1. yes
2. yes
3. Only if there is good reason.

"So I think that I am anything but bias."



"He who excuses himself, accuses himself."

When typing instead of talking(Teamspeak) (Ventrilo) the
meaning of whats said can be taken in wrong way.

All here have enjoyed Spitsv109s Server and we know
what it takes to put one up for the public to use.

If the server is for any and all users( now that mods are open
to just about anyone able to use a mouse)
Then there will be troubles with the server and until we have
some sort of fix all sides will accept, all servers will have
troubles to some degree.

I think we could agree with so many different files in our game
that troubles are bound to happen when all do not have same versions
being ran at same time on a given server.

That being said some things can be done to help with this problem until
we have a universal way of dealing with all versions

Some servers have figured out how to make things better!
An easy test is Frame rates on given maps on the servers
you fly on,and amount of lag generaly showing up for said
map or server.

Lets Solve this together,I doubt if we would be having this discussion
if the Mods hadn't grown so big so fast without a control method

Thanks for reading, now lets try to enjoy!!

Petrosky

Raven sorry, you don't make the rules here. You started this bailey work (in an open forum.)

I will not take this to PMs. I have nothing to hide. The only way people will get the facts is to see the debate in the open.

I'll be damned if I'm leaving you with the last word on this subject.

Your entire post was visceral in it's animosity towards Spits.


That's not just an opinion.
That's mean, inconsiderate and a blatant effort to draw population to servers that you prefer at the expense of others.

You're also insulting the people who choose to fly on or recommend Spits by accusing them of having questionable taste.

As for my post..

I stated the truth.
Your "opinion" was based on incorrect "facts."
And I most assuredly know what's going on with my own server, a lot more than you do..
For you to suggest that you are more informed than I about Warbirds is arrogance that goes beyond comprehension.

In your last post you have so many personal insults directed at me that I lost count.

I'll stick with the big points.

Your opinion of me is irrelevant.

I am not in this for a profit. If you knew as much about Warbirds or me as you claim you would know that.

I don't see you as the "competition".

I'm not competing with anyone except myself.

I never mentioned your server, nor your intentions regarding that server except to wish you luck..

Loose the Ego..
I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but your influence on this community is the same as mine.

We have none...

Neither you nor I move the needle on folk's "Give-A-$&%T-O-meter".

Your post cast an unfair disparaging slant on a lot of folk's hardwork and was incorrect.

We do not support Mods. Your post said we do. I submit the following from our forums.

Note the date.

http://www.warbirdsofprey.org/module...ewtopic&t=1762

We turn CRT=2 off and on at irregular times to do the following.
A. To see who is using mods and who is not (ie track their popularity.)
B. To keep folks who attempt at making modifications from knowing what setting we have on any particular day. This stops people from using us as a test bed to see if the latest attempt at a modification will get past different server settings.

If you knew as much about running a server as you think you do, you would already have figured that out. I'm not required to tell you what our settings are.

geee.. thanks for not "holding" that against me...I'm so relieved....

You do however make my point for me. You admit you never gave us a chance to respond to any of your opinions, because you never gave them.
Yet here you are voicing your "opinion" without so much as a hint to us that you had any concerns.

Then you should have complained back then to him when he was running the joint. To save all of your "years" of frustration and then dump them on Warbirds now is unfair. Especially when you never took the time to try to communicate with us first.

The new server has been in operation for less than a month. Thanks for giving us a chance before bashing us here.

It is not over the top.. If you were in on what goes on in Warbirds (oh wait your not) you would know that whole issue is a leftover from the previous owner. We are currently in re-design of the webpage. There is no longer any "Members" area, "Members" forum or "Members" anything.

You point out something we already know and are working on.

I am going to take the following personally though.
We reset stats every month. This month we did a couple of resets to do some maintenance to the stats program due to some noted issues brought to our attention.

This is paranoia run amuck. Conspiracy theorists unite.
We did land on the moon, and there was only one shooter in Dallas.
To accuse me of altering the server just to win a debate with you is insulting at a minimum and more correctly OUTRAGEOUS!!


My "wallet" has nothing to do with this. Your insinuation that I'm in this as a business for profit is insulting and wrong. Anyone who is a regular on Warbirds knows all to well that money is the last thing on my mind and has nothing to do with my motives for keeping Warbirds running.

I don't care if we all of a sudden (in your opinion) start "Doing Wonders" and S%&Ting cucumbers.
Please don't feel any need to help us with anything.
I would consider it a personal favor to me if you never set foot on Warbirds ever again.

Nobody insinuated you were a "liar" or full of S#^T. I never got personal. All I said was.



Ccrashh
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Look for Winds or War this weekend.

100% historical mission - If we can't document an aircraft for the map it's not available.

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It is what it is Crash.

We are both entitled to our opinions.

I wish you the best in your efforts, and obvious concern for ongoing improvements within your server.

Rgr that Raven,

It is what it is.....

Thank you for your rampart sentiments.

Good luck to you too Sir,

Regards

Ccrashh
1st Horseman
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Raven, very unsportsman like behavior.
This thread was simply a question by an individual as to recommendations of Full Real servers in HL. Having read thru this entire post I think you missed the intent and instead proceeded to proclaim yours is THE best and others were less than. On top of that you proceeded to bash, critisize, and personally attack one of the best servers in HL, aka spits vs 109s, aka warbirds servers.

Raven, you have a good server and skins that are top notch. You provide your time/money/creativity/skills/servers to the community and for that you are to be commended. However, as Crash stated, most who host servers are NOT in competition with anyone else.

