Originally Posted by bongodriver (Post 444874)

Inadmissible using Farbers logic, Galland wen't on to say it was out of frustration and had no bearing on how he rated the Spitfire but of course being a human recounting a tale from the past he obviously didn't know what he was speaking about and he probably really did wan't a squadron of Spitfires.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 444877)

As we have seen, graphs and the interpretation of any data can be challenged because of the number of variables involved and whether the people producing these graphs were even aware of these variables.

Pilot, sorry, eyewitness accounts and memoirs are very often contemporaeneous to the events themselves and most were written if not during the war years then in their fairly immediate aftermath with logbooks and combat reports to back it up. Both RAF and LW accounts share a remarkable commonality in their fear of the bounce, the acceptance that most pilots shot down never saw their opponents and the acceptance that following an opponent round and round and round in a dogfight would invite a hail of lead from an unseen opportunist.

Arguments on every flight sim forum I've ever visited about aeroplane performance always degenerate into some "expert" denying the veracity of pilot accounts that differ from their own dearly held views because they know their graphs hold the real truth.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 444877)

Arguments on every flight sim forum I've ever visited about aeroplane performance always degenerate into some "expert" denying the veracity of pilot accounts that differ from their own dearly held views because they know their graphs hold the real truth.

Originally Posted by arthursmedley (Post 444877)

. Both RAF and LW accounts share a remarkable commonality in their fear of the bounce, the acceptance that most pilots shot down never saw their opponents and the acceptance that following an opponent round and round and round in a dogfight would invite a hail of lead from an unseen opportunist.

Originally Posted by Seadog (Post 444873)

OK, Galland states in his memoirs, The First and the Last, that he asked for an "...outfit of Spitfires, for his group..."

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu (Post 444883)

And what does he say after that paragraph? How does he end the issue?

Originally Posted by Seadog (Post 444885)

"...Such brazen-faced impudence made even Goering speechless. He stamped off, growling as he went..."

Originally Posted by Seadog (Post 444882)

Very true, and the vast majority of RAF fighters were lost this way, as their primary task was to attack the bombers, thus leaving themselves open to being bounced, however this doesn't excuse Clod from poorly modelling the performance of RAF fighters.

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 444887)

Cue Bongodriver using my statement against it even though its not what I ment. :-P

Originally Posted by Seadog (Post 444885)

"...Such brazen-faced impudence made even Goering speechless. He stamped off, growling as he went..."