as long the russian and the 'rest of the world' version are compatible online.....make a guess !

Is really difficult to me to understand the "let them work" thesis.
First they are not doing a good job, and I'm not talking about the programming and developing (also if seeing the game it could be simple), I'm talking about interacting with the community.
We have tons and tons of developer that have blogs, active forum life and advertizing during the developing and during the improving. Only talking about flight simulators see Rof and Xplane 10.

Seriously, are you really thinking that to post some news and interact a bit with the community once a week would damage their work?

See, as all the people here (and are day by day fewer), i'm a fan, and i'm the first that wants to let them work properly, but they are doing it wrong! The interaction with the community now is an important part of the job.
And what about the future? The Mods are the future, they say that they want to regulate them, but if they care about the mods with the same "generosity"...

Ouch

No big surprise there but interesting nonetheless, note the "patch spikes" and then the immediate veining of interest. It shows statistically that there is potential interest but the product itself doesn't satisfy for continued use, there is no longevity, we have ATAG and we have Repka, that's it! and that's pretty poor. Now let's take a look at Skyrim:
http://steamgraph.burstpixel.net/ind...ph&appid=72850
Yes, there you go. :)

Ah I see. If a developer fixes a bug in Russia, but we don't head about it, has it been fixed.

;)

other games have been released lately, on steam, and they have patches and updates every other day, and these arent big budget releases neither.

the good thing about steam is you can fix the smallest thing, and the patch will be downloaded and installed almost instantly, you dont have to release massive patches all the time.

im currently alpha testing a new game, and they are releasing sometimes 2-3 patches daily, it shows it can be done.

Next to ROF check the Bohemia Interactive Studios Forums. (Armed Assault & Operation Arrowhead) Also a niche product but they have lots of "community managers / moderators" in close touch with the developers, and they have a special "ArmA2 & OA beta patch testing section". Believe it or not, in this section you are directly in touch with the game developers ! EVERYBODY is invited to report bugs and make suggestions to improve the game. Confirmed bugs or usefull suggestions will be contemporary implemented in beta patches. As a matter of fact EVERYBODY is also invited to test, comment and improve.

The Armed Assault series was buggy as hell in the begining. This close contact to the community and the excellent bug tracking and improve system is a win/win for devolpers and community. Both benefit tremendously and in result the Armed Assult series became the best military simulation on the planet.

That's the only way out, the rest is IMAO patchwork and therefore bullshit.

Too busy working on CloD to post info nowadays but had the time pre-release? I interpret this that they weren't really working on the sim before the release. That kinda fits the picture. ;-)

What's the y-axis on the graph?

Y=amount of people playing the game at the same time

No one is faultless, but your deduction is still a assumption and no proven fact, doesn't matter how probable.

Not like it's levelling off between patches; it crashes to absolute zero!
Yikes.

http://www.forodelguardiacivil.com/w...cc7d_ratas.jpg

That's online only. Who knows, there could be hundreds of thousand people enjoying the singleplayer campaign over and over again.:-P

That's before you start getting addicted to the super intuitive quick mission builder.

Thanks, didn't show up on my phone browser. The graph can't be right anyway if that's the case. No simultaneous players in July and August? I know that is not correct.

Regardless, the point is true. Numbers seem pretty bad...

The zero level likely denotes the periods when the game was not in the top 100. Steam only releases stats for top 100 games.

Even for a niche game like Cod thats pretty desperate!

I feel your pain.

They could even lie to and make up some stories, yet ppl would feel treated with a certain kind of respect and live under the impression there is some progress and devs are working.
I always had the impression Oleg is a brilliant visionary but a miserable manager.
Now Ilya takes over, he seems to be much better in this field, but in turn he's a lousy salesman. kinda funny, no?

very true and very sad...for CLOD....but I will tell you something....no matter how big sim fan I am...If they dont fix this game ASAP I will NEVER buy their product again.....never....take my word..and Im not the only one.....shame on you and your team Luthier

BTW, last post from Oleg was prior to CLOD release.....he just disappeared....he doesnt have guts to come here and explain what happened...

Sorry guys, no new information from Sukhoi.

10.11.2011
Old info from one of developers:
http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1727330

Yes, and to be more exactly, the very most probable assumption I can think of. If the devs had other reasons, where is their plausible explanation?

