After the fact the UBI/1C have repeatedly said for eons that they are no longer supporting the game, how is the "community" shooting itself in the foot? UBI/1C have abandoned this game!

The "Community" is reacting to a need. Whether UBI/1C react or not, the "Community" will find its need. Whether right or wrong.

Oh, and if this were the case, I would have thought you would have posted POSITIVE proof to substantiate your claim...

Shot down by a I-16 with 4 mk108's, pfffft, that's just the normal I-16!!!!!

Right now there are alot of " the UFO's are out" BS, but no proof. What is the Zoo's favorite saying? GOT TRACK?

There has been for years REAL FM hacks, but everytime someone said something it almost ALWAYS was...... it is lag, learn to fly, it is the pilot not the machine.

Funny, some of the same people here and at the Zoo who were always screaming the above standard answers are now seeing hundreds of sightings on the net!!

I got it! If you shoot me down, you are hacking, if I can't shoot you down, you are hacking!!! Pleease people, give proof!

DerAlte

Good post BC.Everyone needs to move on and deal with it. And strangely enough I have actually not seen any 'strange' cheats online since this came out on the servers I play on.
Well except for the normal ones that you get on d/f servers that is.Surprised at you Ivan,wheres your proof?Wheres the track? Unsubstantiated claims are completely worthless and just stir things up.Or is that your intention?

I think it's just a plain issue of loyalty, for me certainly. I was educated in a school where fair play and respect were emphasised alongside ordinary learning, and stealing was considered a crime.

That was a long time ago, I'll grant you, but I still haven't grown inured to a code that says "it's your fault I stole your car, you left the keys in it."

(In this case it's more like "you left your car locked - but I just happen to carry a crow-bar")

I respect the official creator(s) of this sim for bringing the genre out of the totally-profit-oriented days of Warbirds & CFS. I respect the amount of unselfish, unprofitable work that's gone into patching and free add-ons over the years, and the unprecedented contact with the main man (at least until the sim-enthusiasts were replaced by a baying mob at the zoo). I respect the closed code that has guaranteed a relatively cheat-free game in the last 6 years of on-line competition. And a lot more.

But I can't respect all the "justification" that's coming from the modding camp. "It's only the sounds" or "the sim's dead anyway" or "this is about the hard-done-by offliners" and all the rest of the excuses . I'm still waiting for the modders' thread that asks all mod-users to pay a copyright fee. If the justifications are to be believed then I'm sure you would all be happy to dig deep and pay IC for providing the body of work that the mods depend on? I thought not.

The other night we were joined on TS by a long-time acquaintance who told us the real low-down - that the mods are sanctioned by Oleg, as part of his revenge on a certain aviation company. Wow, well that explained everything! Oleg is pissed, and this is his KGB-style plot to secretly cripple the US aviation industry and also sell more DVDs. Sadly, I think this guy is ready to believe it :( Weapons of Mass Destruction anybody?

Wait will I dig out my tin-hat and shovel. I don't give a tinker's cuss for the excuses and the get-reals or the let's get-on-with-it-now-that-it's-here (and therefore use it without a qualm) stuff. I just think it's polite to wait until the body is cold before going through the pockets - call me old-fashioned.

B

Ive used the sound mod & been online with it many times since I installed it late October/early November time and in that time ive seen not one instance of any unusual behaviour in an online server, nor have I been accused of cheating/hacking, ect.

To all the people who claim to have seen strange stuff happening in servers, post your proof here. It will give your argument alot more weight ;)

Yes Brando, strangely enough I was brought up to believe in right and wrong, honesty and respect too. I guess I must be old fashioned because I value these and the moral integrity that goes with them.

It seems nowadays that all those values mean nothing its all a part of the "want it, and I better get it now", generation of immature, spoilt, ungracious little AHs that blame everyone and everything for THEIR crimes, after all if they can't get what they want, and have to steal it surely it isn't their fault ? They were "FORCED" to break the law .......

The thought processes that some of the hackers are going through to justify their illegal acts are hilarious and give great insights into the twisted logic of those that have no moral integrity and will do mental somersaults to justify wrong-doing.

The entertainment value is high.... :D

Be interesting to see how many more will come into this thread with puffed up senses of outrage that anyone calls them hackers lol...

...when one thinks about what was legal during WW2 in Germany surely must realize that right/wrong doesn't always go hand in hand with legal. So crimes term isn't standing in context with right/wrong.

...and all name calling shows us how mature you really are . He,he ... no arguments leads to insults in your honestly and respect world .

So your basically saying the modders/hackers/whatever you want to call them stole the sim from oleg?

Abandoned? They officially said that IL-2 support has stopped? I guess current work on another FREE patch is an indication of that... what was i thinking...
Community will find its need... you speak for everyone too, i wonder what gives you that right...

And what is that going to change... are you naive or something? Why dont you ask hackers themselves about how easy to make such changes :D

Christ, why i keep coming back to this thread, it is truly pointless...

cos its FUN !