your complete lack of being able to understand even basic concepts is absolutely stunning, are you just pretending to be this thick or is this the real deal of what goes on inside your head ?

the comparison being made was between somebody using the printscreen key to cause some lag online, and on the other hand the situation we have now with the il2 code being completely blown open so everything can be edited with a few simple cut and pastes, including the plane DM and FM, weapons loads etc..

you really cant spot the difference there ? maybe need to call a friend to understand that profound comparison ?


yes promoting the hacks is stealing from oleg, and using them online in full real servers is equal to lying and cheating. there is no clean end to pick up a turd, its always still a turd.

since you cant seem to understand what stealing actually means even after looking it up in a dictionary, just imagine if all the current on sale copies of 1946 had a sticker added to them saying "this game has now been completely hacked open and vandalized by spotty faced teens, whenever you use it online it will be impossible for you to fly and compete in a fair environment", do you think that will increase or decrease sales ?

and off he goes again proudly trumpeting his ignorance as if all logic and reasoning has been banished from the planet.

just in case you still cant actually understand the very simple issue that is going on here. nobody cares if you and your pocket pool playing chummies stick your 1946 dvd's in the microwave and watch them catch on fire, the problem is that the hacking of the il2 files and its widespread availability has also ruined the online competitive flying environment for many other il2 users.

ahh but thats right, you dont actually care about others.

your speaking in riddles, what are you rabbeting on about now ? if you have something you know, say it.

to be clear, you are saying the pro-hack kiddies are using multiple logins to keep advertising their hacks here ?

What,you don't understand that message?
Seems pretty plain to me.The only one keeping this thread at the top is you.And actually,some of the anti-modders here are in fact pro-modders,as if you did'nt already know that.Personally,I think you are a pro-modder,just here to cause trouble.And as I said (again) I am not playing anymore.Be as abusive as you like,maybe Evgeny will finally moderate this forum.
Bye bye

well if what uther said is correct, then jasonbird keeps posting just to advertise the hacks in olegs forum, so dont expect any logic or understanding from him.

Evgeny should dropkick the lot of them back over the fence and ban any advertising of hacks, the hack-kiddie post's sole purpose is to ruin the sim and vandalize olegs work.

you've gone into lala cookoo land now. i only have one login here

ehumm and you yourself already said you have several names you use for login here , which isnt allowed under the forum rules, but that doesnt seem to bother you.

which is not surprising from somebody who pays the hackers, who'd expect you to stick to any other rules eh

big accusations for somebody sitting miles away behind a computer screen in their bedroom.

prove it sunshine, or get back under your rock.

i only have one login here, and from the beginning i have had only one standpoint in this forum, which is that all this recent hack nonsense is ruining a great flightsim for those that are interested in fair play in a full real competitive online environment with other people from around the world.

i think it is also extremely rude of the hack kiddies to come here to olegs forum and advertise its use, how do you think oleg feels about his hard work being vandalized and destroyed in a few months. do you think this is what gives him the motivation to keep improving the sim and make it better ? do you think he can like magic assign a programmer to try and close the loopholes again and not loose any manpower for his work on BoB ? what are you prepared not to have included in BoB for the privilege of having the hack loophole closed again ? a few planes, maybe no dynamic campaign, whats your price uther ? or you think it all comes for free like mothers milk while you are in the crib ? or maybe the few grey cells you have think that the hack loophole shouldnt be closed, and for the next 9 months till we get BoB the full real competitive users should just go and do something else because that is more convenient for you. dont bother answering, i already know that whatever you'll answer will be selfish again, and wont provide any real solutions.

and this specific thread was started because a small group of the hack kiddies kept pretending it was impossible to use any of the hacks online, and that cheating was impossible.

the contrary has been amply proven by myself and a few others with numerous examples, and other than grounhog-boy who seems to have the attention span of a goldfish, the rest of the hack-kiddies have now migrated their argument to being "well we dont give a flying fu** about those that want to use il2 online in a full real setting", as long as they can create their franken planes and a few maps for their own selfish purpose.

