I'd rather fly Finnish or Fokker over those silly
things they call P-47's or P-51's... BoM +1!

I like the Russian Front. It's what originally drew me into IL2. Learning about planes, battles, and dogfights we just simply don't learn about in school here in the US was facinating.

Plus was there any Lend Lease planes used in Battle for Moscow era? I know that's how a few US planes made it into IL2. P-40, P-39.

S!

Bring on BoM, just leave out the TIE fighters we had in original IL-2 series :)

TIE Fighter! I love it)
We could make the world's best space simulator, if Lucasfilm had sold a license))) Yes, and you would have great difficulty with the launch of ion engines)

Joke :)

The VVS aircraft as depicted by Oleg in Il-2 were not historacly accurate. The LaGG-3 ,Yak and MiGG were infamous for leaking great quanities of oil, constantly over heating to the point of combustion. Causing very poor performance from the aircraft. The labor was vastly unskilled the materials were of poor quality, in fact the windscreens and canopies " yellowed " so profoundly visibility was a problem. Exhaust fumes routinely filled the cockpit along with the engines runnig so hot, many pilots had to open the canopy in flight to tolerate the environment within their cockpit.No radio communications, and poorly refined aviation fuel,futher degrading performance. . Since the negative -G induced engine cut is modeled in BOB , I assume the above mentioned would be modelled to some extent in BOM. this will demonstrate histoical fidelity.

Seeing how Il-2 never adaquately addressed the PTO, ETO nor Med., I would have preferred any of these three to the Eastern Front.

Battle of Moscow?

Did that include the build up where Hurricanes were brought over by No.81 Squadron to Vaenga as part of the lend-lease?

http://81squadron.com/WW%202.htm

Eric Carter, last surviving member of 81 Squadron talks about his time in the RAF and off to Russia as part of "Force Benedict"

http://blip.tv/file/2377138/

Cheers, MP

I must say that personally for me North Africa/Med would seem a logical step forward and as said it has not been done before to any depth

+1
The aircraft would also lend themselves to 'Leaning in to France 41-42' on the BoB map (excluding long range bombing and Allied heavies which would presumably be another Sequel).

+1, however the fact that it's the next logical step is most likely the reason why it isn't the next step.

For 1C as an east european puplisher, the Battle of Moscow is the next logical step, maybe they think their audience is more interested in east szenarios then west.

Possibly, but I think moving to the 'East' will convince people in Central/Western Europe and the America's not to buy any add-on, especially if the only way to fix the current game is via this route.

The devs are still working on CoD.

Eastern front is fun, because:

1) Planeset is very varied: from biplanes like I-153 to high altitude MiGs.
2) Weather and landscape are rich (I mean, it is not channel or desert).
3) Ground war is very intense. Lots of work for ground attack planes, and fighters covering them. Frontlines can move pretty fast - important for MP and dynamic SP campaigns.
4) It does not require bunch of planes, which can't be made without paying royalties.

The planeset for BOB and BOM are essentially same when broken down: small ,slow early war trainers with inadequate ammunition and fuel . The type of missions are nearly identical, relatively small groups of bombers and fighters attacking local tactical targets i.e airfields from close proximinty. With a large city London/Moscow, of little ,tactical relavance except to eat up computer resources.

The PTO was probally out of the question, modelling the participating Navies would require much time and unavaible resources.

North Africa/Med would have provided more diverse mission opportunities and
planeset.

I think you're missing some of the plus points of the Battle of Moscow.

1. It's of central interest to 1Cs core customer base; the Russian market, meaning more people will invest in the game and keep the thing going.

2. By this emphasis on the core market Luthier is commiting himself to meeting the technical needs of the sim's core base which tends to have less capable machines to run this sim on than those of us in the west.

It is a known fact that the Russian Market is 1C's largest market segment? My educated guess would have been North America, assuming CLOD had the same demographics as IL-2.

Educated guess on what basis? gut feeling? If North America was 1C's largest market then how is it that throughout IL2's life North America has always been last to see a release?

