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pah, i love the 109 up to and including the f4 (my fav ride in il2), then its Fw190 all the way for the dark side, lol!

although that siad, i do have a soft spot for the G10.

anyway re Clod, I agree that all of the fighters to some degree are undermodelled except the SpitII, and would like to see this rectified.

at the moment its the Spit MkI thats the most undermodelled imo, save for Dunkirk the 2 stage pitch is just plain wrong, and then there's the boost/fuel.....

Anyway, i guess we should all wait to see what 1c do, as has been pointed out that they are aware of the situation.

I want them to all be modelled correctly (both sides), and it should then be a really close match for either side where the pilot will determine the result, not pure plane advantage.

Trouble is, some will never be quite satisfied, because there are reports for both sides that are slightly out of the ordinary that people will cherry pick to push there own agenda.

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Originally Posted by David198502 (Post 347717)

dont know either because of the same reason.
Edit:
well i tried both sides in 1946, and began flying with spits.
i played with the spitIX 25lbs and became successful pretty fast...until someone said that this plane is a "noobplane" which is extremely overmodeled and a kill therefore is nothing to be proud of.
so i decided to try the "dark" side.i realised really fast that it was almost impossible to fight that plane in a g2, but although i got killed many many times, when i actually killed someone in this spit, the kill was really rewarding...so i stayed in the g2 whenever it was available and tried to learn the ropes of it.
i began to love this plane and the way you have to fight with it.

as cliffs of dover was released i expected accurate flightmodels and therefore really hard fights with those different planes of both sides, but supposedly pretty equally dangerous.so i decided to stay on the dark side and learn all the tactics which lead to success against the beautiful british planes.
unfortunately all the planes are undermodeled...except the spitII
and they arent undermodeled equally....the spitI is slower than the hurri which is really strange.

G2 is an awesome plane is Il2 m8

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Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz (Post 347700)

Here we go again...done and done and done to death

Please OP use the search function m8 your find all the info you need because as you can see this thread will now turn into a flame war on whos right and whos wrong

Spoilsport

:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by MD_Titus (Post 347746)

Spoilsport

:popcorn:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17713394/chomp.gif

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Originally Posted by David198502 (Post 347669)

i dont know on what you are exactly refering to, but if its a gramar mistake, i have to apologize.
english isnt my mothertongue and i expect mistakes in this long post of mine.

Oh, nothing wrong with what you wrote, i agree with it. The FMs really need to be reworked. I just wrote, because the cooling water is interesting, but until a broken wing is not a fatal damage, what can we expect at all the other damage :rolleyes:? Maybe not a big deal, but I was stunned :(

looking a few pages back at the figures posted for in game speeds and percentage they are off from r/l, is this something that is reproduced by a wide number of competent pilots, as in what's the sample size? anyone got figures/speeds outside those ranges posted?

no, it's surely not, considering I made just a quick test a few months ago in a Spit Ia and it behaved exactly as advertised in a real performance graph. That was at a time where those people here had a major rant about why they couldn't reproduce the plane's max speed (as in absolute max) at sea level resp. "at about 1000 feet". Well, they've got that figured out as of now but I wouldn't exactly think of them as test pilots...

109s must be banned on all the servers as they outturn even Hurri. Proved now.
(the gunsight is a track recording bug and I am not the driver)

What is the historical 109 turnrate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G5Be...layer_embedded

/trolling mode off :)

Yes, track recording works online now.

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Originally Posted by Al Schlageter (Post 347698)

Auszüge aus Flugzeugdatenblatt Bf 109 E-1, E-3 nach L.Dv.556/3
http://www.rolfwolf.de/daten/E4/Emil.html

Official documentation for production 109Es is trash. Right, got you.

1.) V0 = 467 km/h
2.) V0 = 467 km/h Werte graphisch
3.) V0 = 467 km/h auf 0 m bezogen!
4.) V0 = 466 km/h

http://www.kurfurst.org/Performance_...MP16feb39.html

Strange that you would ignore other data on Barbi's site.

Where can I find these figures for 109-E4 please?

"What is the historical 109 turnrate?" .... same problem as always it depends whose data you believe !. It also depends on how the turn is being flown in each aircraft. You after Sustained or instantaneous ?

These charts are reasonable for sustained turn performance:

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit109turn.gif

Spit V 109 Turn times.