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Sternjaeger II 07-11-2011 11:20 PM
As for someone who mentioned the insurance,it really depends on how they insured it. With this kinda planes u can go for a third party only (mandatory) and then choose to insure the plane itself,and u can also insure just a percentage of it. Bear in mind that insuring something like a P-51 can cost some £40k a year..

swiss 07-11-2011 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ElAurens (Post 307914)
I have seen a mid 50's Ferrari that was "rebuilt" from nothing more than the original serial number plate and a door hinge. (After a fire). Totally accepted by the Ferrari cognoscenti.

I know someone who went to jail for selling such a ferrari for 4M.
He "forgot" to tell the buyer.
And no, you're not accepted, if show up with a 3xx they will even laugh about u.

swiss 07-11-2011 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 307918)
Well one thing is a restoration of an existing aircraft,which was registered under an aviation authority (the German one in this specific case,since the plane had just been bought) and was classified under "North American Aviation P-51D Mustang",and another is building a mustang from nothing,which in the US would go under the Expedimental category,but won't be accepted in Europe. Truth is that it's the same thing,cos it will be an extensive rebuild of the plane,but if you manage to save a minor part of the original hull,you can still claim it as the original machine.
Aah - ok, I see.
Thx for the explanation.

SEE 07-12-2011 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II (Post 307867)
first of all thanks for the very good video, and yes, it's obvious the Skyrider pilot lost visual contact and went too brisk on his manoeuvre, but it's again a fault of who organised the Balbo itself, you don't break off from a Vic formation like that with planes that operate at different speeds. We'll see what the CAA will tell.

This was a two day event, the Balbo was faultless on the Saturday but they were flying in groups of four not three as on the Sunday, the separation as each pilot left the formation seemed much bigger (as the order went 1, 3, 2 then 4 ?). The commentary broadcast during the entire Balbo was very detailed regards the final break away /timing, etc. Such a pity but it does look like that Skyraider got it wrong.

Sternjaeger II 07-12-2011 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by SEE (Post 307997)
This was a two day event, the Balbo was faultless on the Saturday but they were flying in groups of four not three as on the Sunday, the separation as each pilot left the formation seemed much bigger (as the order went 1, 3, 2 then 4 ?). The commentary broadcast during the entire Balbo was very detailed regards the final break away /timing, etc. Such a pity but it does look like that Skyraider got it wrong.
yeah, I know their routine very well, I was there on Saturday and yet again, like every year, I thought that the way they do things put them in an unnecessary risk.

The Skyrider pilot got it wrong because it looks like he lost visual contact with the Mustang, or didn't respect the speeds agreed on the briefing, or a combination of all these.

Buzpilot 07-12-2011 12:32 PM
http://player.vimeo.com/video/26291756?

Looking at the slow speed part, the P-51 looks undammaged, Skyraider lost part of wing, but managed to land.
Did P-51 pilot panic, or was elevators uncontrollable?:confused:

bongodriver 07-12-2011 12:39 PM
after an impact like that there is no way the P51 would be 'undamaged' and that is exactly where the elevator and rudder control runs are, I am surprised the P51 didn't loose it's tail completely, so I don't think the pilot paniced any more than was necessary, hell I wouldn't blame him for bailing even if the aircraft was initially controllable, you saw how low the parachute opened.

ckolonko 07-12-2011 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by swiss (Post 307832)
Ok which parts u want to reuse?

This thing fell down from what, 300yards, angle was >30°
Frame:gone
Wings: dito
Tail: dito
Engine: if your lucky the block made it

You can't even use the sheet aluminium.

so you can use a few parts(<5%?) in a brand new plane.
Part it and sell the parts - why go through a restoration?
There are more than 150 P51 in flying condition.
It's a matter of provenance. Simple as that.

Sternjaeger II 07-12-2011 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ckolonko (Post 308035)
Just saying its a possibility if the owner wants to. Christ on a bloody bike.
watch your swearing buddy, we got particularly zealous mods around here ;)

Sternjaeger II 07-12-2011 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzpilot (Post 308020)
http://player.vimeo.com/video/26291756?

Looking at the slow speed part, the P-51 looks undammaged, Skyraider lost part of wing, but managed to land.
Did P-51 pilot panic, or was elevators uncontrollable?:confused:
the P-51 control and trim cables run alongside the fuselage on double sets, the point of impact was where they do run, which probably severed them.

Considering the pilot's age (64), he acted incredibly fast and managed to get out of it almost unscathed. Hats off to Rob Davies!


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