The Russian market is huge, considering the number of players. But the game 3-5 times more expensive in EU/US. So, I do not think that any of the market would be more important than the other, if you look at the business aspects.

I think it really matter that the Russian community is much more hostile than we are (it said Luthier), then he will choose a theme, which is closer to them. But not just them, i prefer the BoM too. I really look forward instead of bleak desert maps with LW, RAI, RAF types... again... little bored...

I'm with you on this one. With the amount of detailed ground vehicles and objects BoM is going to be a bonanza for ground pounding. Even the older Russian aircraft could be dangerous to ground troops. Be fun protecting either side's ground troops. Even more fun hedge hopping and strafing collumns of infantry and support vehicles in a Rata with 20mm canon and rockets.

Reality is , as long as they release a SDK where you can make new maps with new textures , even islands - we wont really need expansions apart from new aircraft. The mod community can do it all and probably better as can be seen in most games.

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Does anyone have an idea when the patch, not the expansion will be out?

What Patch, I thought there is no more patching, and instead you buy the sequel and merge them?

Why not:

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28633

I fear we will not see any grunts in BoM.

90% of the I-16 (and all of the I-153) were ShKAS-armed versions. In 1941 the ShVAK-armed types were as rare as a win in the lottery and only from 1942 on I-16 were modified with heavier armament by the frontline units. ;)

Wasn't there an original post by Luthier about a month and a half ago listing everything that was coming up. Sound was going to be a big part of it.

Here

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...527#post362527

:confused:

Luthier: "And to make sure to drive my main point across. We are still working on improving CoD. No one's abandoned it. There will be patches. My answers about things in the sequel were meant for those specific features. Please don't try to read between the lines!"

source: Friday Update, Q&A - December 23, 2011

So... no news about a beta patch??

Nope, very annoying.

There was some news. Luthier said that they expected a 50% or greater performance increase from the latest build and they were ready to test it a about a month ago with a beta to be released the following week. A week or so later he said he didn't know what sort of performance increase, if any they could expect, however testing would begin a few days hence and results would be posted that same week. Nothing was heard for some time, then information was released via sukhoi (just before Christmas) that there were major difficulties with the new build and the developers were trying to figure out what had occured. An unofficial statement via B6 and sukhoi later said that fans of Cliffs of Dover should not expect a patch any time in the near future. It was also mentioned that no new aircraft types would be added to CoD until the Moscow expansion was released.

Thats pretty much it for now. ;)

Yep and some time ago patch making was halted, no reason given, i don't know how is it now.

S!

And do not expect much info during and after new year when Russia has it's holidays.

Although, geographically speaking the approach to Moscow is nothing exciting to look at. Historically speaking the battle took place from October 1941 thru January 1942. Much of the landscape will be snow covered for a large percentage of the conflict, very similar to desert landscape.
If we get the" dynamic weather" feature this would add some interest to both a BOM and the Med.
I am not certain why BOM was choosen next, but my guess would be it requires less development then the PTO or Med. Refering to a simple map with no shipping and the requsite Naval and supply vessels. It would be much more interesting to me to have the antishiiping missions with the Italian and LW aircraft. The ground engagments in the Med were also significant, but would require additional British and US vehicles,along with Italian, US, RAF aircraft.

Quite amusing to read the opinion of western consumers about what should be next.
I am russian consumer and I know pretty little about med conflict, it's not really interesting for me. In sukhoi all happy about choose conflict for sequel.
I just wish you to wait interesting for you conflict.;)

Alright chaps, just returned from a rather lenghty ban for 'not learning my lesson', probably deserved, although I cant see it listed in the forum rules anywhere!! So whats been happening, should I learn my lesson and put all my trust back into Luthier and this game or is it the same old dissappointments and waiting for patches/news?

Oh and Merry Christmas one and all :grin::grin:

IMHO Yes.. See sig

What was the opinion of the Russian consumer with the Battle of Britian as the first/initial ' installment " ?

Hey !
From one banned ;) member to another one :

"same old dissappointments and waiting for patches/news " would well describe the actual situation...

