Well surely these days it is neccessary.Sorry I come from online wars where everyone records tracks of their missions.

Thx, i know how to post tracks.


Just for future referance, what will we be "obliged" to do after u modders get the hack cheat tracks?

Will we be forced to prove Santa exists?


First Eula then No DVD crack and now track proof......whats next?


Again.....i (we) dont need to do anything......"U" people however need to get your heads glued back on.


BTW. will i post tracks?.........LOL, dont think so. (and i wonder what responses ill get because of that....iiiii woooooonder) LOL

Ya know, I think it is time for all those claiming cheating to actually prove same.

Some seem to think a simple statement of "cheating is rampant online" makes it so and I have not seen a single claimant offer proof.

I use the sound mod and have tried to join no mod servers with check runtime2 in their game description, not to cheat but to see if it works and it does, I cannot join.

Baron, you are not obliged to do anything but if I claim cheating and I have the means to prove it, I would.

So you cannot substantiate your unproven allegations.I don't want you to post your 'proof of cheating using the hack' tracks for me only,as I think its important that you do it for Oleg at 1C.Don't you want to do that for Oleg?
as for the other things you mentioned,yes the EULA thing was shown to be invalid,and yes,after you posted that link for me, about the no cd/no dvd fiasdo,I posted another part of that thread to show you were mistaken but you must have missed it because you did not respond.
Anyway i don't want to go off topic here,so please post your 'cheating using the hack' tracks for Oleg and the others here.You will then be able to substantiate your arguments about online cheating for us all.

The hackers as usual have got this point about "proof" arse about face.

1. They have to prove to the legal community that no-one is altering the FM/DM files (which believe me is EASY to do).

2. They have to prove that no-one is "tweaking" the FMs just enough to give them a distinct advantage which is difficult to both see and prove.

3. They have to prove that no-one is flying with no cockpit and or 6dof in cockpit on servers.

4. They have to prove that no-one is making friendly a/c camouflaged and enemy flourescent.


5. How many more of the hacks open to the hackers shall I post?


6. No-one has "proven" ANYTHING about the EULA other than it is a legally compliant article, there are NO court appointed judges in this forum with the legal authority to make ANY judgement about legally binding contracts.

7. It is not for the legal members of the community to prove ANYTHING, it is for the illegal hackers to prove their arguments that their hack does not enable them to cheat PERIOD.



You guys are talking BS and you know it, while its easy to see the obvious hackers with ultra-uberised FMs (and there are PLENTY), its the sneaky buggers using the "slightly tweaked" FM and the visibility hacks that are killing the legal game for sure, and strangely you hackers tend to avoid discussing those particular hacks....I wonder why?

Well as said I have not seen any cheating in the servers I play on.As people said they have proof,it follows that we would like to see it.
Don't know whats wrong with that polite request.

Well perhaps you should have read the whole thing so that you could get your facts straight, with all due respect.... Look man.... I am not talking about embracing the mods.. or hacks or whatever. I have never embraced them.. all I am saying is to keep going on and on over the same ground about them is pointless.. they are here... and they aren't going anywhere and the only ones who can change that are O & 1C and until they do, going on and on about the morality or legality of the mods and those who use them does nothing. Thats all I am saying... I personally, although there are some that sound like they would be good.. (No pun intended) have not and as of this moment still do not intend to DL any of them... but to abandon the sim, or online play or to keep this same back and forth thing going on the pros and cons going adds nothing to the situation to alter any of the facts.. and those facts are that the sim is hacked... and only 1C can fix it. Thats all I am saying.. and if for whatever reason they chose not to whether it be time constraints or the phases of the moon then the facts will remain as they are today and all this silly back and forth nonsense will not change that so move beyond that.. I think the fact that I have not used any of them says more than my words about what I think of them and whether or not I have "embraced them".....

Those subtle hacks have been available since before the sound mod and other things it made available arrived, the vendetta you are on arrived with it.

Where was all the outrage before?

well it is obviously too complicated for you so i'll try to take it down to your level of understanding: just because things are legal it doesn't make them right ! Simple enough or i shall draw pictures for you ?

Probably because the overwhelming majority of IL2 players have absolutely no interest at all in what happens in dogfight server rooms...Something that only affects a tiny (though heaven knows, a very vocal) minority.

To the vast majority of players - what a few "win at all costs" players choose to do in a handful of "come as you are" open access stat driven dogfight servers, has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their day to day enjoyment of this game.