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Ataros

01-08-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos (Post 377206)

If you can enter a server even if you do not have the current patch installed, it is not activated yet ;)

Are you sure? When 2 recent beta patches were tested they were not compatible with previous and next release patches or with each other. In server lobby you could see a warning in red colour "The server uses version ... which is not compatible with your version." It was not possible to join IIRC.

Can anyone join a server with beta patch now? We need a proof to persuade Ilya as he may be not informed correctly by his team as it was a case with coops. I am ready to report the issue at sukhoi.ru if VAC is not working yet indeed.

SEE	01-08-2012 12:20 PM

I couldn't join a server unless the game version was compatible (Beta patch).

I haven't personally witnessed anything to make me think that players are cheating but suprised to read that VAC may not be implemented. I have seen strange behaviour due to lag and in game glitches.

The issue of players triggering Fire extinguishers to kill fps was rumoured in MP chat and TS - this was clearly incorrect!

TomcatViP

01-08-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CWMV (Post 377017)

Its not like that much anymore.
Everyone has acknowledged that many of the FM's were off, and with UP3/DBW and even HSFX5+ new, better, dare I say researched FM's have begun to replace the inferior stockers.
Check out the work of guys like Achen and kwiatek. Very good stuff.

BS!

Experts FM where based on approximated calculation valid only for a Cessna FM. Stop this argument. We give you credits and spent a lot of time to unveil the farce. I don't want to read this anymore.

Regarding Mods WE DIDN'T PAY FOR A MODDED GAME !! So back it away. Un-modded server hve to prevail. Enough of this !

It's funny how the web internet is a synapses killer. Memory is doomed.

I support VAC ASAP !

Devs hve to keep the initiative on the game evolution and a strong ctrl policy is what give this to them in the benefits of ALL.

Ataros

01-09-2012 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackSix (Post 377615)

I thank everyone who responded to our request for help!
I will start to process the data and draw up a report tomorrow.
If you would like your suggestions and bug reports come in the first part, some time still is.

If there is any evidence VAC is not working, please report in this thread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...615#post377615

335th_GRAthos

01-09-2012 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ataros (Post 377712)

If there is any evidence VAC is not working, please report in this thread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...615#post377615

I am sorry Ataros, I do not think we can do that, unless you expect us to voluntary enter the server with a moded game, play long enough (if I understood some posts correctly, it is not a split-second ban but, a long term gathering of data) in order to get banned - or not!
Not to mention the outcry in the forums when I will be posting in the chat "Sorry I beat the §$%& out of you but do not worry, I was flying an über Spitfire..."
I already apologise downing people when in SpitIIa, but this! ROFL

Risky business

I think it is much easier for Luthier to confer with STEAM and tell us than vice versa.
Besides, the whole discussion became for me worthless if it is true that somebody has to play for a long time with a moded game in order for STEAM to identify him as a concecutive user and ultimatively ban him.

~S~

Jugdriver

01-09-2012 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ataros (Post 377712)

If there is any evidence VAC is not working, please report in this thread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...615#post377615

Ataros,

I think you should talk to the ATAG guys, they might have some more insight as to whether VAC is on or not.

JD
AKA_MattE

Ataros

01-10-2012 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jugdriver (Post 377833)

Ataros,

I think you should talk to the ATAG guys, they might have some more insight as to whether VAC is on or not.

JD
AKA_MattE

Quote:

The VAC system detects cheats using cheat signatures, and should a cheat be detected by VAC the offending player will receive a VAC ban.

... VAC is an automated system and server administrators may not impose a VAC ban.

Also forum users advise to buy new cheats and send them to Steam support/admins to have their signatures included in VAC.

Thus I think it works like this:
1) Steam collects data on modified dlls from servers and user reports.
2) These modifications are sorted to cheats / not cheats based on some criteria, algorithms and user statistics.
3) Cheat sigs are included into VAC.

Thus we have to report cheats to have their sigs included faster. I am sure game tracks contain enough data to tell the devs if aircrafts within 20 km radius from the player use modified FMs. Post them in a separate thread and file a request to devs in that thread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...615#post377615 if you are concerned with this issue.
The devs probably will never see this thread we are writing in now.

JG52Uther

01-10-2012 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Ataros (Post 377989)

The devs probably will never see this thread we are writing in now.

Maybe it should be posted here by somebody if it hasn't been asked yet:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28341

TomcatViP

01-10-2012 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Ataros (Post 377989)

I am not as concerned about VAC as others in this thread. I just provided a link where they can report the issues if they think there are ones.

I asked ATAG guys above if they have VAC on. It looks like they are not concerned with this issue either.

Some interesting reading on VAC http://forums.steampowered.com/forum....php?t=2284833
And in general http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...splay.php?f=35

Also forum users advise to buy new cheats and send them to Steam support/admins to have their signatures included in VAC.

Thus I think it works like this:
1) Steam collects data on modified dlls from servers and user reports.
2) These modifications are sorted to cheats / not cheats based on some criteria, algorithms and user statistics.
3) Cheat sigs are included into VAC.

Thus we have to report cheats to have their sigs included faster. I am sure game tracks contain enough data to tell the devs if aircrafts within 20 km radius from the player use modified FMs. Post them in a separate thread and file a request to devs in that thread http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...615#post377615 if you are concerned with this issue.
The devs probably will never see this thread we are writing in now.

Do you mean it's an only passive system ?!!!

OMG in what a dire situation we are !!

Ataros

01-10-2012 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by TomcatViP (Post 377993)

Do you mean it's an only passive system ?!!!

OMG in what a dire situation we are !!

I would not make this conclusion but I am not an expert. Read Steam forum if you are interested. As far as i understand it actively collects information from VAC-enabled servers. This is how it works with all Steam games making most of players happy. Of cause some players would consider situation to be "dire" but this always happens.

Punkbuster which kicks instantly makes more trouble to honest players who can not join servers because of it. Huge number of complains can be found on BF3 forums for instance. Some unlucky players can not join servers for months since release.

Thus we are in a much better situation.

ps. What I also understood from Steam forum, a 1-7 days delay in banning is present to prevent hackers who can break some accounts trying different cheats one by one to find out which cheats can be caught and which can not. This prevents them from reverse-engineering the VAC system.

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