What's ASAP for you? Do you want them to release more buggy stuff ASAP so people can whine more or actually fix it with the resources they have available ASAP? If you're going to make threats about not buying another game from them lets at least have a proper timescale :)

You think he'd be allowed to post it? I'm not so sure.

Yes, of course mate. They had to rewrite the whole sound engine without changing the DirectSound Version and you believe they could change the graphic engine without running into serious problems? Dream on...

ASAP in reasonable time ofcourse....lets say in few months (from now on), if this game isnt finished and properly optimised...then its gonna be an epic failure....for me at least


He can post on his blog, facebook whatever....

I'm only saying what Oleg said.

Most of the arguments over this issue come from people on this forum guessing what will/won't/can/can't be done. How do they know what MG will do? Its that pontificating know-all arrogance that gets up my nose.

Oleg's last posts were in June, afaik.

We should do a collective letter to the publisher to investigate on this poor service which we get! It should not be up to us to chase updates, patches or developments !

Well, I for my part still hope for the game for the future because, as already stated, there is no alternative in sight.

But when I read here in this forum I decided to defend Tree a bit, because imo he's just telling the truth. What will happen in future, yes you are right, we will see. But this is not a reason to put the things together, what has happened so far.

And when you are saying, what Oleg said than you are saying what the sales rep said ;) Believe me, I'm a computer professional, nobody admits the problems of their software when they want to sell it...

It's funny seeing all the RoF dev love in here. A thread like this would be locked in about 2 minutes on the RoF board.

Perso I wld say one thing (albeit not in Russian) : take your time devs. A stable release with noticeable increased of parameters in chosen part of the sim is better than a mess of harshly corrected bugs piked randomly everywhere.

In the last patch notes luthier mentioned when a new patch can be expected. I do not think we will hear anything new till beta is almost ready for download.

Till then no news is good news meaning that the game is still supported and being worked on.

One thing they posted on sukhoi is 3 job offers, which is a good sign too.

From a RoF fan, yes, it would.

CoD is what it is, in terms of the product and the developer interaction. We all know that the Devs dont even bother to read these threads so all this is venting for ventings sake anyway. For me the worst part is the what it could have been and what it should be now if it had been handled better. Everything that IL2 was and more.

A few years ago I bought half a dozen copies of '46 to give as Xmas presents and they were well received even by people who weren't really into flight sims. I wouln't give a copy of CoD- it would be embarrasing .

Anyway, its a game, the genre isn't dead, just niche so its not all bad.

No, they clearly do read the threads. That's why Luthier is now mocking the posters in here with comments about how "tentative" has a special meaning on this board.

Maybe they can hire the programer that was behind BOB AI. At least he is posting in CloD forums. :-P

Cheers.

finally they admited its a bad code and are hiring new ppl.....where are all those ace of diehard fanboys now?

Sticking their fingers in their ears and singing lalalalala...

Something else I think, Nike-it was on the forum earlier.If this thread had not been here, we wouldn't have got an update...

My company used to post job offers too when they where low in workload, just to kick dust in the competitors' eyes ... or the customers', as it is maybe the case here.

They're probably playing the game. It was obvious to everyone that the game had problems. Do you really think that comment about "bad code" was significant?

Well just on a pure point of logic, hiring new people doesn't necessarily equal bad code BUT.......

... we all know it is, or bad something anyway. We've known it since the first time we fired it up. I don't think anyone on these forums (and I mean anyone) has ever thought anything else.

Am I a fanboy? Well I take the word boy with gratitude :) I am a fan of Maddox games because of what it delivered over the past ten years. I want to remain a fan of MG for what I hope it will deliver in CoD/SoW over the next few years.

Or is being a fan of something good an admission of some kind of perversion? Step forward football, rugger, baseball, ice hockey, and all other fans everywhere, you naughty people. 8-)

On the other hand we have people who just cannot resist turning the same old wheel over faults we have known about for months. Boring really but hard to let pass.

One gauge for me is that I am really enjoying it. It has already delivered me a lot of fun and, even with improvements outstanding, I actually don't think I've wasted my money. But I do feel sorry for the guys that can't run it yet.

