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xpzorg 02-01-2012 05:02 PM

Do you maybe want talk about anti-soviet propaganda conducted by western governments?:rolleyes:;)

csThor 02-01-2012 05:06 PM

No need. I have the german edition of "The Blonde Knight of Germany" about Erich Hartmann. I do recognise products of the Cold War when I see them ... ;)

engadin 02-01-2012 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by csThor (Post 387000)
Quite seriously: I am considering soviet war stories to be usually grossly blown out of proportion on behalf of the soviet authorities (Stalin ordered "improved" historiography after the war). Far too often this or that soviet pilot was injured/got his aircraft set on fire/whatever and still outfought so-and-so-many german fighters. I have read too many stories like this, most of them following exactly the same script without many or any deviations, so I simply discard them all as potentially or even most probably made up.

Sorry and hats off to the veterans. No slant against them, they're as much the victims of state propaganda as the general audience. :-(

+1 here. When propaganda gets so spread, it's really hard to tell it from reality. You know, truth, as Jaws 2002's battle plan, is the first casualty of war too, and prop has everything to do with it.

VO101_Tom 02-01-2012 05:14 PM

I know it's repost, but some of you might not know:
http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/pilots/pilots.htm

Tvrdi 02-01-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaws2002 (Post 386996)
Those were real Bf-109 fighter pilots, not internet comandos. They flew real planes, in a real war. In war they fly how they have to in order to achieve the mission goal.
If they had to chase an I-16, on the deck, they did just that. Not all made it out of it and not all could afford to fly how they wanted.
It was a real war not a game.

Sure. Their task was to protect bombers and to fly patrols. In russian campaign, in earlier stages of the war sometimes they took the plunge and chased planes on the deck....but that was more exception than a rule...Jabos are different story Im not talking about them....

And dont tell me about real war please....I experienced it recently....

MB_Avro_UK 02-01-2012 09:43 PM

Hurricane In Her Element...
 
Hi all,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIkSb...eature=related

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

bongodriver 02-01-2012 09:46 PM

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JG52Krupi 02-01-2012 10:16 PM

Nice, thanks for sharing :D

robtek 02-01-2012 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tvrdi (Post 387054)
Sure. Their task was to protect bombers and to fly patrols. In russian campaign, in earlier stages of the war sometimes they took the plunge and chased planes on the deck....but that was more exception than a rule...Jabos are different story Im not talking about them....

And dont tell me about real war please....I experienced it recently....

Their first priority, beside surviving, was to shoot down enemy fighters whenever they had the chance and no countering orders.

The war in the air has changed quite a bit since then!

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