I have read a few of the threads here now,and you zapitista are by far the most abusive member on this forum. i completely dis agree wit the hack,but you do your argument no favors with your abusiv posts. :(

i am quite able to discuss things in a normal civilized manner when that is the level of communication that is happening.

but that is not the case here, it is a small group of hack kiddies who are deliberately advertising the hacks in olegs own forum, and after initially pretending it wasnt possible to use them online, they now quite openly say they dont mind ruining the sim for the rest of us.

so lets not pretend it is rain falling on your boots

What is 'rain faling on my boots mean? :confused:

So zapatista,if you are so anti mod,you will be taking part in the anti cheat trials going on at ubi just now? Strange,I don't see your name there.What name are you using at ubi? And you seem to spend a lot of time at the mod forum,and know a lot about how to cheat in il2 so what name do you go under there? Something to hide?
Yes I have 1 other log in name,with one post to its credit.If Evgeny doesn't like it,I will provide him with the name and he can delete it.
And actually,I did say that I was leaving this useless trouble stirring thread,so again:
Bye bye.
zapatista The thread was nearly off the front page so just keep bumping it occasionally with some more bile and insults.Thanks.

Archie, maby he is slightly less than civil ( i know i was), but thats propably becaus he, like i, are completly fed up with people incapeble of simple 3:rd grade reasoning. Fed up with debating with people who can only see right from wrong if they themselfes gain something from it.

Personally i just stoped arguing with some of those people.


And some people (id bet there are only 2-3 modfriends in here with a gazillion personas shared between them) who by theire own admittens uses several login names is in no way shape or form in the position to judge anybody just because he dissegrees with him.

Maby thats what some of us are fed up with, people who dont know when to shut up..and think before they post instead of just rembling on and on.

Can you apologise for fraudulently misrepresenting me?
The above quotation you have attributed to me is most emphatically NOT one of my postings.
I do not appreciate lies being spread about me and I have notified a moderator immediately.

If there is anyone here who is having trouble expressing themselves in clear and polite language without resorting to insults, name calling and flaming its you, so can we reserve the thick adjective for someone whom it fits a little better?

That seems to me a pretty straightforward comparison...one is behaving dishonestly to gain an unfair advantage over an opponent in an online stuation...and the other is (I think you can guess) behaving dishonestly to gain an unfair advantage over an opponent in an online stuation...obviously the mechanism is different...but the results are the same...Cheating...you are capable of understanding that aren't you?

Why is it rude for legitimate purchasers and users of a 1C game to come to the 1C forum and discuss it? Because they don't agree with you I assume...and you have already made it plain you prefer censorship over discussion

(though one suspects that if you continue using abusive language, insults and misrepresentations...the only person getting banned here will be you, ironically enough :) )

I suspect Oleg is very pleased that so late in the games lifecycle it is generating such interest...a surge in community support through continued modding and the maintaining of interest in the series until the release of BOB-SOW will suit Oleg down to the ground...Its far better for 1C than the game withering away on the vine for the next 1-2 years haemorrhaging users. Don't forget Oleg was directly questioned on the Sound Mod and he only said that he disapproved of the unfair use of Mods in Online play...

Oleg has stated directly that there will be no resources assigned to developing any change in the encryption and that no further development resources will be assigned to IL2 post the 4.09 patch, so how exactly will community modification impact on the development of BOB-SOW?

Cheating in anonymous open access stat-driven servers is solely the preserve of Online players...if the community has fostered a "win at all costs" stat driven mentality which encourages cheating, or it welcomes fliers who are prepared to cheat, then is it unreasonable to expect the online community to police itself, through stronger server administration, password restricted servers or a move towards more squadron based flying?

Please Jason, this interpretation is a total twist of what Oleg said.
He said exactly "I personally hate any hack that may damage fair online gameplay"
Which means he totally disaprove Qtim tools, and that these tools were made public.

And without Qtim tools.... no mod would have been possible...
I let you draw your own conclusions..

I suspect the contrary...
Oleg did everything during the last 6 years to keep his game protected. Generally nobody is pleased to be raped...

Do you think thats a reasonable comparison?
Or just ridiculous overblown hyperbole...

Just a word-to-word translation of a french expression.

So why dont YOU take the more mature route, and display that you're above it - rather than getting right on in there and slinging feeces like some retarded ape?

Come on - is it not hard to see people, that continuing to debate this bloody mod cr@p is no more than promotion in and of itself???

