reduced offline modders crowd... like CFS3 for exemple.

So... you can spit on onliners as much as you want.... the game wont be what it is without them... and would probably have ceased to exist long time ago.