I have flown in HyperLobby since IL2 first came out. I have seen many servers come and go. Every single one of them deserves respect just for the fact of the great time/effort/and money that it takes to manage and implement them for the benefit of the pilots who fly there.

I read your piece on spits vs 109's and it was an uncalled for attack against one of the best servers in HL. Your opinions about spits vs 109s were false, misleading, and just plain rude. If you have a personal issue with an individual then hash it out over comm's. Coming in here and publically talking trash about an individual and Server provider does nothing but alienate you from those you are trying to gain.

Building up and praising your own server while degrading someone else's is just a personality issue that you will have to deal with. Humilty is an excellent trait to develope and nuture.

Word of advice. Praise your server all you want to but refrain from negative comments of others. You will have much better success in this community.

With that said, I enjoy all of the servers that have been talked about in here. I have made donations to most of them throughout the years and will continue to do so. They all provide something to the masses and without them, this game would have died off along time ago.

~S~

You trying to keep flame going?

JG6_Express Rav.
said nothing on his server he only spoke
of another server he thinks better that spitsv109s.

We all know how much work goes into running a server
(most regulars do) we like you have been here since IL2

Tact might have been used better, all Rav. was trying to
say is that Spitsv109s has changed alot in the last 6-7 months
and some think not for the better.
We all have flown there and it was great times.
for what ever reasons it has changed lower framerates and lag
than on same type servers. This is not a bash just my observations
over the months We like you enjoyed the server and would like to
see it back to what we enjoyed in the past.
Again I an not attacking any server or Admin.
If i offended any I apologize (not my intention)

Petrosky

Thanks for the in put JG6 I value your opinions as I do Crash's position .

Things are not what they used to be in online...

All the same I'm simply trying to raise the bar.
I know I have no influence but I like to try.Mostly I just make noise and a big mess.

Things are not what they used to be in online...The amount of fullswich servers is down and arcade is way up.

The way I see it the more we all push for more full real server options the better.

The more smooth and enjoyable a server is for the guy making the transition to full switch from arcade the more apt they will be to stick with it.

The more that portion of the community grows. The better for all of us that realize the immersion that full switch offers.

Many don't have a super computer to play this Sim. I know of several folks that must tune down there boxes just to play on Spits.

On other servers, maps and hardware are sensitive to this issue.

Please let me take this opportunity to try to move from the negative tone, THAT I STARTED and in to a positive direction.

Honestly I did not realize that spits had changed hands.
I only knew that I was having the same issues as I had always there.

I had previously posted my concerns there , nothing was done.

As a very active supporter with links on my web site's and financial contributions I was disappointed. I felt taken for granted as my donations were substantial.
I hope you can understand my point of view.

It was my folly not go back into the WoP forums and brush up on the ownership and new management.
How would I know? I basically had written it off as a forum to contribue to,
No excuse All the same.

All I knew is that when I flew the server I still had the same issues even with the servers new system.
I Didn't know it was new till after the fact.

Both Crash and I though the other had there facts wrong. We both defended our Honor as any self-respecting person should.

I did start it . So the blame is on me. I did not take the time to think of the human factor.

All I saw was a server that seemed not to be moving forward, but backward. One that was not running check run time-2.
As every time I joined, I had sound M installed.
I just had hit it when crt-2 was off for testing apparently.

We both got defensive and tossed a few punches.
But after that I came out of it with a very good understanding of Crash and his drive to improve, and raise the bar for the future in his server.

I still stand behind my views that there is still need for improvement.
As well as WOW(<its not my server) is a very high quality server.
Perhaps some sharing of information between the two, if not already done, would benefit us all.

I also came out of it realizing that Crash is a refreshing change from the previous management.


I had given up on contacting posting feedback etc at WOP as it seemed to have fallen on deaf ears in the past.

I will return to the WOP forums and post any recommendations, thoughts, views , map making services, via the proper channels if they will allow it. I'm sure I'm not Mr popular over there :)

My tread was inflammatory and confrontational.
But effective in calling attention to the fact that there is always room for improvement.
I think spits could and will be great. Based on crashes passion it will be very soon.
Already the check runtime 2 is solidly in place. An excellent move. Also bit more tweekage on FPS tests on the maps could be very beneficial to all.

I could have been much more diplomatic and would have been, had I been up to date.
That would not have stirred up the pot nearly as much. I did not realize I was digging at the wrong guy.

My goal here is to at least try to raise the bar for a smooth full switch on line experience.
I think rattling the cage keeps folks form being lulled into complacency.

In any case as I like to say any advertising is good advertising and both servers benefited from the post if you think about it. As It called attention to both.


In any event to Crash I would like to personally apologize to you.
I was not fair,
I was ignorant to the fact that you had taken the rains.

I did get a bit heated up when you said I wasn't in the server since Nov. when I had been . I went into attack mode.

I hope we can put this behind us and move on in a positive direction united.






To JG6 I hear you and you make good points but just to be sure you understand I was not talking about my server I was talking about a completely different server than my silly little hole in the wall. :)



I wasn't talking about my server. :)

I agree,I wasn't talking about my server but thanks glad you like it :)

I agree



But I wasn't talking about me server. :)

Um mm err But.....



Just having some fun JG6.
I wasn't talking about my server but I'm picking up what your putting down :)


Can we end this now? All this writing is to much for an illiterate like me... Besides its cutting into our fly time.. :)

~S~RaVe