Finally? what on earth do you think they were doing re-writing the gfx engine for if it wasn't bad code?

Strange how the bad code only happened after release, in development it was the new simulation benchmark. :grin:

Before you work yourselves into a frenzy

Bad code, just a poor choice of words.

As the development team is working on the application, any programmer will tell you that as you continue to work with the code you often find newer and better ways to do things. Often you pick up on things that can make a significant boost in speed, etc. It isn't always a best choice to make those changes, because what you improve in one part of the code almost always affects code in other places.

Don't hang on Luthier's words and try to make something sinister about them.

Everyone was clamouring for an update, and Luthier made one. Maybe it wasn't what you wanted to read, but he made an effort.

The dev team enjoyed to give us the last patch, and I'm sure they are looking forward to releasing another that will fix and make the COD better for more users.

I appreciate the update and all and love the game to bits (can't play it right now though due to low fps) and are eternally grateful for what the IL-2 series have given me but why a seriously overhauling of graphics when it says Latest-gen graphics engine on the box that I bought 8 months ago??

Wait, AoA will probably have a great answer to that! ;-)

Thats what I do when I get another launcher .exe ;)
I took off with 4 others on Sunday, by the time I got to England I was the only one left...

I don't understand it, we get news and what happens?

It brings out the worst in this forum,

If members cannot respect the thread and resume the topic... it will be closed

I deleted a large number of nonsense postings including some of my own. The thread is diverting from the purpose.

Not blaming anyone,it is easy to get carried way in responses.

I can see by Krupi and Tree_UK's response that there is 'still' some confusion with regards to CoD being advertised as a DirectX® 11 game.

Allow me..

The root of the confusing stems from the difference between DirectX® 11 capable and DirectX® 11 API support

Where:
'capable' means the game makes use of the DirectX® 11 'feature levels'
'API support' refers to the DirectX® 11 Application Programming Interface Support

With that said the following details are provided as proof that the idea that CoD was 'advertised' as a DirectX® 11 'capable' game is a myth.

As with most things, the devil is in the details. So to fully understand the difference between between DX11 'capable' and DX11 'API support' we go to the source, in this case, Microsoft for the definition/description.

In English, if a game developer uses the DX11-API the game can be switched to use DX9.1, DX9.2, DX9.3, DX10.0, DX10.1, or DX11.0 'feature levels' via a config file. Which is exactly what CoD does via the conf.ini file. Which was not possible, or, at least much harder to do with previous DX-APIs.

With that said, it should be clear to all now that it is possible for a game to be making use of the DX11-API, yet, be running DX10, or lower, 'feature levels'

Now that the difference between DX11 'capable' and DX11 'API support' has been explained lets take another look at the 1C and UBI 'advertising' to see if it makes more since.

First up is the 1C CoD web site, i.e.

As you can see, there is no false advertising here. 1C clearly states the 3D engine has DX10 support (as in feature levels) and makes use of (supports) the DX11 API.

Next up the UBI web site, i.e.

Once again, there is no false advertising here either. UBI clearly points out a DX10 compliant video card is recommended.

Hope this helps!

Yeah so I was right, there is no DX11 features in COD... thanks for clearing that up for everyone "Ace".

Right?

Are you still under the false impression that 1C or UBI said CoD was making use of DX11 feature levels?

Where did I say that?

I simply stated that COD has no DX11 features soooo... but you have finally admitted it ao thank you, personally I think you owe Tree an apology!

Not true, you did not state that, you ask me which DX11 features were were being used by CoD the last time I pointed out the difference between DX11 and DX11-API you ask me to tell you which DX11 'features levels' were being used in CoD.

Admitted it? I never said otherwise. Thus nothing to admit on my part. Where as you clearly were confused on the difference, which is why I provided the previous post (which I have posted several times before) to clear it up for you and yours.

Well you also thought I said CoD is making use of DX11 features, thus what you personally think does not hold much water around here IMHO.

But I am glad to see you now are back peddling away from the myth that 1C advertise CoD as a DX11 capable game.. Thus my work is done wrt you.

One down, just a few more to go!

you dont make any sense

Well it is a hard subject for some to wrap thier head around.. But I am sure I can clear it up for you.. So lets take it step by step?