It would seem that the 'hack-kiddies' arent the only 'spotted faced teenagers' sitting behind their computer screens in their bedrooms acting immature...

poor jason, making such big accusations yet again not knowing what you are talking about, or even trying to think before you type and instead just japping on as if somehow like magic it will suddenly transform into something meaningful when you press "submit reply".

are you finding the internet a really confusing place ? not able to remember what you previously posted yourself in this forum, or is it that in the light of a fresh morning it now seem so silly and absurd what you previously typed that you are pretending it wasnt really you ?

oks, little steps now for you again, one at a time,

yeps thats your alter ego again, if what uther said is right and the bunch of you are one and the same. i dont really need to even look at the name, your irrational thought process is so consistent it really stands out no matter what nick you post it under.

yeps, another doosie from jason himself, one little click on it and you can refresh your memory. while you are rereading it dont you find it really odd you cant seem to understand hacking olegs sim is reducing the value of the product he made ? there is a track record for this with other games that were hacked and opened to b latent cheating. ahh but of course, jason cant see the relevance of that, why did i even think he would understand that point.


we got a trifecta ! a classic in jasons weird thought process, its a beauty. this time you dont seem to be able to understand that whatever hacks have been created can now be used online as well. just click again on the clip i quoted and you can see your own ignorance in all its original glory.

conclusion: jason said exactly what i quoted him as saying, but i agree with you its not something you'd want to be reminded of lol

try and keep your feet on the pedals now, you'r loosing it there.

where did you see me post a url here advertising a kiddie hack forum ? what i did post is several youtube video links, and listed evidence on the existence of a bunch of hacks that other users cant confirm as being used online by making video tracks (like franken planes, mirror hacks, altered cockpit visibility, edited weapons loadout etc.).

you find me a single post i made in this thread with a url to the zit playpen and i'll be happy to edit and remove it.

i find it funny tho that you and your sidekick's cluster of alter ego's are blaming the anti-hack posters for discussing hacks here. imo all discussion and promotion of the hacks should be banned from this forum, like it is on all the other main il2 forums.

you seem incapable of understanding scale and proportions, is that it ? so by your logic somebody stepping in a puddle of rain water is exactly the same as somebody falling in a torrential river, because both examples involve water and a human being ?

somebody pressing print screen a few yrs ago is very different from the completely open hack problem we have now, you really still fail to understand that ?

its already been pointed out to you here that you dont own the game code by simply paying 40$ to buy the 1946 game. you simply have bought a licence to use the game as provided at the time of sale. and yes you can if you so choose even physically destroy the single personal copy you have purchased, but you have not been given the right to edit, modify, or otherwise alter the coding of the program and then disseminate it online. and promoting its illegal use is equal to aiding and abetting in the destruction of olegs property.

and prospective buyers of a new program or sim often come to the official forums to see what bugs or problems there are, and once they see there is no way to fly in a fair environment online they are less likely to buy it. which is why anything that damages the sim or reduces its value is equal to stealing from oleg.


a car accident on the freeway generates "interest" from other drivers, by your logic that makes the accident a good thing. cant you see how irrational your attempted justifications are ?

most of the games that were hacked open subsequently disintegrated and collapsed, and several examples of that have already been given to illustrate that. ahh but jason, stalker and the noob cant remember one or 2 pages back, so lets keep spinning around in circles with the same discredited points as if it is something wonderful and brand new.


no your not paying attention again, several quotes from oleg have already been provided in these threads to show oleg said the exact opposite. and it isnt for you or your hack buddies to decide, if oleg had the intention or desire to open up part of the game to modding, he would do so himself (as he plans with selected aspects of the game in BoB)

err you'r loosing touch with reality again. what oleg did say is that after the release of 1946 there would be one major patch only because he was concentrating on BoB. since the slovakia maps were not finished in time for 4.08 (feb 2007) there was then going to be a final 4.09 with some minor bug fixes and the new maps.

its only some months after the 4.08 release that the whole hack nonsense started. that is the point where oleg made a few posts on the topic stating he didnt have the time and resources to keep trying to fix what the vandals were breaking, and that the hack protagonists didnt seem to understand the damage it would do to the il2 sim and the online game (which you clearly dont). oleg has made absolutely no promises that he would be able to lock the game again, or that he had the time and resources to deal with it. the closest indication of him even trying to lock it again was given at a russian forum where oleg is a bit more open in stating his views on the topic (i provided that russian quote several pages back ). and the fact there is no sign of a new encryption in the 4.09 beta is a very bad sign, making it much less likely that the final 4.09 will lock il2 again for online use.

did you loose any steps there ? at least try and keep the facts straight if you are going to pretend oleg actually supports the hacking and that it is to his benefit, which is completely irrational.


