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kalimba 04-12-2011 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 261140)
Chris I served in the Army and shot with both M2 50cal and MG42 (although in 7,62 NATO ammo). We used tracers regularly and the ones in CoD are by far the most realistic I've ever seen in a game. You're posting videos of cannons that are not using tracers or whose ammunition muzzle speed is way too fast.

As that is not enough, there's been an extensive research on the subject, the conclusion is that 1) you're wrong 2) we're right. Have a look at the fantastic video on the Wellington posted on the main page to have an idea of how realistic it all looks.

Now you can either accept this and go back to your closet or put your head in a pan, smack it with a spoon and go NANANANANANANANANANA!!!

...whichever your option, don't forget you're wrong.
If I may, since I took part in the few previous threads regarding tracers, I would like to remind you this:
In conclusion, what experienced military have said on this forum is that COD's
tracers are pretty good BUT, they are a bit to bright for daytime, a bit too long and "fat" . They should be more sting-like.
And about COD's tracers being to "steady and equal" ( and I am not talking about the camera squiggle effect), the best thing would be to find in the hundreds of WW2 guncam movies available on the web, just 1 that shows a spit or a Hurri, or any kind of plane with those kind of tracers...;)

Salute !

Bryan21cag 04-12-2011 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by robtek (Post 260764)
When i drove my motocross bike crosscountry me and my bike where shaking and vibrating, yet my vision wasn't!
Thats the way the brain influences and compensates for a disturbed vision.
But all this has been discussed to death at least 10 times.
Leave it at rest, please.
i also ride motocross and the vibration and shaking of vision only stops when you stand on the pegs or nerf bars. when you sit back down on the seat things can look a bit shaky depending on your motor size compression ETC, and thats with a pretty thick seat pad.

WWII aircraft probably didnt have the best seat padding and multiple machine guns and giant engines...you get the point:)

Bryan21cag 04-12-2011 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 261081)
you need to prove what you say, otherwise it's just another fart in the forum.. :rolleyes:
why does he have to prove it but you dont ???

all i see in this thread is people sharing what knowledge they have on the subject and not really bothering anyone.

plenty of us. my self included have fired plenty of tracer rounds from plenty of different types of weapons fixed and mobile, we didn't all say they looked like crap just a little to wide and perfect looking.

anyway with lots of things to be fixed yet that are way more important whats wrong with talking about things to pass the time while we wait?

Bryan21cag 04-12-2011 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by t4trouble (Post 261115)
Some good colour footage and 2 lucky fishermen 4mins in :cool:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uhpo...el_video_title
i think this video fery much illistrates what were all talking about.

NOT that they should look like squiggly lines through the air, we agree that is a result of the camera shaking but this footage very clearly shows the thickness of the tracers and they are actually pretty skinny not sure what caliber of weapons are being used but this thickness and brightness along with just a bit less perfect profile and they would be perfect.

great video thanks for posting that.

Prop~Strike 04-13-2011 08:32 AM
Most of you would have seen this - DBW. The tracers look good when he attacks the train...too much smoke perhaps? I wish the Spit's tracers in Clod looked more like this - thin and smoky.

Also, check out the cockpit view when Karel is crash landing.... head bob looks like clod and the oil on the windscreen looks like my CEM efforts....lol :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0stVlJXAsbQ

Sternjaeger 04-13-2011 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bryan21cag (Post 261549)
why does he have to prove it but you dont ???

all i see in this thread is people sharing what knowledge they have on the subject and not really bothering anyone.

plenty of us. my self included have fired plenty of tracer rounds from plenty of different types of weapons fixed and mobile, we didn't all say they looked like crap just a little to wide and perfect looking.

anyway with lots of things to be fixed yet that are way more important whats wrong with talking about things to pass the time while we wait?
read my lips: BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE.

I hate it when people get in the forum, don't have the decency to use the "Search" feature to see if their point has been discussed BEFORE, then blurt out sentences like "hey you lot, that's wrong, I know what it is in real life, I've seen it in a movie!" :rolleyes:

The problem with the tracers brightness is linked to the whole game brightness: it seems like you're flying over a radioactive field for the green glow!! Once again, have a look at THIS video and see what tracers (and the rest) looks far more realistic when brightness and gamma are adjusted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjZ8kwQr1so

Sternjaeger 04-13-2011 09:23 AM
uh and if you guys want to, I can post you quality videos where tracers are as bright as a Xmas tree.. but you know what? Use the SEARCH button and look at them yourself, I'm tired of this endless crap...

Moderators can you PLEASE do something about this?!?!?!

ATAG_Dutch 04-13-2011 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger (Post 261777)
uh and if you guys want to, I can post you quality videos where tracers are as bright as a Xmas tree.. but you know what? Use the SEARCH button and look at them yourself, I'm tired of this endless crap...

Moderators can you PLEASE do something about this?!?!?!
See Luthiers post below.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...488#post171488

t4trouble 04-13-2011 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sternjaeger View Post
uh and if you guys want to, I can post you quality videos where tracers are as bright as a Xmas tree.. but you know what? Use the SEARCH button and look at them yourself, I'm tired of this endless crap...

Moderators can you PLEASE do something about this?!?!?!
I dont mean this to be insulting Sternjaeger but why post in this thread,it is
a forum about ww11 a/c and this kinda posting about tracers will be done over
and over again till were blue in the face as you know.I actually find these kinda threads interesting, im not a yay or nigh about how they look cause i never flew
a ww11 a/c or any a/c for that matter so i have no idea how the looked in RL.

Sternjaeger 04-13-2011 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by t4trouble (Post 261817)
I dont mean this to be insulting Sternjaeger but why post in this thread,it is
a forum about ww11 a/c and this kinda posting about tracers will be done over
and over again till were blue in the face as you know.I actually find these kinda threads interesting, im not a yay or nigh about how they look cause i never flew
a ww11 a/c or any a/c for that matter so i have no idea how the looked in RL.
oh simple, because:

1) it is ANNOYING.
2) it is ANNOYING.
3) it gives no fruitful information, but just moves back down more important topics than this senseless whine.
4) uh have I mentioned that it is ANNOYING?


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