First off, yes or no question, do you belive 1C advertised CoD as a DX11 capable game?

Why are you spamming this thread when Nearmiss specifically asked you not to?

Yes stop spamming AOA, but thanks for finally admitting that CLOd does not use any DX11 features, it is very misleading when they put it on the side of box, it took some clearing up but you finally got there, good boy.

what?

So, you posting this.. just to start 'something' is not spamming?

But me trying to piont out 1C/UBI never advertised CoD as a DX11 game is spamming?

Its not what this thread is about.Start a new one.

what?

So, you posting this.. just to start 'something' is not spamming?

But me trying to piont out 1C/UBI never advertised CoD as a DX11 game is spamming?

Straing I never said it did.. so not sure what your talking about

put what on the side of the box?

Actully I was thinking the same thing about you!

Glad to see you are admiting that 1C/UBI never advertised CoD as a DX11 capable game!

http://bhlspectrum.wikispaces.com/fi...6251/inigo.jpg

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

So let me see if I understand you correctly

You say I am spamming..

Yet your contribution to this thread is to post a pic of my 1C friends list in your sig?

And they call me the troll! LOL!

Yes sorry about that, I let you get to me for 3 seconds :)

No problem.. I know it can be hard on some folks to find out that something they held to be true for so long is not true.. So lets move on now that we all can see that 1C/UBI never advertised CoD as a DX11 capable game! S!

DX11? What are you on about? I never asked about DX11 in CoD, don't have a DX11 capable card, and have no interest in DX11 in CoD...

Ah sorry, my bad, I just assumed that since you felt the need to chime in wrt me pointing out 1C/UBI never advertised CoD as a DX11 capable game that you were interested.. I see now it was just a case that 'I got to you' on something else and you just saw this as an opertunity to chime in (troll) and nothing more

Thank you, I accept your apology. This sure is a special forum filled with special people.

Your welcome!

Agreed 100%

Perhaps you don't quite realize it yet but your signature pretty much puts you in that category, as every man and his dog knows that a spit is faster than a hurri :P

LOL!
And they call me the troll!

Yes

You have done nothing but make worthless jibberish since I asked for on topic discussion.

I'm not shutting the thread down for you, delete your postings and either get on topic or find something else to do. Don't think I'm not being a nice guy you deserve a ban.

hurray for nearmiss!!!!

So.. let me see if I understand you..

Several people in this thread have made references to CoD not being DX11 capable..

At which point I took the time to do the research on the issue and found the source of confusion and posted it here..

And for that I should be banned?

As for 'getting on topic' I don't claim to know what the 'topic' of this thread was, is, or should be. I assume this thread is like most, where they start off in one direction and changes direction many times within the thread. Even you have to admit, the 'title' seems pretty open ended! ;)

I did NOT just post the DX11 info out of the blue, it was based on other posts in this thread about DX11 capabilities. Thus if the topic of CoD being DX11 capable is 'off topic' than the post I replied to in this thread was all ready 'off topic' and that is somehow my fault?

I think not, but, I will respect your 'interpretation' of the 'topic' of this thread and not post anything else wrt CoD being advertised as being DX11 capable.

Ill start my own thread on the subject

Will that work for you?

Ubisoft continues to this day to advertise DX 11 support:

• New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe.

http://pressextranet.ubisoft.com/EME...LIFFS+OF+DOVER


The Best of Technology for Ultimate Realism New 3D engine – Latest-gen graphics engine with DX10 and DX11 API support. Huge variety of photorealistic ground vehicles, buildings and other environmental elements recreate minute details of 1940s Europe.

http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o...res/index.aspx

I believe most people would take this to mean CoD is DX11 capable.

Who cares DX11, DX10 or DX9.

After a box is published or ads are up it's a done deal.

Tree_UK established it wasn't DX11 months ago, and it was corroborated by the developer.

What we have is what we have, and all this thread has been for the past 8 hours is wasted chit chat about DX11 not being in the COD.

Spamming... AOA you darn right, shut down your condescending attitude and cooperate. Everyone is trying to get along, and it won't hurt for you to give it a try as well.

+1 nearmiss

Finally..

AoA you may think your being smart and are helping people, your not and as soon as you realise and understand that the better..

Starting a 'for the whiners' thread does what for this place exactly?? Or do you think that helps too?