there is again whole logic steps missing in the string of words you are trying to combine into a phrase that makes any sense. you are now blaming the full real online server users for the existence of the hacks ? and in one sweep you then step to wanting all open online full real servers closed, and instead people should only use a few closed password protected servers with their squads, and all this because it is more convenient for jason to play with his hacks ?

this thread started with you and your hack kiddie alter ego's denying online cheating was possible with the new soundmod hacks, tho even in your own hack forum that was blatantly advertised and very openly recognized as possible. other soundmod hack evidence was also posted here how weapons and plane models are being altered and how this cant be blocked online, or is easy to detect.

your next attempt at justification was to pretend that the soundmod hack problem is nothing new, and that for years people had been doing the exact same type of thing since il2 was first released, pretending you fail to understand the difference with pressing a printscreen key to cause some online lag and the ramifications of a sim that is now completely hacked open.

and your last futile argument at least shows your true colors, you simply dont care about the people that want to fly online in a fair and equal environment, as long as you can edit whatever you want in the game for offline use. simple really, at least your selfishness is very openly recognized now for what it really is.

sure, great idea, and lets just see how long civilized communication will last

ahh you didnt even last a single paragraph before you started adding insults yourself, what a surprise.

so what do you think will happen now ? if some act like juveniles and get rude and offensive they shouldnt complain when they get a spraying back.

yep, and the hack kiddie bunch should all be banned from here, and any discussion of the hacks locked out. trying to compromise by having some discussion on it allowed is counter productive because of the blatantly selfish vandalism that motivates the hack supporters.

Yet you keep it going... :rolleyes:

Now Zapatista, first off - it wasnt an insult at you... directly. If anything - it is at all those who are continuating this stupid, irrelevant thread!

Secondly, you arent a Moderator - so stop trying to police everything to do with the mod's...

In addition, I think I should clarify for YOU that I am neither pro nor anti mod's.

Step back from your little soap box, and think for a moment: What good are you even VAGUELY doing? None - mearly exasperating the situation further.

Pro-mod, or anti-mod - it doesnt matter - as the fact is well and truely MUTE; the mods/hacks are there - they arent going nowhere.

Calling for all 'pro-modders' to be banned is pathetic, juvenile, and unrealistic.

Simply put: GET OVER IT. Its old news, and no matter how much moaning, pointing, or name calling - they arent going to just pack up shop and run away.

the most sensible statement on that was made by ivan, who somewhere at the start of the 2 threads on mods suggested that the only positive spin on the hack issue could be made by giving some examples of how the sim can actually be improved with some of the edits.

some good examples of this would be the new flames from aircraft exhausts,new landing gear noise, new reflections and "shine" on skins, new fire and smoke effects, the new maps like okinawa etc.. some of these could be minor changes that can improve the game if they were added to minor patches. in theory there is a lot of talent available of people that have the interest and time to make positive contributions and then one of olegs programmers could spend a single hr of his time to briefly check those modifications for bugs, and then include them in a future patch.

the problem however is that it is not a choice of having our current il2 "and" simply adding some improvements, but it is "either" having the original il2 OR loosing all online full real competitive use of this sim after 5 years. locking il2 again for fair online use is not a simple act, it is complex and takes significant man hour time and effort, and it might not even be possible anymore so we will be stuck with total online anarchy for the next 12 months while we wait for BoB. and it is not for jasonvision or stalkerbirder (pun intended) to decide for the rest of the online il2 community how they can use their sim online.

then you should read what you type before pressing the submit button, because it is exactly what you previously did.

i'd say there is no confusion possible there with your insult being directed at me, even if prior to that there had been no negativity on my part directed at you personally to justify it. raise your self awareness if you are going to try and communicate with others in a meaningful manner.

:rolleyes:

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44 pages...

44 PAGES.. of this!?!?

The Zoo.. is back.

And ya'll talk about kiddie pimple faced hackers..

But there is 44 pages of just mouths running.

This reminds me of high school.

I feel bad for the Mod.

You have my sympathy evgeny

Evgeny should be back today from Russian holiday.Hopefully he will close/delete these threads.

sure, seems silly indeed, but lets have a look why it went that far.

it took 40 pages for the hack kiddies to be forced to admit that blatant and undetected use of hacks on full real servers was now indeed possible (with recent variations of the soundmod hack), and all pretense of it not affecting the online users had to be dropped. for most regular users of the full real servers that was obvious from page 1.

the last pages have just degenerated into them being quite open about not caring that it has destroyed the online game for full real server users, and that predictably creates a fair bit of animosity from those affected.