Since I am only quoting you, I presume I am on the safe side...:rolleyes:

Merry Xmas !

I know enough about this conflict and i thought it's not bad idea to start new serie of simulator.

Instead of trolling this thread, which is about news from another forum, use the search function and have a look around and form your own opinion rather than inciting the usual negativity in your posts.

Don't know what you were banned for but it was probably the same old stuff you spout around here as usual.

Trying spending some time reading the effort going into this sim from the Devs and the customers instead of the usual derisory comments and goading.

You can get started here.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...6&postcount=77


Oh .........

Merry Christmas to you too :)


Why bother taking the risk

Just to add some more negativity :rolleyes:

Same applies to you too, start reading some other stuff at this forum....

After the Battle for Moscow, what conflict would you prefer as the next installment of the series?

I guess that means theres not great news about Coops then? Cheer up mate theres always the new year. :grin::grin:

great example :rolleyes:

Luthier has said there's a CooP mode already.

He says there is .... a lot of us disagree but we presented the ideas and thoughts in the Questions and Requests thread and we have moved on.

Some of us have the ability to do that.



The New Year sees me moving in a new direction in life, looking forwards to it.



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The good news is the developer is still working on the project, and hopefully will be for the next ten years, but I do realize your too results orientated for this to be good enough. :)

As far as coop's go I'm sill not sure why it has to be seperate from regular servers if there are enough options in one server to accomplish both needs. Exactly which features are lacking in the current setup other than bugs, and unfinished features? I'm not being sarcastic, just questioning.

I'm not sure coop is missing so much in terms of features more than what it misses in terms of interface or lack there of.

Don't want to chew this over but you seem to have missed the debates.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=28429

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=139


Tells self ......I must move on.............I must move on............




:)

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All great patriotic war 41-45:). Or war in pacific, with carriers it's interesting and i am fan of zero

I think it would take a much larger team of developers to do justice to the Pacific. however it would be a welcome change.

Is there unity or a majority among Russian consumers as to where the next non " Great Patriot War " installment they would like to see.

I would like to see Stalingrad possibly with additional maps for the the Caucasus & Crimea.
Many of the Aircraft from BoM would the cover the early period of those conflicts .

Smolensk... Look into that one, its good. :-P

Hi BlackSix, a question for luthier: Do you have any plans to enable 6DOF vision in the bombardier's seat? Bombing without the horizontal stabilizer in the Blenheim is hard enough and 6DOF here would help a lot.

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BlackSix, another for Luthier. I hope you are having a good break!

Do you plan to expand (or explain) server settings for client control? Currently a dedicated server only has the ability set netspeed and turn VAC on/off through the [Net] code but there is no options to control the clients connected. This is resulting in exploitation.

For reference, some of the relevant IL-2 settings are checkServerTimeSpeed, checkClientTimeSpeed, socksHost, checkTimeSpeedDifferense, checkTimeSpeedInterval, farMaxLagTime, nearMaxLagTime, cheaterWarningDelay, cheaterWarningNum.

So, BlackSix, Christmas is gone, the team is back at work, can we expect some new info this weekend? or maybe a date for a beta patch?

thanks

This^

...or maybe a working sli?

And crossfire :(

Or if not any of the above.. could you just pop in and tell us what kind of coffee you are drinking and how much cream / sugar ratio do you apply?

No sugar with a noisette of milk .. ;)

Afterburner shows my both gpu's working, have you tryed.

Sure, both my GTX 480s are working but I don't get a framerate increase. If I force any particular SLI mode I get bad stuttering. SLI and XFire are broken.

I wrote your question

No, I can't promise anything yet and I can't share the new information. Please wait.

So it's maybe scaling problem then, did your GPU's goes over 50% stress?

It does if single (max) but not if SLI. CPU is not stressed either way.

BlackSix

When can we expect an update on how the Graphics Rework and new patch is coming along?

Could we PLEASE have a Friday update this week so Everyone has some news since the long xmas Break?????????