Finding out info right or wrong and posting it doesn't mean your not being a complete Troll or you are not spamming or you are not trying to bait an argument.

Hope you understand

I simply collated all the threads with "where's the patch" and "when's "X" feature going to work, and "whys this not working" etc etc.

As the forum was splattered with these types of posts everywhere.

If you see it as a whiners thread it was not intended that way but the usual suspects turned it into exactly that.

Or we could delete all questions or whines (negative posts) at source, then the conspiracy theorists all turn up.

If people here cant respect this threads intention and continue to spam it or chew over the same old whine, then I will close it.

This Thread is as depressing as most, particularly the DX11 arguments (which we all know is not on the DVD box).

Some people seem to have missed the fact that Tree started all this in this post
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...&postcount=308
where he infers that MG promised to deliver DX11 features. Now why did he do that?

Unfortunatley AoA, in his attempts to explain DX11 feature levels, and how it can be available in CoD in the future if MG decide to go that way, allowed himself to fall for Trees goading and got drawn into lengthy arguments.

Result? AoA gets trashed by many others who are just as responsible for the drawn out argument as he is. He is bound to respond to posts that condemn his arguments, just as anyone would. And who slips quietly back onside.................?

Hes been warned thats all the matters

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27745

Clue is in the title... My point you highlighted still stands and is directed at THIS thread..

Let me know how this pans out anyway... I have a life to get on with

Seems everytime I visit here AoA is in the middle of some horsesh*te row

Oooooops, Ive been rumbled.

lol tree

more fun than a soap :D

Just in case you missed it :)

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=27926

Some people seem to realize that their only reason to post is vaporating.

Pleeaase
 

Give us the next patch so i am FINALLY ONCE AND FOR ALL released from this darn biased modeled Rise of Flight.

Winger

Patience sir.. When the patch is out it will be so sweet!

=2 Weeks= :arrow::wink:

pathetic

I'll be happy with even just small steps forward over the next 10 or so years! Evolution not revolution Baby! ;)

player: i'm getting bored of IL-2 1946, release BOB SOW NOW!

*pickets form across the world, internet slows down b/c crash 4chan and all other forums wanting the early release

1c: BOB SOW is now BOB CLOB.

1c english ninja: BOB SOW is now IL2 BOB CLOD.
ubisoft: Mew announcement haz release cheesburger IL-2 BOB CLOD
unisoft forumite: waat, no sekwal? IL-2 Bob CLod, restart?

euro / Russia / east asia players: 'this game crashes' can't get it to play. I wasted money on the collectors, the only thing that works is the manual and the map!

player: w00t! release in 2 weeks, time to buy kick 455 system, inverted twelve core, 16 (job mon!) gig ram Soundblaster Orifice 1 tetra, ATI Forumula 1, with 22000 raptor HDD . . .

player: this game CTD, blue screens, crashes, freezes. I can play crysis 3, Modern Warfare 6, DCS Whiteshark, Resistance 7, final fantasy CVX, Doom X, Duke Nukem Forever and a half . . . whuuut!? I can even play MS Flightsim 2K and IL 1946 with all mods at once. But not this

graphics are a beauty that wont run on the beast (pc)

player: whine! WDY release glitch maestro so early, weeses hates you forever.

1c: you wanted it early! you didn't care how? now let us go back to draw this board for sequel, new best planes and sim.

update-> it began with the buggy release and patching of the great game,
three For Allied Kings immortal and wisest - Seven For The German Lords great minds and craftsman of planes - Nine For The Soviet Men who above all else desire power - One For The blackhole sun - And None For Gretchen Whiners, Bye


:o

Lookin forward to new patch, wouldnt hurt if they threw in a few sweeteners .. ...
http://www.buckdenpike.co.uk/images/wellntn2b.gif

Friday Patch Update!!!!
 

Still putting it together. Feel free to assist.

http://www.google.com.au/url?source=...xGgv2tR7IrWrVQ

:shock:

He looks so sad :(

that is really freaky :shock:

Got me!!!!! Dang! LOL

hahahahahahaha:grin:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2.../banbutton.jpg

;)

yikes...my dog just saw that...now he's lookin' all sheepish ...

well he is a Border Collie...