UBI was never this bad. It's not UBI's or 1C's fault. It's the folks who continue the diatribes and vocal fornicating that perpetuate the perception of UBI being a zoo.

I guess it's not the place, but the people. (I've been guilty on occasion too)

Zapatista
I understand your feelings and frustration.... but could you stop your "Don Quixote vs Windmills" fight?
... it's becoming quite boring for eveybody I think... and useless... since windmills are here to stay... there's nothing you or anybody else can do against it.

How about u do it the correct way and ask the "other" side of this issue to get lost or shut up (regarding this issue) instead of asking someone/anybody "defending" IL2 on a 1C official forum to put a sock in it.

Sound so much more reasoneble to me..dont u think? Or am i looking at it completly the wrong way?

Or are u scared people will call u insulting?


As soon as "they" will stop talking about soundmods/any mods in here this threadh will die on its own.


Its that simple.

I'm not scared about anything concerning forum behaviour.... I'm just trying to exit the useless pro/con usual name calling and to try to focus on real concerns.

Online real concern is online integrity... and people playing with whatever mods they want offline isn't really my concern. On a ethical point of view, I also find that "mods" are bad, and I don't play with them, neither online or offline.
But I'm not a moral moron, and I understand other peoples having other ethical point view, different from mine... and as long they can't force me to play with "mods"... I can ignore them and keep my play and my fun right toward my own ethic.

So the important thing IS the integrity of online play, and the only usefull thing to discuss about.
Mods are around and will stay around, staying blind (asking pro-modders to stop talking about, banning them from forums) and sticking blunt on the moral issue will have no effect except keeping open and undiscussed the principal problem "how to avoid player using unwanted mods online".... and is NOT a reasonable attitude (IMHO).

Intolerance never help in any case. Discussion about the problem could at least bring "pro-modders" to realise the problem, and to understand our concern, and that this concern isn't a claim of childish whinner.

Nothing is "that simple", there wouldn't be so much discussion if it was.

I agree with most of what u say,( exept the part where u assume that the modders them selfse will be the key to solving the problem and only if "we" say pretty please) but as Zap pointed out before, this and the other "sound mod" threadh has taken over a 100 pages to get the modfriendlies to relize ( yah, right) what most people with half a brain have known from the get go. (The fact that more than one mod has known what "we" known all along and still keeps fueling the fire doesnt help one bit)

It has been spelled out in 100 differant shades of grey from here till sunday and still it goes on and on and on.

Its starting to look to me like "they" are going to keep at it til Twilight Zone becomes reality or everyone says "yes u are right" or "pretty please, save us" even though they aint right...and never will be.


Personally im gonna remove myselfe from any further comments about the issue, since its like u say, no point.

This silly argument has been going on from day one and what has it done? You all need to just hush. You need to stop with the little kiddie chest thumping and poturing and if you can't talk solutions then you need to just be quiet.

What is so hard to understand about.. the issues at hand?

NONE of those issues are about any of us or our opinions... this whole issue at it's core from everyones point of view is about the sim... it is ALL about the sim.

So if as so many of you claim on both sides of this issue care so much about the sim then you need to pour your energy into solutions instead of rehashing the same old BS over and over.

Anhticheat measures are in the works... I have said from the outset that anyone who expects these mods to go away is crazy... it isn't going to happen. Anyone who expects those who prefer to fly online whether exclusively or part time, to just roll over and accept these mods knowing the potential for cheating that mods bring (since all modders are NOT cheaters... but most cheaters will use mods to cheat..) is crazy.... it isn't going to happen.

Solutions folks... some kind of app that will let those server admins who want to screen mods on their servers do so... and if they dot mind mods then the ability to at least screen out the mods that have so many shorts in knots.. those FM/DM/WEPS mods.. (Just because they aren't widespread yet doesn't mean they wont be some day.. fore warned is fore armed) that is the only viable solution. If you aren't talking about that then you really don't give a rat's @ss about the sim or the community.. just your own point of view. Smell that coffee people.

Bearcat, obviously your in the wrong place...This is the "Argument Clinic" :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

I think, that's enough, guys. It was a rather hot thread, but I think it survived usefulness already, so i'm closing it.