:)

They have been on Holidays throughout January...

We have not worked from January 1 to January 9, in Russia was a long weekend. :confused::confused::confused:
Work began just this Tuesday. During this time, we can't generate news or update.

What!!! Who said you could have a holiday :lol:

Take it easy B6 and the rest of you guys at MG most people here know or should know what it's like returning to work after a holiday ;)

Welcome back, hope you has a good one.

great... another month with nothing at all.... :-x

They had holidays like every1 else...

The Update will come when it is finished..

Well, they're off holidays now and back to work. Patience, good things come to those who wait many many many years, 2 weeks, next update. :) ;)

don't bet on the 2 weeks... Ilya talked 2 months ago about the new graphic engine, but no video or screenshots have been posted

B6 Thanks. I have no problem with you guys taking holidays. We all need them :-P

I heard the Dev team spent their holidays in the snow recreating BOB conflic out of snow and ice sculptures... or did I dream that..

Just good to now when the team started again. I know now I can expect an update on progress around late Jan.

Hope you all enjoyed your time off. :D

:-)

Let them enjoy the holiday(s).




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Whos hating dude? Relax...I gave them only facts thats all...Read Battle for Moscow thread so u can educate urself on the topic...

Statistics by Small_Bee of sukhoi.ru is being alpha-tested on Repka #4 http://translate.google.com/translat...%2Fmembers.php

Click pilot's name and select flight ("departure") for damages details, etc. Sorry, only Google translation so far. "Glasses" = points :grin:

You can join R4 to see yourself listed.

EDIT:
Pre-alpha of a dynamic campaign add-in by Octocat published at sukhoi.ru http://translate.google.com/translat...hp%3Ft%3D73973

Not translated link to be used for download (see end of 1st post) http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...12#post1762312

Menus screenshots
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...9&d=1326705712
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...7&d=1326705707
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/attachmen...8&d=1326705710

I wasn't posting about you; if I were I'd use your name or quote ya. I was just offering advice to dev team in dealing w haters when or if they start adding negativity

Best analogy I've heard yet... Its tough doing software development... More art than science really.

No more fresh stuff because the moderator of Sukhoi.ru has locked the B6 thread, because of the "increasing negativity".

Cheers,
Ins

This is a temporary solution, I will open a thread on Monday

"Sorry, but due to the expanding sracha (???), forced to close theme until better times. "


EDIT: Oooops, crossed B6's post

Thank you BlackSix.

Hopefully we hear something "fresh" on Monday ;)

Really? when have you ever seen someone attempt/change a flat tire while a car is running? And if you did, would the tire ever get change?

its is possible to create a new topic for each update whit the date and lock its whit the reply.... its so hard to read then along all the complain

tks

Julien

BlackSix, will Luthier provide answers for the last set of questions? It has been a few weeks -thanks.

rofl !!!!!

~s~

Hi!
I need to collect two or three additional questions. Then I'll put in a block of answers in the next update on this or next week.

Thanks BlackSix.

S!

I asked a question, but guess it got buried in the flood of them :D IT was about the SpeedTree tech used on Cliffs Of Dover and the problems with it, like shimmering etc. I did scour thru the SpeedTree forums and there seemed to be discussions about shimmer etc. and also solutions. Has Luthier's team considered checking into this tree issue as well?

I was talking to Uther about this a few days back, in November they released a new speedtree version I was wondering if they were implementing it :D

http://www.speedtree.com/

S!

Would be great if they could update it. I remember reading on that forum that someone had similar tree leaves shimmering and it was some setting that needed to be changed and it fixed that. Was some time ago so can not remember the thread of it there. But anyways I think the newer version might be better as it seems to be oriented to many different solutions :) So fingers crossed on patch!

Will the Russian aircraft be modelled historically in terms of equipment? For example most Russian fighter aircraft (especially early war) had only a crudely painted gun sight. Radios were usually removed to save weight as the quality was poor and often they were useless. Except of course with the GIAP regiments who had access to the best aircraft and equipment.